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Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12


southern 75 | 7,096
24 Aug 2010 #31
you don't know that..

I will ask her.Anyway just 14 and race mixing is not a good start.
plk123 8 | 4,150
24 Aug 2010 #32
why would you care?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
24 Aug 2010 #33
Yer all just jealous as usual, our girls are just so more advanced than yours.....even our microbial life forms are the toughest on or off the planet,get over it ......
vetala - | 382
24 Aug 2010 #34
12-year-olds are too young and irresponsible to care for children. They should have taken that child from her and let it be raised by a responsible adult.
A J 4 | 1,088
24 Aug 2010 #35
What if her family helps her? Oh, and..

All you have to do is to kick the little bird out of the nest, some will make it and some wont!!!

..do you mean adults like these?

:)
KateLouise - | 50
26 Aug 2010 #36
When i said i meant about abolishing benefits, i mean the system as it is. It is so easy to cheat the system, and some people pass this knowledge onto their children you are right. I'm not saying we should get rid of disability or job seekers as such, its just the whole system needs to be reworked into something that is solid and fair. As it is too many people make a life of benefits. Take this option away and what will happen?

Bring in a new system that assesses every individual personally, with a full team of social workers and healthcare proffessionals should wrangle out the system abusers. It might take more money and time initially, but it will lead to a massive decrease in the money spent on benefits in the long run.

Besides which its not as if our social workers are actually doing their jobs at the minute. Look at the amount of child abuse etc in these homes which goes unnoticed because they're too busy trying to sort them all free handouts. ;)
A J 4 | 1,088
26 Aug 2010 #37
Hey, Kate Louise,

I wholeheartedly agree. Just a sidenote though: Some people actually get stuck on benefits while they actually do want to work, but it seems some people don't quite seem to get that message. (Not mentioning accidents at work, handicaps, psychological problems, etcetera!) I mean, some people here sometimes make it sound as if everyone who's on benefits is living the easy life, or even that they always have themselves to thank for their situation. If only everything was so simple, but obviously it isn't.

:)
KateLouise - | 50
26 Aug 2010 #38
Of that i am aware lol. My brother who has never been unemployed before, is now stuck on job seekers since he left the merchant navy. (we both joined at the same time, his company went bust and all of them lost their jobs). He was unlucky he hadn't finished his training, so they packed him off on job seekers. He's applied for so many jobs, can't get off the bloody thing. He's done various courses with them, and has all his courses from being in the merch but part of the problem is that he can't get employed anywhere without experience. Very stupid situation.
A J 4 | 1,088
26 Aug 2010 #39
I'm even worse off. I had the audicity to study, because that's the only way I will get back to work. Of course here in Holland, you're not allowed to study when you're on benefits, so I didn't claim benefits. I have to study for one and a half year and then I can finally go to University, if they're not going to make that impossible for me in the near future that is! (Hey, let's stay optimistic?) I thought I would manage with temporary jobs and such.

Biggest mistake ever, but I'm lucky I've got a few loyal friends and family members. They do a lot to help me continue my study. I try to do most of it myself though. But you're right, it's really hard to find a job lately, and I'm wondering if all of that is really necessary, because there's plenty of work! But that's where the foreign workers come in, they take those uneducated jobs, which could help many people to make a start somewhere. (So I guess we're back to blaming our governments for letting them in?)

:)

I would rather see a solution though!
welshguyinpola 23 | 463
26 Aug 2010 #40
It's not just UK who has the benefit scroungers. My friend has just started teaching a group of people through the EU EFS project 'Szybki powrot do pracy' and these people are supposed to be unemployed. Most of the class consists of women who have rich husbands and dont need to work so on paper they are unemployed, and the rest of the class are stock market traders who have no job to speak of but still turn up to school in berand new lexus'. As benefits grow better in Poland, we are gonig to see the same thing happening here
A J 4 | 1,088
26 Aug 2010 #41
It's not just UK who has the benefit scroungers.

Posting your populist rubbish again?

My friend

Proof? Facts? Articles? Research? Sources? Links?

Most of the class consists of women who have rich husbands and dont need to work so on paper they are unemployed, and the rest of the class are stock market traders who have no job to speak of but still turn up to school in berand new lexus'.

Most people who are on benefits have no higher education, will never recieve any higher education because it's too expensive, and therefore, they will not be very likely to find a job, since society is demanding much higher qualifications. Most people who are on benefits did not choose to end up on benefits, and seriously, your rubbish about a few ex-stock market traders? Here's a reality check for you: Most people who are on benefits can't even feed their children anymore! You're just grasping at straws here, taking a few individual cases, (People who've been well off I might add!) and apply the same characteristics to every person who is claiming benefits? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous, and a goddamn lie.

As benefits grow better in Poland, we are gonig to see the same thing happening here

Let me spell it out for you in simple ABC, because even a four year old could probably understand this:

Higher benefits = Higher minimal wage = More consumerism.

I will explain the current economical climate for you: We have an upper-class banking society which is spending virtual money. The ultra-rich spend most of their fortunes on their own luxury and pleasure. Some of this money gets invested, but I'm afraid that most of this money only circulates in the upper echelons of society. This money doesn't buy drinks in ordinary bars, doesn't buy clothes in the average stores, and doesn't do nothing for average Joe and Joanne. Quite the contrary. Average Joe and Joanne now have to pay more taxes for those who traded with their money, and I don't have to tell anyone they've screwed up big time. We all know that, don't we?

Benefits? Anyone who has a brain bigger than a peanut will understand that benefits are the least of our concerns. Do you want to know what subsidized Villas in Holland cost us every year? Nine billion Euro. Every year. I'm also paying taxes for that. Now we have a crisis, and where do they look for money? Exactly, they're not looking at the subsidized Villas. No, they're looking at people who already have nothing, because God forbid we look at our own spoiled selves, and our own subsidized Villas. Jeez, the money they want to draw from the benefit system doesn't even equal the half of what they could draw from the subsidized housing! Holland wants to tax working class with 18 billion Euro in the next few years.

Well, a simple calculation: If you get rid of the subsidized Villas, you'll have your 18 billion Euro within two years. You should know that most of these people can afford to pay their Villas without help easily, and those who can't, well, too bad, I guess theyre going to have to be content with living in a big house they can afford then. Is that so bad? 70% of the people can't even afford *those* houses. It shouldn't be our problem if some spoiled brat wants to live and spend above his or her own standards, especially not at the expense of people who didn't choose to be on benefits.

Thank you for reading. You don't have to agree with everything, but I know I'm making a very strong point here.

:)
welshguyinpola 23 | 463
26 Aug 2010 #42
Most people who are on benefits can't even feed their children anymore!

If you have ever been to UK, you will see that this is completely false. Those on benefits in the UK can seem to afford full sky packages, a car and a holiday every year.

How am I suppsed to give you sources? I can tell you my friends name if that helps?

He teaches these people everyday, they dont want to learn, they are just bored old ladies who are pampered by their rich hubbies. I accompanied my friend to the house of one of the male students in the group who is 'umeployed' for a grill. When we arrived we were shocked to see a large hous with over 1000m2 of land and new lexus in the drive.

AJ can't u see this is taking the p***
KateLouise - | 50
26 Aug 2010 #43
If you have ever been to UK, you will see that this is completely false. Those on benefits in the UK can seem to afford full sky packages, a car and a holiday every year.

Correction. Those scamming the benefits system can afford this. My brother and my sister-in-law neither of who can get work have a 2 month old son. (she was pregnant before he lost his job), and some weeks they can't afford to feed themselves. Despite wanting to work, and trying every fricking avenue going to get work.

Believe you me if he could afford sky packages, a car and a holiday then he'd have to be doing something illegal to get that kind of money. This month isn't the first time i've helped him out with food etc and put gas on for him.

He is very lucky he has me and my family around to help with this.
People genuinely on benefits cannot afford to live. My nephew is always looked after because he comes first. He is breast fed so food for him isn't a worry, but clothing, nappies and heating always is.

Don't be so bloody assumptuous and think they can all afford to live the life of riley. Why don't you try living for a few weeks on benefits, and see if you can manage with a young baby on £50 a week.

So fricking judgemental, with your paid job, and warm house, and food on the table every night. Get of your fricking high horse and take a good look around. Poverty is rife.
welshguyinpola 23 | 463
26 Aug 2010 #44
The arguement here is not about ppl genuinely on benefits but those who dont lift a finger to work but can seem to afford to live well. Your brother's case is tragic but how is it they are only living on 50 quid a week. Dole for 2 ppl would amount to 100 and child benefits etc.

There really are jobs out there if ppl are prepared to work below themselves ffor a bit. My brother just walked into a factory job last week packing pot noodles but will do anything not to be on the dole. Im not syaing this is the cas ewith ur bro, but some ppl put one app in, get it declined and claim there are no jobs.
vetala - | 382
26 Aug 2010 #45
What if her family helps her?

No 12 year old should be forced to give up childhood. The youngest mother in history was 9, do you think she also should have put the toys away and start changing nappies instead? Did you miss the part where that woman said she's hoping that her daughter will have a normal childhood? This clearly shows that she wasn't happy with how her life turned out.
KateLouise - | 50
26 Aug 2010 #46
He applies for everything going. They basically tell him he is a) over qualified or b) under qualified. He has a lot of skills from being in the navy, but they are looking for inexperienced people who have been on job seekers the longest etc etc. His gf doesn't claim jobseekers. She was receiving maternity from her work. not sure why this stopped but it did. Therefore they only have one claim between them, and they won't let her claim js. She was meant to get income support, but something keeps stopping it. Not really sure why they don't get child benefits yet. but then again south shields job centre is really shockingly bad. He has tried for the most basic jobs, he just can't get anything bloody anywhere. Even macs turned him down.

I understand what you mean about benefit scammers though. It really irritates me when they whinge about lack of jobs and money.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
26 Aug 2010 #47
There really are jobs out there if ppl are prepared to work below themselves ffor a bit. My brother just walked into a factory job last week packing pot noodles but will do anything not to be on the dole. Im not syaing this is the cas ewith ur bro, but some ppl put one app in, get it declined and claim there are no jobs.

Your bro was lucky he lives in area where there are factories, some areas have suffered more than others..My niece went to look for some part time work when she was at college and there was a waiting list for the local tesco, they said it would be about 12 months! She did however manage to get 6 hours at Pizza Hut, you explain how a family could live off that?

12-year-olds are too young and irresponsible to care for children. They should have taken that child from her and let it be raised by a responsible adult.

They still live with their parents and dont actually look after the kids..

Most people who are on benefits have no higher education,

Really? Plenty of grads left uni this year only to join the ranks of the unemployed...Plenty of grads from last year are still looking too...So me thinks you are WRONG, yet there are plenty of kids with hardly any quals that have gone to work in the local supermarkets (if they're lucky)..

If you have ever been to UK, you will see that this is completely false. Those on benefits in the UK can seem to afford full sky packages, a car and a holiday every year.

Those on the fiddle, there are a lot that are living on the poverty line..its been well highlighted over here chick.

By the way we all know there's a problem with under age pregnancies in this country, kids are given advice on how NOT to get pregnant, not to engage in sex...There's a difference...As already stated by Kate its not just a problem that exists on council estates, its right across the board, its just certain sections of the public prefer not to have their childs exploits splashed across the front page of the local rag.
KateLouise - | 50
26 Aug 2010 #48
Its only the council house estate cases splashed across the media because it pays. They get a fee for selling the article. It also helps the media have a whinge about benefit scammers. I remember reading that story when it originally came out, they also covered it in 3 womens weeklies at £250 a pop. Lots of pennies going around there. And the page after that story...the family living on 30k benefits a year. They have been covered in the same 3 womens weeklies at least 9 times now. Everytime they have another kid they pay em for another story. It makes good reading. Google and you will see the family in question. At the end of the day the media publish what sells, and some pretty little rich girl whose family are going to provide the best for, with a boyfriend who may or may not stick around does not sell papers :D
vetala - | 382
27 Aug 2010 #49
They still live with their parents and dont actually look after the kids..

She didn't finish her education. This clearly shows that she was forced to care for the baby all day long.
A J 4 | 1,088
27 Aug 2010 #50
Really?

I grew up between them, so I know what I'm talking about.

Plenty of grads left uni this year only to join the ranks of the unemployed...

You should take a look at your population, and then take a look at how many people actually make it to University. I'm sure you will notice that there are way more people from poorer families who didn't even finish college. (Or even got that far.)

Plenty of grads from last year are still looking too...

True. But plenty doesn't equal the majority.

So me thinks you are WRONG, yet there are plenty of kids with hardly any quals that have gone to work in the local supermarkets (if they're lucky)..

If they're lucky indeed. It's easier to find work abroad when you're qualified though. But if I'm so wrong, then why don't you go and take a look in Barrow-In-Furness for example, and have a chat with some young people at the Drop Zone? I think it's not too far from Manchester. The unemployment, teenage pregnancy - aswell as suicide rates are almost twice as high there than your national average. A lot of young people drop out of school before their sixteenth.

I'm sure Manchester has its fair share of unemployed youngsters too. Maybe you should ask them about their education. You work for a media office, right? I bet you can do more research than I can, and I'm not disputing anything you've said here. Just saying I wonder why so many people seem to forget about their young ones. (Too busy with solving immigration problems perhaps?) Maybe even just the attention may help them a great deal already!

Ah, where's a Lois Lane when you need her?

;)
KateLouise - | 50
27 Aug 2010 #51
AJ are you from Barrow-in-Furness? That is where I am from originally. Now live near newcastle. It was Barrow youth clubs I was referring to. If you know of drop zone, you know of Young Cumbria. Well Wendy the boss of the Barrow area is my mum. Thats who i was talking about earlier with people of the four groves area which you should know off.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
27 Aug 2010 #52
AJ are you from Barrow-in-Furness?

Nah he is dutch ;)
KateLouise - | 50
27 Aug 2010 #53
Oh i knew he was dutch, was just wondering if he was living in barrow, rather than from. should have been more specific :D Just odd he knows about drop zone! :D
A J 4 | 1,088
27 Aug 2010 #54
AJ are you from Barrow-in-Furness?

No, I'm from Holland, but I know what the place looks like. (Pretty miserable, if you'd ask me!)

That is where I am from originally. Now live near newcastle.

Oh really? Well, I'm glad to hear you moved to Newcastle then, because I don't think Barrow-In-Furness has a lot to offer to young people these days.

It was Barrow youth clubs I was referring to. If you know of drop zone, you know of Young Cumbria. Well Wendy the boss of the Barrow area is my mum. Thats who i was talking about earlier with people of the four groves area which you should know off.

Sorry, but I can't say I know her.

:)

Nah he is dutch ;)

I can speak for myself you know. A-B-C.. Yup, D..

;)
KateLouise - | 50
27 Aug 2010 #55
Barrow is a drasticly dire town. There is nothing for ahybody in that town. If the ship yard was as busy as it used to be then it wouldn't be so bad, but its a working town and always will be. Shame the rest of cumbria is so lovely, it sticks out like a sore thumb :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Aug 2010 #56
Barrow

Isn't that also the name of the town ravaged by vampires in "30 Days of Night"?

Anyway, it may be just me, but I don't think that 12-year old children should have sex. What's wrong with doing normal child's stuff when you're at that age? I mean, friends of ppl I know gave their 12-year old son condoms to take with him to a children's party. I really don't think that's normal...

Unfortunately it's always the same type of ppl to whom this happens. I read a study the other day in the newspaper that said that about 50 per cent of the kids younger than 16 had sex before they even properly had kissed and that it was noticable that this was by far more often the case in lower social classes than with other classes.

And then you see a picture of the mom - somehow they all look the same: fat, kinda ugly girls with flat, greasy hair, face full of pickles; apparently somehow stalled for attention (at that age?) and giving themselves to any guy who blinks as much as an eye at them. I am not moralistic, but I think here lies a task for the parents as I hold them responsible for this skewed behaviour.

And besides all that: who's gonna take care of the baby? The mother obviously can't as she's a kid herself and has no clue yet about responsibility - this baby is going to grow up as yet another no-future and if it's a baby girl, probably get pregnant too before she reaches the tender age of 14.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
Crow 138 | 8,084
27 Aug 2010 #57
Britain is so backward. Terrifying backward country
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
27 Aug 2010 #58
Funny coming from a person of a murdering, looting genocidal country...
KateLouise - | 50
27 Aug 2010 #59
Please don't blame it all on britain. Like i already pointed out we are not all the bloody same. It is well publicized in my country, as opposed to others. You think this is the only place it happens? What about the US? and that silly pregnancy pact the school did!

And yes the cases M-G that you mentioned are well covered by the media, but its only because they look good to the newspapers. They sell the stories.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
27 Aug 2010 #60
This topic reminded me of this opening scene from the film "Idiocracy"
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