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First proper "Polish" School in the UK - The Next Stage of Ghettoisation


Wroclaw Boy
5 Aug 2012 #91
with $400-$600 flight and visa issues? thats just for starters. They can get to the UK for $60 and no visa, more or less guaranteed work too. That was a pretty stupid thing to say.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
5 Aug 2012 #92
Are the editors interested in a impartial debate on this forum? After all I am only engaging the posters true interests what is wrong with that? I will have to see and give it another go. If you were truly impartial you would delete the whole thread and not individual posts. So just to summarise my previous posts related to the true racist feelings of the OP, and I engaged him in a conversation about him remarking how supposedly smart the Polish people were, I informed him by stating that this was also the opinion of the British media by posting the following:

"Polish children boosting standards among English pupils, study suggests".

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9280815/Polish-children-boosting-standards-among-English-pupils-study-suggests.html

I also asked the OP whether his true hate for all things Polish was borne out of deep hatred of Britain's multicultural reality, and Poland's homogeneity?
MarcinD 4 | 135
5 Aug 2012 #93
Ultimately both sides of this debate are true & justified.

Unfortunately for OP, his Government is making these decisions on immigration etc based off of $$$. At-least English politicians are still somewhat held accountable, in America they hide behind gated communities. Poland was crippled by selfish leadership for decades & in many aspects still is. People have to realize that those in power have passports & it will be their cash/gold that protects them not a flag
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
5 Aug 2012 #94
hague1cmaeron,If you look in random you will notice that I've binned the posts that have insults,I am impartial.

You are not, because you have binned my posts without demonstrating how I insulted anybody. So in the interests of the debate, I would lie to see my supposed insults.
MarcinD 4 | 135
5 Aug 2012 #95
You want ghettoisation?

Williams after winning the Olympic Gold. Doing a gang dance ''Crip Walk''
polishmama 3 | 279
5 Aug 2012 #96
My lord, this truly is a thread showing anger and yes, prejudice! OP, I have no words for your comments on here. I am just truly beyond belief shocked. *SMH*
jon357 71 | 21,107
5 Aug 2012 #97
Agreed 100%. Expats (like Poles in the UK) network with people from their home country just like anyone else. It isn't 'ghettoisation', just normal human behaviour.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
5 Aug 2012 #98
I don't know, I'd call some parts of the Costas ghettos ;)
pam
5 Aug 2012 #99
My lord, this truly is a thread showing anger and yes, prejudice! OP, I have no words for your comments on here. I am just truly beyond belief shocked. *SMH*

+1
Speechless is a word that springs to mind.
However, HH has achieved exactly what he set out to do, stirring up the pot.
This thread will run its course, and in a couple months time, up he'll pop again with more of the same old.
More disappointing is that posters are indulging him,so we'll never be rid of this saddo who obviously has such a boring, uneventful life that he has to resort to posting c**p on here to gain the attention he so obviously craves.:)
Wroclaw Boy
5 Aug 2012 #100
Unfortunately for OP, his Government is making these decisions on immigration etc based off of $$$.

im not so sure about that, some say they (the politicians) simply got it wrong as in they predicted something like 100,000 Poles turning up but instead millions came.

Speechless is a word that springs to mind.

For you maybe based on your observations and experiences, i don't imagine you are affected by the immigration that much in your town. If you or your husbands income and thus life blood were affected you would probably have a different stance.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
5 Aug 2012 #101
I have no words

I do, but they would all look like this **** or ****** or ********..... :)
Avalon 4 | 1,068
5 Aug 2012 #102
im not so sure about that, some say they (the politicians) simply got it wrong as in they predicted something like 100,000 Poles turning up but instead millions came.

David Blunkett, the then labour foreign minister, predicted between 12-15,000 in the first year (2004-2005). Mind you, he did have a guide dog.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
5 Aug 2012 #103
I think he got the figures mixed up...
That 12-15.000 figure he was given was "How many English language *schools * with a *native speaker* have sprung up in Warsaw this year.." not, how many Poles will arrive in the first year........
Wroclaw Boy
5 Aug 2012 #104
David Blunkett, the then labour foreign minister, predicted between 12-15,000 in the first year (2004-2005). Mind you, he did have a guide dog.

LOL yeah, i think the official figure was something like 60,000 in total, boy did they get that wrong.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
5 Aug 2012 #105
I don't think how any sane human being could make such an underestimate let alone a politician.

We'll never know the true figure. The media and government always seem to lie and underestimate.

I'd hazard a guess the real figure of total EU immigration today is closer to 2million (Poland, Lithuania, Romania etc)
Avalon 4 | 1,068
5 Aug 2012 #106
Blair's migration speech:-

"We are putting in place a strategy - globally, nationally and locally - to ensure migration works for Britain today and in the future."

"The number of low-skilled workers that are allowed into the country from outside the EU remains small compared to other countries and is controlled by strict quotas - all of which we will now cut significantly following the expansion of the EU."

"No-one will be able to come to the UK from anywhere in the enlarged EU simply to claim benefits or housing. There will be no support for the economically inactive."

"When Spain joined the EU there were scare stories about economic migrants. Now, because of the way Spain has thrived in the EU, 300,000 UK citizens live there."

Just a few quotes from the classic speech on immigration that Blair gave in 2004 in the year of his re-election and the reason I gave up and left the UK. Not because I was racist, because I knew that I was going to be asked to pay for it.

If you want a real laugh, read the full text of his speech, :-

From 1 May, people from the ten accession countries will be able to travel freely and to take up self-employment opportunities in every member country of the EU - not just the UK. No country will be able to turn back residents of Poland or Lithuania or any other accession country at their border. In this we are no different from any of our European neighbours.

guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/apr/27/immigrationpolicy.speeches

Socialism at it's best. And the way the present government is performing, Labour will get in again at the 2015 election.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
5 Aug 2012 #107
1. What is the change that is going to happen on 1 May 2011?
The Worker Registration Scheme ('WRS') will no longer exist.
Any A8 national will be able to access income-based Jobseeker's
Allowance, Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit by signing on as
a jobseeker at Jobcentre Plus and meeting the requirements imposed
on British Citizen jobseekers.

migrantsrights.org.uk/files/publications/FAQ-rights-benefits-A8-May-2011.pdf
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
5 Aug 2012 #108
Which includes meeting the test for residency (which any recent migrant would fail) and crucially, managing to complete the JSA requirements.

You should know this, having been on the dole for years.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
5 Aug 2012 #109
Most Black people in the UK are 100% British Born and raised here.
They are my countrymen and belong here in Britain.

Why don't you admit that they are simply your relatives ?
pam
5 Aug 2012 #110
i don't imagine you are affected by the immigration that much in your town. If you or your husbands income and thus life blood were affected you would probably have a different stance.

Probably not as much as in larger cities,but there are enough Poles in my town to warrant polish food sections in all 4 of our major supermarkets. In addition we have 2 Polish shops and a Polish cafe. My town is just an average size seaside town, so yes their presence is felt here

All the Poles i personally know are employed in minimum wage jobs e.g cleaning,hotel work,farm work etc.No-one i know is lounging around on benefits,although i don't doubt that there are those that are.

By far the biggest local employer in the area is a large mushroom farm.90% of its workforce are central/eastern europeans.NO way do the English want to work there.This farm is in the process of recruiting new teams,and yes more Poles are coming because they can't fill the positions locally.This is not uncommon.

My place of employment for example,has a team of 15 cleaners.8 of them from central Europe.Plenty of English people apply and start work,only to pack it in a couple of weeks later.It just seems like it is too much hard work for them.BTW we are looking for a cleaning manager at the moment. We can't fill that vacancy either.

I am sure it may be a different story in other areas,but i do feel that many Brits feel the type of work the Poles are doing is beneath them,or simply too low paid for them to bother getting out of bed for.......

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OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
5 Aug 2012 #111
It only takes a few hundred Polish in a community to warrant the "Polski Sklep". Even in small seaside towns.

Normal people have come to this country for years and just shopped normally in supermarkets, shops and markets.
Poles feel they need to maintain their Polishness at every opportunity. It comes from their deep rooted self-shame and xenophobic aversion to trying new food.

Only Polish branded tinned fish, and Percil washing up powder is acceptable
Szlachcic - | 36
5 Aug 2012 #112
First proper "Polish" School opened in the UK. I might add, this is a proper fulltime Polish school, not a saturday school to reaffirm cultural links and language.

I am very happy for this news!!!

Congratulations to my Poles in UK!!! :-)
Bieganski 17 | 896
5 Aug 2012 #113
Poles feel they need to maintain their Polishness at every opportunity. It comes from their deep rooted self-shame and xenophobic aversion to trying new food.

Does you logic apply to Jews and their Kosher food markets or when Irish pubs open up all over Poland?
Szlachcic - | 36
5 Aug 2012 #114
Anyway, we native europeans and those of european descent make up just 8% of the global population.

United we stand, divided we fall.

We go it alone and we shall cease to exist in a century or two.

YES!

THANK YOU!!!
nunczka 8 | 458
5 Aug 2012 #115
Give them hell MarcinD..Those vermin that are attacking you are mostly Brits making a living in Poland.. If the UK is so great, then what are they doing in Poland.? London is a real shidt hole.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
5 Aug 2012 #116
Does you logic apply to Jews and their Kosher food markets or when Irish pubs open up all over Poland?

British/Irish style pubs exist all over the planet because people love them and our pub culture is known worldwide.
Quite different to a small community of immigrants needing some sort of convenience store close to home to do their grocery shopping,

Kosher food markets hmm.. I've never come across these.. however no doubt they exist in shithole suburbs of our cities, just like Halal. -
Is Pickled Cabbage a religions requirement for Polish people?

Really poor attempt at comparison and counter argument.

I'll give you some help though. Why once spotted a "British Supermarket" on the Greek Island Corfu. Albeit it was for expats, and it was the only store in existence in the whole Island.
pam
5 Aug 2012 #117
It only takes a few hundred Polish in a community to warrant the "Polski Sklep". Even in small seaside towns.

Normal people have come to this country for years and just shopped normally in supermarkets, shops and markets.

We have way more than a few hundred Poles here.
I won't even bother addressing the "normal people" bit.
The Poles i know do the majority of their shopping in supermarkets and tend to shop at the Polish shops for bread and goods they can't get elsewhere.Even the big supermarkets don't stock items such as potato flour, parsley root etc in the Polish food sections.

No doubt you would be doing exactly the same in the reverse position.
Wroclaw Boy
5 Aug 2012 #118
We have way more than a few hundred Poles here.

Your cities population is 70,000 you will have around two thousand to four thousand Poles among others - that's nothing.

there are enough Poles in my town to warrant polish food sections in all 4 of our major supermarkets.

I think you'll find thats fairly standard with Tescos and Asda in towns of a certain population these days.
OP hudsonhicks 21 | 346
5 Aug 2012 #119
What? On arrival in a foreign country seek out a "British shop", and if none existed open one up?
Utter Garbage.

I lived in Aus for a year after i finished Uni, also spent 5 months living around SE Asia. Not once did i want to find "British" products.

British food is boring anyway.
jon357 71 | 21,107
5 Aug 2012 #120
What? On arrival in a foreign country seek out a "British shop", and if none existed open one up?

Plenty have done that.


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