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Poles in Ireland by Peadar de Burca. They "turned their backs on a country that gave them"


Ireland4ever - | 44
23 Mar 2011 #61
Well, that's true, but Irish emmigration totally dwarfs Polish one. An estimated 80 million people
worldwide claim some Irish descent! That gives you idea of how many Irish emmigrated from
their country. It's as if 800 million people claimed Polish ancestry! Jesus Almighty!

Immigration into a small island nation of roughly 6 million is not the same in any way as Irish going to vast continents where they were crying out for immirgants. Look at a map of australia, canada, usa, how many times does Ireland fit into them.

Plus, we went because of the famine largeky and becuase literally we could n't feed ourselves...survival not greed like eastern european opportunists.

We went to nations which were made up of many races, we did nt;'t bombard small countires mercilessly and create crime etc and not bother to integrate. We made the USA what it is and also Canada and australia to a lessor extent.

What polish contribution been to Ireland, claiming benefits and committing heinous crimes.
Torq 32 | 2,897
23 Mar 2011 #63
they were crying out for immirgants

You forget one of the main destinations for Irish emmigrants throughout history - Great Britain.
They were so crying out for you that they were putting out "No Irish Need Apply" signs :)

I'm a dacint boy, just landed from the town of Ballyfad;
I want a situation: yis, I want it mighty bad.
I saw a place advartised. It's the thing for me, says I;
But the dirty spalpeen ended with: No Irish need apply.
Whoo! says I; but that's an insult -- though to get the place I'll try.
So, I wint to see the blaggar with: No Irish need apply.


Come on, Ireland4ever - sing along with me...

I started off to find the house, I got it mighty soon;
There I found the ould chap saited: he was reading the TRIBUNE.
I tould him what I came for, whin he in a rage did fly:
No! says he, you are a Paddy, and no Irish need apply!


The Americans were so crying out for you that they described you as "the scum of Europe".
The entire world was crying out for uneducated, hungry, half-civilized Irish peasants :)
Seriously, how stupid can you get? The number of Irish that emmigrated from their beloved
"motherland" is multiple times higher than the entire population of Ireland - tells you something
about them, doesn't it?

Oh, and please - and I mean PLEEEEEEASE, don't give me that famine excuse again. Was there a famine
in Ireland in the second half of 20th century? In 1970s? In 1980s? No, of course there wasn't; but still,
Irish, blinded by their greed, emmigrated in droves.

opportunists

Opportunists?

You must surely be talking about your nation. I mean - the English invaded you, slaughtered you,
treated like animals and even created those pseudo-scientific racist theories about you, depicting
you as monkeys...

Irish

... etc. etc., they f*cked you in every possible hole they could find, and what did the proud Irish
do? What did they do in response to the English invasion, persecutions and crimes? I tell you what
they did - they abandoned their native language and started speaking English instead.
Why did they start speaking English? Oh, well - you know, it was easier to get a job, to make a career
and all that. That's what I call opportunism - abandoning your own language for the language
of conquerors who were raping and murdering you - abandoning it for personal gains and convenience.
It would have been easy for Poles to start talking Russian (the languages are, after all, similar to some
extent) or even German, but we never did. You don't abandon your native language for the language
of those who murder you (unless you're Irish, then it is perfectly acceptable to do such thing.)

So, you better wait until majority of Irish starts speaking Irish Gaelic as their first language, before
you come here and lecture people on opportunism :)
Barney 15 | 1,472
23 Mar 2011 #64
Stones can go in both directions, sure a smart guy like you would know that wouldn’t you.

Just cos some twat types stuff about Polish people doesn’t mean that you have to be as big a twat as the scum who came to my city to fight then ran away.

the language of conquerors who were raping and murdering you

We are not talking about the Ukraine now are we. Unless you are talking about what happens when a country is overrun:)

The loss of the Language is very complicated like most things well over your head. It happened in less than a generation, if you think that was a conscious decision or lifestyle choice after 800 years you are as deluded as you are ungrateful.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
23 Mar 2011 #65
And,whats your problem with that? Why would we want to get to deeply involved in a continent that has rarely done anything but slaughter each other?
Torq 32 | 2,897
23 Mar 2011 #66
Stones can go in both directions, sure a smart guy like you would know that wouldn’t you.

Take it easy, Barney. As I said, I'm just giving Ireland4ever a taste of his own medicine.
If he comes to a Polish forum and starts throwing sh*t around, then he shouldn't be
surprised when a big piece of it eventually splashes on his own face. Law of nature.

As for the language issue - it is not a time, nor a place to discuss it honestly and sensibly.
It is time and place to throw sh*t back at the Irish troll who slanders Polish people and culture.
Surely a smart guy like you can see the context of my posting.
Barney 15 | 1,472
23 Mar 2011 #67
Surely a smart guy like you can see the context of my posting.

Yes I can only apologise and less of the smart:)

We were one of those families packed into a car who would stop to pick up hitch hikers often bringing them to stay in our home. The thing that struck me as a child was how similar people are and nothing I have experienced so far has led me to change my mind.
Torq 32 | 2,897
23 Mar 2011 #68
Yes I can only apologise

Nothing to apologize for. I'm sorry if my anti-Irish rant sounded all too credible :)

The thing that struck me as a child was how similar people are and nothing I have experienced
so far has led me to change my mind.

Well said!
giordanobruno
17 Apr 2011 #71
Hi there. I have a question. Apologies if it has been covered before. I am only an occasional visitor to these forums.
What do you all feel about the United Ireland issue? I mean is there a sense of how Poles living in N Ireland (occupied 6 counties etc) would vote if there was a referendum? Obviously it is impossible to generalise, but lets try anyway.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
17 Apr 2011 #72
Obviously it is impossible to generalise, but lets try anyway.

lol ;)
au contraire the possibility and ease of generalizing on this forum may prove to be a rather refreshing experience… at first.
giordanobruno
20 Apr 2011 #73
FlaglessPole
Thankyou for your reply. I see noone else has addressed the question. In your opinion is this because
a) It is a stupid question,
b) It has been covered extensively already,
c) I've put it in the wrong place,
d) They don't much like strangers round these parts?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
20 Apr 2011 #74
Its a stupid question because only outsiders seem obsesed with it,them and a few nutty extremists.
But,benifit of the doubt I will expand;
Those sort of questions alway degenerate into bun fights, plastic paddys from America usually chip in with bollox that hasnt been relevent since 1923, catholic poles reflexedly take the republican side and all seem to forget that plenty,a majority of Irish people dont want a United ireland......

If you want answers watch Micheal Collins and The wind that Shakes the barley....both shoit but mildly entertaining if you like simplistic boos hiss arnt the brits evil sort of stories,they seem popular around these parts :)
giordanobruno
20 Apr 2011 #75
Well thanks, but I'm not an outsider and the voices in my head say I'm not nutty.
I would not want to rehash tired old arguments about the pros and cons of a United Ireland. I was just curious about the idea that Catholic Poles will automatically support the nationalist/republican ideal of UI. After all, they owe no allegiance to Dublin and one could say they may feel part of the UK?

And I have seen those movies. Fairly entertaining, but maybe not gospel.
scolari_ire 5 | 20
7 Oct 2011 #76
a majority of Irish people dont want a United ireland......

I agree. Things are good now up the north. There are no bombings and things are much quieter. Although there was a bomb found last week but these are just planted by people who are trying to cause trouble and use the Irish history as an excuse even though most people have made peace now.

The fact is that we in the south could never afford to take on the north, we are broke enough as it is.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Oct 2011 #77
Many a true word spoken in jest.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
7 Oct 2011 #78
even though most people have made peace now.

You call it peace. Some would call it complete and utter capitulation.
milky 13 | 1,657
7 Oct 2011 #79
The fact is that we in the south could never afford to take on the north,

I hate this pathetic argument that Fine Gael people(pro-treaty) always rant(even in good times) and then shrug their shoulders, and expect sympathetic voices and a pat on the back for coming a cross as 'all cosmopolitan and rational'.

The fact is that we in the south........
Speak for yourself, that "WE" don't represent me or a large and growing percentage of people in the south of the Island. The slave mentality eh.........
BBman - | 344
7 Oct 2011 #80
First they complain about the influx of Poles, then they complain about the Poles leaving;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Oct 2011 #81
Damned if you do, damned if you don't ;)
scolari_ire 5 | 20
11 Oct 2011 #82
I hate this pathetic argument that Fine Gael people(pro-treaty) always rant(even in good times) and then shrug their shoulders, and expect sympathetic voices and a pat on the back for coming a cross as 'all cosmopolitan and rational'.

First of all I'm not Fine Gael and never will be. "coming a cross as 'all cosmopolitan and rational" what does that even mean? Why? because I think the Irish state would not be able to afford to take on the 6 counties in the north thats me trying to be all cosmopolitan?

Im not looking at it from a political point of view, i'm looking at it from a purely economic view.

Michael Somers said that Northern Ireland costs England 8 billion pounds a year and get nothing back from its exchequer! So if England decided to give back the 6 counties the North of Ireland would be in the Red by 8 billion a year.

So do you think "We" the Irish people who would foot the bill, can afford this?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
11 Oct 2011 #83
It is the Irish that have to build Ireland the most, not the Poles. The Poles covered many bases and thus left the way open for Irish folk to expand the Irish Celtic Tiger. However, the bubble burst and it was largely through overspending, not anything that Poles did. Poles gave to the country and took sth back. See it as a souvenir in paper form ;) ;)
scolari_ire 5 | 20
11 Oct 2011 #84
You call it peace. Some would call it complete and utter capitulation.

Yea I agree with that, if I was around at the time of the treaty I would have strongly gone against it !!

When I say peace I mean no more of the killings of both Catholics and protestants innocent people who are just trying to get on with their lives.

So I think it was capitulation at the time of the treaty but not in the past few years.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
11 Oct 2011 #85
Great post, scolari.

So, do you agree with Burca's statement or? I'm interested as I take it you live in Ireland.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
11 Oct 2011 #86
Ah feck. Just noticed that Ireland4ever is still around.

Note to other posters:

HE IS NOT IRISH! and is obviously a troll.

He was rumbled months ago.
scolari_ire 5 | 20
11 Oct 2011 #87
So, do you agree with Burca's statement or? I'm interested as I take it you live in Ireland.

Im actually moving to Poland next week :-)

I agree with some of the things he say but I very strongly disagree with most of it!!

"We can assume that one day 136,000 Polish people all woke up and decided that they had enough of living in a country where it rains from underneath as well as from above."

I don't think polish people just woke up one day and decided to leave, maybe im wrong but I think a lot of polish people came here with a set time line in mind. Im sure the rain helped a lot of people in their decision to leave aswell.

"Do you know that the highest rate of madness in Europe is in Ireland? This is a fact"
I don't know where he got this fact from, I've searched the internet and cant find anything like this.

"Dublin is the heroin capital of Europe"
I think he may be right about this one. Ireland does have a huge problem with heroin, Ive gone out with the simon community (homeless charity) a few times and the number of homeless people that are addicts is sad. Even during the day you see it more and more in the city, people just walking around like Peadar says in his piece "like zombies".

irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1111/1224283092990.html

Saying that we dont have the highest cocaine, cannabis or ecstasy problem in Europe, but I think and know heroine is the worst drug of all.

I dont like the way he describes these people, or how he talks about them being in "The Heroin Olympics?" These are people with problems that need help, they are forced into doing things that they probably would never have dreamed of before they were introduced to heroine.

He then goes on to talk about priests. I agree, it is sick what they have done to this country. Although it is only a small number of priests, the majority of them are good people, but the way it has all been covered up, all the way to the top --- to ROME! is a disgrace. But from what im learning this is not strictly a problem in Ireland its right across Europe. I am very bitter over the whole thing personally but going back to the issue of the post, i dont see how that issue would make Polish people want to go home. Most Polish people I know go to Polish mass with a polish priest so I dont see how its relevant.

"Why do these Poles stay in a country where they have to work a 22-hour shift"
I worked 22 hour shift when I was younger, regularly. This may have been the case for some Polish people at the beginning but I don't think so now, not from what I see anyway. I work in IT and about one third of the people in the office are Polish, all on a good wage and normal 9-5 hours. Some are team leaders. Maybe these are the people who he is criticizing for staying in Ireland?

"and live in a room they rent with 19 other migrants and a pig called Jeremy"
This is complete bull sh*t.

They should return home to a country where there are no dangerous priests, no crack addicts and where you have proper weather.
I think every european country has them!

I agree what he says about Polish women, I just married one. Out of my group of friends 5 of us are with Polish women. Irish women (no offence to them) and not known for the good looks.

"Most middle-aged Irish people think that Poles come from a third world country where the only food is baked sulphor."
Again, this is complete bull sh*t. Most of them know Poland is in a better off situation than Ireland, that they have better internet than we do, a better heath system, this isnt just my opinion, i think most Irish people know that.

"And yet, 180,000 Polish people still want to live in Ireland. I can't figure the reason."
They remain there cause they have good jobs and have made a good life there probably.

This guy is an idiot, being Irish I dont know what he has against Ireland.

Do the Polish agree with him, I must go back and read all the posts.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
11 Oct 2011 #88
It was a tongue in cheek article scolari - of course most of it is BS. Also, some grains of truth too as is often the case with these things.

One other BS thing that you mentioned yourself though:

a better heath system

...this simply isn't true.

I'm not saying the Irish system is particularly good of course - it's not, but the Polish system is worse in many ways.

being Irish

He isn't. He is just a troll who has decided for some unknown reason to pretend to be Irish.
milky 13 | 1,657
11 Oct 2011 #89
First of all I'm not Fine Gael and never will be.

I reckon you are! just denying to sound rational.
So, since when did you decide Ireland can't afford part of its own country? I have heard this so many times over the last 30 years....

Is this an inherited view?
Do you think, now that we are broke thanks to German banks and Neo Liberals,that we should hand over the entire country? Maybe some uneconomical parts in the north east and west?

Maybe the Greeks should partition up their country now that they can't afford it...Spain,,Portugal??
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
11 Oct 2011 #90
Its a stupid question because only outsiders seem obsesed with it,them and a few nutty extremists. But,benifit of the doubt I will expand

Have you ever actually been to Ireland?

a majority of Irish people dont want a United ireland......

80% of Irish people want a reunited Ireland.

And Torq, you're gettin a little red tick beside your name, in my little black book.

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