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Poles in Ireland by Peadar de Burca. They "turned their backs on a country that gave them"


Teffle 22 | 1,321
12 Oct 2011 #121
maybe in 25 yeas all circumstances change

It is possible (but unlikely) that by that time catholics in NI will outnumber protestants and then, possibly, it will be the collective wish of NI to leave the UK anyway!

Which of course won't be straightforward either - even if it does comes to that.
Barney 15 | 1,472
12 Oct 2011 #122
the way I see it they would lose economically

I'm sure that's the same argument the Prussians, Russians and Austrians used.

Remember you can't play half a fiddle.
time means 5 | 1,310
12 Oct 2011 #123
The Belfast Telegraph is a Unionist and therefore right wing conservative paper)

So all things Unionist are right wing tory?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
12 Oct 2011 #124
I'm sure he means conservative in the broad sense not the party political sense.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #125
Referendums, that's my answer
Teffle 22 | 1,321
12 Oct 2011 #126
Yeah, we don't have nearly enough of them over here...

; )
Barney 15 | 1,472
12 Oct 2011 #127
So all things Unionist are right wing tory?

The Unionist establishment yes.

Working class Unionists have benefited from policies driven by Republican and Nationalist parties. This is the story everyone misses the devastation of the Unionist working class and it’s ridiculous that the only people fighting for their rights are Republican Nationalists.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #128
Teffle, meaningful ones ;)
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
12 Oct 2011 #129
The country is bollixed. It doesnt really matter anymore.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #130
I'm sure that's the same argument the Prussians, Russians and Austrians used.

I mean there wouldn't been a financial incentive for British minority in united Ireland.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #131
It's not about financial incentives, it's about doing the right thing by the people. A referendum is the only way.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #132
What would be the right thing ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #133
I-S, are you having a laugh? You even quoted the answer directly after.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #134
I-S, are you having a laugh?

you got me !:)
Sorry Seanous but you are talking theory here.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #135
Talking what is desirable for the people, yes. Frankly, it's not my place to say either way. To take it away from the people is merely to encourage global engineering and that'll only lead to further conflict. Lessons need to be learned.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #136
Problem is that people have different notion whats desirable for them and in this case referendum wont solve all problems.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #137
That's very insulting to the people on that island, I-S. Please clarify what you meant. What, the politicians had their best interests at heart for all those years?
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #138
Insulting? In what way insulting ? Thats the fact, some people wants unifications are some are against it and I doubt that referendum would change their mind.

As I said circumstances may change in the next 25 years.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #139
I-S, what is a referendum for?
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #140
You tell me:)
To determine what the majority of people wants. The point is that many will not be satisfied with the result that doesn't please them.

Not today.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #141
What? A referendum is an expression of the will of the people, I-S. The majority will get what they want. Where's the problem??
Natasa 1 | 580
12 Oct 2011 #142
I-S, what is a referendum for?

Association, during law studies they lectured that behind any referendum question lies the same one.
Do you support this government?

What do you think about that Seanus about that? (they gave example of de Gaulle resignation after HIS failure on the referendum ).
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #143
I see it more in the context of it being a last-ditch attempt to salvage true democracy before some EU goons decide everything for everyone. The Irish and NI folk need their voices to be heard. The EU has already messed them around over the Lisbon Treaty. Enough is enough.
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #144
Where's the problem??

minority.......... referendum in NI is not about opinion, its the question of nationality
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #145
What's that supposed to mean?
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #146
that referendum is not an answer
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #147
So you are stripping them of the choice for fear of an 'erroneous' outcome? Lovely! Are you a globalist? ;)
Ironside 49 | 10,474
12 Oct 2011 #148
you clearly do not understand, in NI there are Irish versus British, and outcome of referendum will not change their standing on the issue.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Oct 2011 #149
So what would be wrong with NI folk voting to unite with the Rep of Ireland and leaving Britain to the Brits? If Scotland gets a referendum for independence then why can't the NI folk get one for unification?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
12 Oct 2011 #150
why can't the NI folk get one for unification

Because the Loyalists outnumber the Republicans in Northern Ireland.

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