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Poles in Ireland by Peadar de Burca. They "turned their backs on a country that gave them"


JonnyM 11 | 2,620
12 Oct 2011 #151
So what would be wrong with NI folk voting to unite with the Rep of Ireland and leaving Britain to the Brits? If Scotland gets a referendum for independence then why can't the NI folk get one for unification?

Nobody's stopping them. Indeed they vote in NI every 5 years and can freely vote for a party which wants precisely that.

Though the latest (Sinn Fein commissioned) opinion polls suggest that a referendum among the people of NI would support the status quo. Even that 'side' who might be expected to vote for union with the south don't seem to want it.

Because the Loyalists outnumber the Republicans in Northern Ireland.

Actually they don't particularly.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #152
It would be a vote for NI folk, not Brits. Those under Stormont and not under Westminster, Holyrood or, um, the Welsh Assembly.

John, true. However, polls can be misleading as we know.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
12 Oct 2011 #153
John, true. However, polls can be misleading as we know.

Indeed, though this one was pretty decisive.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #154
Again true but I still believe in closure. If there is no common cry for it then the status quo can prevail.

Well, that's not our call to make, I-S. I do believe in the brocard, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. A fine adage indeed! I was talking more in principle than in theoretical terms.

Anyway, let's get this back on track. The EU created freedom of movement. The Poles made use of it and did nothing illegal by leaving Ireland.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
13 Oct 2011 #155
Well, that's not our call to make, I-S.

Yep!

I was talking more in principle than in theoretical terms.

I gathered that much, I was talking more in practical terms.

The EU created freedom of movement. The Poles made use of it and did nothing illegal by leaving Ireland.

Absolutely, funny like people who were famous mostly for their emigration proves up to early 90' acted so predictably European in their approach to immigration when the tables were turned and immigrants started arriving to their country.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
13 Oct 2011 #156
Absolutely, funny like people who were famous mostly for their emigration proves up to early 90' acted so predictably European in their approach to immigration when the tables were turned and immigrants started arriving to their country.

For feck sake - 6 pages and 158 posts later and it hasn't sunk in that it was a satirical article, a pi$$ take !!
Ironside 49 | 10,474
13 Oct 2011 #157
I understand that, my words are just a generalization, attitude common on PF.

However said satirical article is taking **** from such attitude you can find in Ireland.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
13 Oct 2011 #158
Says who?

Of course you can find it - you can find anything in any country.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
13 Oct 2011 #159
immigrants started arriving to their country

I wouldnt mind if people from a decent culture moved to my nation. People who had something to offer. Instead, we got people from the jungle, carpet butters, goulash eaters and other undesirables.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
13 Oct 2011 #160
Funny that you would say that being a yank or at least immigrant yourslef, go and slap yourslf twice, saying - time to wake up drunkard.
milky 13 | 1,657
13 Oct 2011 #161
Referendums, that's my answer

For sure, that would be the solution, I reckon about 70%(Fine Gael would fight tooth and nail against it) of the Island would vote for re-unification.

The loyalist could then join up with their brotherly friends in in Fine Gael.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
13 Oct 2011 #162
Funny that you would say that being a yank or at least immigrant yourslef, go and slap yourslf twice, saying - time to wake up drunkard.

I am no yank nor immigrant.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
13 Oct 2011 #163
You mean that you are just a lonely drunkard. Boy oh boy, I'm so disappointed.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
13 Oct 2011 #164
Yes, yes that is me. I am just like a lonely wee jew at Christmas. :)

You, on the other hand are one of lifes winners, no doubt.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
14 Oct 2011 #165
isthatu2:
Wow, talk about dragging up an old post for no reason SeanBM

This thread was the first thing that drew my attention after months of not being here, I was not informed this had become a chatroom and I had a limited time to answer.

isthatu2:
and what part did you disagree with?

1

isthatu2:
Its a stupid question because only outsiders seem obsesed with it,them and a few nutty extremists.

Simply not true, we had a civil war over it and most people have always wanted and still want reunification.

2

isthatu2: But,benifit of the doubt I will expand;
Those sort of questions alway degenerate into bun fights, plastic paddys from America usually chip in with bollox that hasnt been relevent since 1923,

I have yet to read such a quote but I haven't read the whole thread yet though.

I dislike the way some cave dwelling little boy who thinks he's a warrior chips in with inflamitary comments on the internet .
Anyone who was alive during the fighting does not want it back (except for a tiny minority that should not be free in society anyway).

(I'm a bit tired but just to make myself clear I am in no way refuring to you, just a comment from me)

3

isthatu2:catholic poles reflexedly take the republican side and all seem to forget that plenty,a majority of Irish people dont want a United ireland......

This has to be the most lame argument, shoving your head right in to the sand.
That somehow just being a Catholic Pole makes you take the republican side out of the blue and then you contradict yourself with a false statement that a majority of Irish people dont want a United ireland, so where do the Poles get any notion of reunification? all those "plastic paddies" in America?

Did you ever stop to think that Polish people (Catholic or other, as if that has anything got to do with it...) know what an occupation looks like? They understand what it means to lose one's country and finding out about the history of Ireland form an opinion?

isthatu2:If you want answers watch Micheal Collins and The wind that Shakes the barley....both shoit but mildly entertaining if you like simplistic boos hiss arnt the brits evil sort of stories,they seem popular around these parts :)

You are the greatest "pro-Empire" person I have read, which makes you quite interesting but that doesn't mean I agree.
Do you really think the sun shawn from the U.K's arse? Overlooking the racist despotism built on ethnic cleansing, enslavement, continual wars, illegal drug trafficing and savage repression, land theft and merciless exploitation and siding with the rich and powerful against the minority in their own country who were stripped of basic human rights? and just tell us how they got the locals to build shipyards and a textile industry and what a great job they did too?

No doubt things have improved, thank goodness but there is a long way to go yet.

I didn't ask if you were Irish, I asked if you had ever been to Ireland? I remember you saing something about your Dad being Irish but that doesn't mean you have been there and as you are talking on behalf of the Irish people, the majority at least, i feel the need to know if you have been or not.
milky 13 | 1,657
14 Oct 2011 #166
isthatu2:
Its a stupid question because only outsiders seem obsesed with it,them and a few nutty extremists.

Simply not true, we had a civil war over it and most people have always wanted and still want reunification.

and also, the British interfered with the civil war by (causing it) arming/organising and supporting the Pro-treaty IRA, who were a minority within the IRA.

The British basically promised to destroy the county if the Irish leadership did not accept partition. So, the whole thing was a sham and completely illegal and entirely against the will of the majority,so the problems remain open as it was never solved; just battered into the ground and swept under the carpet.

Of course with the collapse of major industry in Belfast since,the British would easily part with the north but they made such a mess of it with their peace and civilising ways.

Please, get back on topic. Thank you.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Oct 2011 #167
You are the greatest "pro-Empire" person I have read,

Quite simply bollox. But, I will not pretend to swallow the modern revisionist bull **** that swamps Britain these days.

I didn't ask if you were Irish, I asked if you had ever been to Ireland? I remember you saing something about your Dad being Irish but that doesn't mean you have been there and as you are talking on behalf of the Irish people, the majority at least, i feel the need to know if you have been or not.

Yes, and? Would a few weekends spent getting drunk and singing rebel songs suddenly make me forget how many times just I and family members just avoided being vapourised by some dumb boyo with a grudge? I dont ever claim to talk on behalf of any people....thats a terrorist/politicians trait.

All I can talk as is someone who grew up with bombs maiming and killing men women and kids every month,bombs planted by people with names like mine who claimed to be hard done by , I fcuking hate the lot of them, unionist and republican, all a bunch of fcuking psychotic dreamers. What gives Paddy in 2011 more right to feel at home than Billy when both have history going back hundreds of years there? Its total bollox and the lot of you ought to grow up, a line on a fcukin map is worth murdering un born babies for is it?

Did you ever stop to think that Polish people (Catholic or other, as if that has anything got to do with it...) know what an occupation looks like?

Again, complete bollox, one lot of irish "men" murdering another lot of irish "men" and at the same time murdering men women and children left right and centre, fcuk all like Poland. Were Poles murdering Russian civilians in Moscow?

Its funny, just like so many Poles you completly discount the fact that the majority in NI are " protestant" and a minority are "catholic". So, why should a minority have a right to decide the fate of the majority? Do you want democracy everywhere else but at home?

The irish were given everything on a plate, all the murdering scum bags are out on the street yet still its more more more,and how evil the brits are.

How many Catholic Irish point out to their admiring Polish audience that the British Army went in in 69 to protect the Catholics? My guess,zero, like I say, its the Hollywood/pissed up rebel version they get.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
15 Oct 2011 #168
I kind of agree with you. Minus some of the tone.

the lot of you ought to grow up,

Its funny, just like so many Poles you completly discount the fact that the majority in NI are " protestant" and a minority are "catholic". So, why should a minority have a right to decide the fate of the majority?

There is still a big "Oh the bloody feckless micks, fighting among themsleves, they don't know what they want - NI wants to be British etc etc" in Britain.

Washing their hands of the fact that THEY created this conflict. Yes, it was a long time ago and yes I've said it before, but with empire-building comes responsibilities and consequences. That's all.

How many Catholic Irish point out to their admiring Polish audience that the British Army went in in 69 to protect the Catholics?

Big issue here though - why wouldn't they welcome them? the military keep the peace don't they ? This, obviously, was before they had proved themselves to have a large thuggish, trigger happy and bigoted element.

For the record, I'm Irish and utterly anti all violence & murder - republican, loyalist and British military.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Oct 2011 #169
yes, tone was, again, OTT, and NOT meant to actaully be aimed at anyone on here...........
Hey, everyone is allowed a sh!tty week now and again...
But, short answer, TW@TS with bombs are TW@TS with bombs are TW@TS with bombs are.......
Teffle 22 | 1,321
15 Oct 2011 #170
Yep I know and agree.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Oct 2011 #171
This is one of those topics best discused face to face over a (non alchohlic) drink where its plain that the subtlties of tone come through that just are impossible on an internet forum.

If Im being called the biggest supporter of Empire I know for sure Im not making some points as well as I could in person.

If Im to believe those genealgy web sites without being too specific I come from a long line of bards so....mind, they are all based in the US and also said we were big kings untill the 10th century....:):)
Teffle 22 | 1,321
15 Oct 2011 #172
If Im being called the biggest supporter of Empire I know for sure Im not making some points as well as I could in person.

I know.

So, to keep it on topic (reminder above) I'll say it again, the original piece (back in...er...page 1) was a pi$$ take.

But, before anyone starts again, yes, probably there are elements in Ireland who feel like that. Just as there are elements in Poland who aren't happy with the influx of Brits, or who aren't happy with jews, or who who aren't happy with whatever...

I am fairly sure though, that that most Irish people have no problem with Poles coming to or, for that matter, leaving Ireland.

Of the 12-15 or so Polish people that I know well, so far, at least 6 of them have made the decision to stay in Ireland, bring up their kids there etc. They have stated that they prefer it here than Poland so, based on that, how bad can this supposed anti-Polish thing be?
Barney 15 | 1,472
15 Oct 2011 #173
But, I will not pretend to swallow the modern revisionist bull **** that swamps Britain these days.

That's fine if you were not indulging in revisionism yourself.

You talk of democracy yet democracy played no part what so ever in Britain's dealings in Ireland.
time means 5 | 1,310
15 Oct 2011 #174
Washing their hands of the fact that THEY created this conflict. Yes, it was a long time ago

Wasn't it the Normans who started it afterall they invaded first.

(This, obviously, was before they had proved themselves to have a large thuggish, trigger happy and bigoted element) quote

Complete utter bollocks!
Teffle 22 | 1,321
15 Oct 2011 #175
Wasn't it the Normans who started it afterall they invaded first.

The real problem started here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

Complete utter bollocks!

LOL - where do I start? The European Commission for Human rights would beg to differ with you.

What about the fact that the British army in NI killed more civilians than they did paramilitaries?

The Falls curfew? Bloody Sunday? 100s of dawn raids and casual beatings? Internment? Torture?

You're some laugh, you really are.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Oct 2011 #176
A bit of balance.
What the Boyos are proud of, if you want to jump on the bandwagon,fine,but just admit that you are a touch sick in the head.


  • attack on WW2 Vets'

  • IRA town planning

  • IRA town planning pt2

  • Evil Brit? Or irish child murdered by IRA?
time means 5 | 1,310
15 Oct 2011 #177
The European Commission for Human rights

We all know what a worthless organisation that is!

the British army in NI killed more civilians than they did paramilitaries?

Given the boyos penchant for hiding behind and using as cover civillians is there any wonder?

Bloody Sunday

Less than one mag on a SLR. Hardly trigger happy. Which anyone who has served in Ulster will tell you "trigger happy" you are not allowed to be.

As for torture, beatings etc check out the boyos first, they top the list by a country mile.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Oct 2011 #178
Yes, a very old man and a couple of children blown up while fishing, how brave....at least the muslims have the good grace to vapourise their sick little arses at the same time as they murder, your heroes RN all hid like little girls.....
Teffle 22 | 1,321
15 Oct 2011 #179
Whatever Time Means. I've no interest in discussing it further with you.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
15 Oct 2011 #180
Good days work in Warrington on a busy day just before mothers day when lots of kids would be out shopping for that something special.

and on that boat there was a bomb e i e i o

They used a bin this time....




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