Teffle 22 | 1,319 12 Oct 2011 #121maybe in 25 yeas all circumstances changeIt is possible (but unlikely) that by that time catholics in NI will outnumber protestants and then, possibly, it will be the collective wish of NI to leave the UK anyway!Which of course won't be straightforward either - even if it does comes to that.
Barney 15 | 1,587 12 Oct 2011 #122the way I see it they would lose economicallyI'm sure that's the same argument the Prussians, Russians and Austrians used.Remember you can't play half a fiddle.
time means 5 | 1,309 12 Oct 2011 #123The Belfast Telegraph is a Unionist and therefore right wing conservative paper)So all things Unionist are right wing tory?
Teffle 22 | 1,319 12 Oct 2011 #124I'm sure he means conservative in the broad sense not the party political sense.
Barney 15 | 1,587 12 Oct 2011 #127So all things Unionist are right wing tory?The Unionist establishment yes.Working class Unionists have benefited from policies driven by Republican and Nationalist parties. This is the story everyone misses the devastation of the Unionist working class and it’s ridiculous that the only people fighting for their rights are Republican Nationalists.
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #130I'm sure that's the same argument the Prussians, Russians and Austrians used.I mean there wouldn't been a financial incentive for British minority in united Ireland.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #131It's not about financial incentives, it's about doing the right thing by the people. A referendum is the only way.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #133I-S, are you having a laugh? You even quoted the answer directly after.
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #134I-S, are you having a laugh?you got me !:)Sorry Seanous but you are talking theory here.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #135Talking what is desirable for the people, yes. Frankly, it's not my place to say either way. To take it away from the people is merely to encourage global engineering and that'll only lead to further conflict. Lessons need to be learned.
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #136Problem is that people have different notion whats desirable for them and in this case referendum wont solve all problems.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #137That's very insulting to the people on that island, I-S. Please clarify what you meant. What, the politicians had their best interests at heart for all those years?
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #138Insulting? In what way insulting ? Thats the fact, some people wants unifications are some are against it and I doubt that referendum would change their mind.As I said circumstances may change in the next 25 years.
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #140You tell me:)To determine what the majority of people wants. The point is that many will not be satisfied with the result that doesn't please them.Not today.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #141What? A referendum is an expression of the will of the people, I-S. The majority will get what they want. Where's the problem??
Natasa 1 | 578 12 Oct 2011 #142I-S, what is a referendum for?Association, during law studies they lectured that behind any referendum question lies the same one.Do you support this government?What do you think about that Seanus about that? (they gave example of de Gaulle resignation after HIS failure on the referendum ).
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #143I see it more in the context of it being a last-ditch attempt to salvage true democracy before some EU goons decide everything for everyone. The Irish and NI folk need their voices to be heard. The EU has already messed them around over the Lisbon Treaty. Enough is enough.
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #144Where's the problem??minority.......... referendum in NI is not about opinion, its the question of nationality
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #147So you are stripping them of the choice for fear of an 'erroneous' outcome? Lovely! Are you a globalist? ;)
Ironside 53 | 12,420 12 Oct 2011 #148you clearly do not understand, in NI there are Irish versus British, and outcome of referendum will not change their standing on the issue.
Seanus 15 | 19,672 12 Oct 2011 #149So what would be wrong with NI folk voting to unite with the Rep of Ireland and leaving Britain to the Brits? If Scotland gets a referendum for independence then why can't the NI folk get one for unification?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,288 12 Oct 2011 #150why can't the NI folk get one for unificationBecause the Loyalists outnumber the Republicans in Northern Ireland.