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First proper "Polish" School in the UK - The Next Stage of Ghettoisation


sa11y 5 | 331
21 Aug 2012 #181
I've known Germans and Dutch who live here, integrated 100%

Maybe they found a bit more acceptance?
polishmama 3 | 279
21 Aug 2012 #182
i'd never judge a person on their nationality but the generalisation is very clear

Do you read what you actually write? You just said that you don't judge people but yet make unflattering generalizations which is judging people.

Do you speak any other languages besides your native English? I can never understand how people who only speak one language can have such a... loose understanding of that one and only language.

these people and their "ways".

Wooooooooooooooooow. I am speachless.

United States 678,000

Most of these countries are English-Speaking Ango-Saxon nations

Have you ever been to the USA? Yes, we habla Inglés but we did bastardize it enough and blend it with the languages of the next immigrant waves to become our own "make a brit cringe at hearing American English" language, and rightly so. Oh, and in case you didn't know, we also speak Spanish, in fact, every school now requires Spanish as much as they do Science or Math, etc.

Also, please don't call creating a colony such as the USA or Australia an example of the British "integrating". Land snatching from the natives is not "integration", it's colonization. Which the Revolutionary War squared away a bit, didn't it? *ouch* And then, if I recall the great British Empire fell, did it not?

Anyway, walk around Chicago, New York or any other large USA city and actually listen, you will hear at least 1/4 of the people speaking a foreign language and they are most likely not tourists from a foreign country. Welcome to America, where we habla a boatload of languages and where we acknowledge that people who are prejudiced and make generalizations of a people tend to be uneducated, intolerant and are no bueno. Or, have you never visited here before?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
21 Aug 2012 #183
Maybe they found a bit more acceptance?

Its a numbers game. If a similar number of Germans or Dutch entered the country, as the number of Poles, people would complain about them instead. Plus, a lot of Poles get marred to non EU citizens. Then the non EU citizen can bring its family over too. Thus, you get a double whammy.
TommyG 1 | 361
21 Aug 2012 #184
Also, please don't call creating a colony such as the USA or Australia an example of the British "integrating". Land snatching from the natives is not "integration", it's colonization. Which the Revolutionary War squared away a bit, didn't it? *ouch* And then, if I recall the great British Empire fell, did it not?

This is my point exactly. There's a long list of other countries that also haven't appreciated this style of British 'integration', India for example.... Gandhi 1, British Empire 0

I'm assuming the OP is British, due to his unhealthy obsession with Poles in the UK...
LordFab - | 16
21 Aug 2012 #186
I think Polish in UK are integrated more than English people in Spain or France for example
The fact that Polish people have to work helps a lot as you have to interact with English people, following this you will go out with them spend time together etc...rather than sitting at home or at the local " Spanish - English pub " surrounded by people of the same nationality

In Spain really there is a English ghetto and Spanish people are well aware of this. do not tell me none of you have never been to Spain and noticed this ???

The only places where there cannot be a so called English ghettos are the english speaking countries for obvious reasons.
English people are not very happy to mix with other nationalities especially abroad as they refuse to learn the language.
Polish in UK are more integrated than English abroad for sure
Ironside 51 | 11,338
21 Aug 2012 #187
I'm assuming the OP is British,

The only thing that we can say for certain about him - he is a troll
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Meathead 5 | 495
22 Aug 2012 #188
The English in the States are integrated and invisible.

Unfair comparison, how many Czechs in the Uk? Actually come to think of it, the Poles are pretty well traveled. You'll find them everywhere, whereas the

Czechs, far and few between. I don't think Czech's like to travel, too comfortable in the home country I guess.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Aug 2012 #189
You think you're having a normal rational argument with these people then they bring in history to cheat . Couldn't make it up!

I'm not on about Colonialism. I'm talking about TODAY

Does that mean British people have a right to SWAMP Italy in 2012, because of the atrocities that the Romans committed to the native BRITONS????
poland_
22 Aug 2012 #190
(the town is very conservative and posh)

Magdalena, Essex does not do Posh, it is very much ' new money. The same misconception is made in Warsaw, your average Pole considers the ostentatious white elephants of Konstancin ' Posh ' when in fact the elegant or stylishly luxurious is in Zoliborc.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
22 Aug 2012 #191
Magdalena, Essex does not do Posh, it is very much ' new money.

There is a tiny seaside town in Essex that does do posh, and is very much "old money" - if you haven't heard of it, so much the better ;-)

BBC even made a documentary about it.
poland_
22 Aug 2012 #192
if you haven't heard of it, so much the better ;-)

Lol, your town - two churches one bearing the same name as your nick ' Magdalena ' Quintessentially British not Posh.

The epitome of Englishness is in the golden triangle of Buckinghamshire or some of the Thames side villages in my opinion.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Aug 2012 #193
I imagine any Immigrant in a normal middle class British town would describe it as Posh.

They all seem to enjoy living in cheap immigrant ghettos in the city.
This is how they base their opinion on our whole country. We are filled with folk from South Asia, our houses are horrible and old and we all have two taps in our sinks :D
poland_
22 Aug 2012 #194
This is how they base their opinion on our whole country. We are filled with folk from South Asia, our houses are horrible and old and we all have two taps in our sinks :D

Most returning Poles I asked the question: What is your impression of UK/Ireland now you have seen and worked there? Answer: I really respected the culture and history before moving to the UK, now I realize the reality is not what I imagined, British people seem not to want to work and they have it so easy. They could never survive in the ' Polish ' reality...
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Aug 2012 #195
Truly Bizarre. British people don't want to work? I suppose one of the largest economies in the world just built itself then? LOL
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
22 Aug 2012 #196
, now I realize the reality is not what I imagined, British people seem not to want to work

oh really?

I suppose one of the largest economies in the world just built itself then?

have to agree with you here hh much as that irks me
this kind of thing really pisses me off,

They could never survive in the ' Polish ' reality.

well obviously nor can the Polish, can they?
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Aug 2012 #197
It's because more often than not they seem to be attracted to the shittiest run down cesspit areas. Places where "career mothers" get their "free" social housing, where problem drunks and unsavory folk tend to stay.

Places where Pakistani/Turkish people can rent out their Council house to 10 other Immigrants.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
22 Aug 2012 #199
not Posh

Well, I think the inhabitants beg to differ...

And I still don't know whether we're talking about the same place, either ;-)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
22 Aug 2012 #200
a tiny seaside town in Essex that does do posh

lol Magda, do you live 'inside the gates'?
how can Essex be all 'new money' when Colchester is the oldest recorded town in england?
some people base their judgement of Essex on solely on TOWIE.
what's this thread about anyway *confused*
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
22 Aug 2012 #201
lol Magda, do you live 'inside the gates'?

Sadly, right outside them! ;-)

how can Essex be all 'new money' when Colchester is the oldest recorded town in england?
some people base their judgement of Essex on solely on TOWIE.

Very true.

what's this thread about anyway *confused*

Right now, this thread is about Polish immigrants being unable to tell posh from brash, living in squalid conditions ten to a room in an immigrant ghetto, and falling on their knees in awe when shown a suburban semi. That sums it up nicely, I should say.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
22 Aug 2012 #202
I wonder how soon we will all be randomised.........;)
OMG Magda I was in your town once!
what a place.....
imagine if a visitor went either to your place or to Jaywick....
they could have vastly different impressions of the country, and would report home accordingly...
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
22 Aug 2012 #203
There is a tiny seaside town in Essex that does do posh, and is very much "old money" - if you haven't heard of it, so much the better ;-)

hahah, F*****n on Sea....my mate lives there :) well,

Sadly, right outside them! ;-)

you mean the wrong side of the railway line......
Its not posh,just wealthy :)
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
22 Aug 2012 #204
imagine if a visitor went either to your place or to Jaywick....
they could have vastly different impressions of the country, and would report home accordingly...

LOL I can imagine!

Its not posh,just wealthy :)

It's definitely posher than some wealthy places I've seen...
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
22 Aug 2012 #205
it's posh alright^^
OMG jaywick..tumbleweed and banjos..lol
poland_
22 Aug 2012 #206
And I still don't know whether we're talking about the same place, either ;-)

Mike read was a former dweller of your town.

In Spain really there is a English ghetto and Spanish people are well aware of this

Both Spain and the UK have their fair share of sub existence dwellers, unfortunately the majority of them have the rights to be a ' British Subject '

well obviously nor can the Polish, can they?

So what would you do, if you got paid 5 x your normal salary?

Most Poles in the UK are migrant workers on lower level salaries of course they will gravitate to lower income areas...
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
22 Aug 2012 #207
OMG jaywick..tumbleweed and banjos..lol

When I was looking to rent in the area, I thankfully got inside info not to even consider Jaywick though the prices would be enticingly low ;-)
sa11y 5 | 331
22 Aug 2012 #208
Its a numbers game. If a similar number of Germans or Dutch entered the country, as the number of Poles, people would complain about them instead. Plus, a lot of Poles get marred to non EU citizens. Then the non EU citizen can bring its family over too. Thus, you get a double whammy.

True - but that only means that you can't fairly compare the Germans or Dutch to Poles - because of the scale.

Poor old Magdalena is a tiny minority arguing for the rest of the clan

No, she is not.
But it's all a catch22.
There are two basic things that Polish people need to be able to do before they get accepted in any local circles.
First, a Polish person has to speak fairly good English before any English people will accept you. This is absolutely normal - I work with foreigners from all over the world and know how frustrating it can be to constantly make effort to understand someone and communicate with them.

Then, once they made some effort and learnt to communicate, they still have to have some money to socialize with the English (unfortunately lots of Polish people fail here, either due to fact that they earn less or due to their priorities).

Unfortunately - it takes time to learn English. Polish people have naturally low confidence level, so unless they are comfortable with their level of English, they stick to their own circles - which makes learning worse. In the end, they stop learning altogether and don't improve their communication, which in turn means that their English will not be good enough for English people to communicate with them fairly effortlessly (and those even stand a chance to be accepted). This means, that they will continue staying with their old circles, establishing Polish communities and kinder-gardens etc.

Many people went through the whole process and are now at different level. Possibly got married to English. Have good jobs. They might be a minority, but I wouldn't say a tiny minority.

Another thing - some people see UK only as a place of work, not home. They are there for a year or two and want to return home. Sometimes they don't, but UK is still not seen as home. This does not encourage integration.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
22 Aug 2012 #209
what would you do, if you got paid 5 x your normal salary?

that's fine, I have no problem with it, as you might know from my usual posts.
it's the endless stream of spiteful comments (from some people) we could do without.
poland_
22 Aug 2012 #210
Well, I think the inhabitants beg to differ...

That would be an interesting thread Britain and Poland's "Ideal Village and towns". I have to admit there are many picture postcard villages in the UK. You just do get to see the same in Poland.


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