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jon357 74 | 22,204
21 Aug 2023 #331
society

Societies evolve. Faster than you may like, however there's only one organising principle in the world: change.

I don't follow the gender religion

There you go again with the same trash talk jargon about people's lived experience. One plus is that sort of language is essentially offputting to anyone under thirty. At least you didn't use the words 'woke' or 'brigade'.
mafketis 37 | 10,972
21 Aug 2023 #332
Societies evolve

Nothing about the idea of gendered souls ending up in the wrong meatsacks that then need expensive lifelong medical interventions to correct suggests "evolution" to me....

people's lived experience

Another religion I do not believe in! People's subjective experience is not necessarily accurate and should not bind other people....
jon357 74 | 22,204
21 Aug 2023 #333
suggests "evolution" to me....

The evolution of a society doesn't always work the way you'd like it.

and should not bind other people....

Bind them to what?
mafketis 37 | 10,972
21 Aug 2023 #334
The evolution of a society

How is the idea of gendered souls or 'trans kids' related to evolution? You seem to think you understand it but both seem like giant steps backward to me... a fair amount of trans ideas just seem like a new type of homophobic conversion therapy.

Bind them to what?

Believing them? Acting on their perceptions? An anorexics 'lived experience' is that her (much more rarely his) extreme weight loss makes them look better...

Do you think this person should be encourage to lose more weight?



jon357 74 | 22,204
21 Aug 2023 #335
gendered souls

Your phrase. Humanity is certainly gendered, isn't it.... And people outside the gender binary are far from new. Perhaps you'd prefer them to stay silent.

anorexics

Anorexia (in its most severe form) results in death.

And attempting to make false comparisons is a logical fallacy. And results in making your argument pointless.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
21 Aug 2023 #336
Societies evolve. Faster than you may like, however there's only one organising principle in the world: change.

Hmmm.....the same had been teached in GDR schools....that socialism is the future.....the progressive change which will undoubtly leave everything old, namely capitalism, behind....

You know? That was wrong....utterly, utterly wrong!

Not all and every change is good and acceptable....the vision that the youth will get used to it and every "old" thing will automatically die out is one of the most beloved errors of the global left!

Humans just don't work that way!!! When you can't get the majority behind you, you will lose...or you will need to build a dictatorship and rule your change with fear and death but then you will lose only abit later...

One could think they had learned from the failures of the recent past....but no!
mafketis 37 | 10,972
21 Aug 2023 #337
One could think they had learned from the failures of the recent past....

They have.... now they're working on brand new failures!

And people outside the gender binary are far from new

"Gender binary" is a religious term.

Now more broadly sexual non-conformists are certainly a cultural universal and among consenting adults, I mostly approve, they make life more interesting...

But I don't approve of medical interventions for minors, sexualizing children ('drag kids'), biological men in women's spaces or the idea that a person's subjective feeling that they are the other sex should be commercialized and/or medicalized.
jon357 74 | 22,204
21 Aug 2023 #338
They have.... now they're

I'd wait and see first. Gender reassignment is still very much in its infancy.

"Gender binary" is a religious term

It isn't though, is it.
Luke1410 - | 167
22 Aug 2023 #339
Transgenderism is just a lie built on top of another lie, homosexuality

I was very unfair in this post, the actual lie that has been swallowed wholesale is that recreational sex is pleasurable, the mountain of other lies that we are now being crushed by are built upon this false assumption.
Ironside 53 | 12,477
22 Aug 2023 #340
It isn't though, is it.

It is...is not science, it is fact anti-scientific, anti-empirical, anti-evidence...
It is based on broadly speaking - belief, if you call a religion, a cult or a pseudo-religious idology is only a question of your personal choice...
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #341
Trans this trans that, pronouns and all the other wokeism in nothing more than a mass mental disease. A minority of mentally confused people, and absolutely disturbed adults trying to spread an ajenda down peoples throats who refuse to buy this bull$hit. Just returning from NY last week, I can say the US in in deep $hit, and this leftist agenda is a cancer. If genetalia has nothing to do with gender, then how can the removal of genetalia "affirm" gender? Unreal that such cult like behavior can grip a segment of society so easily today. Thank god, this has not reached Europe like it has in the US.
Ironside 53 | 12,477
22 Aug 2023 #342
It is not a science, it is in fact an anti-scientific, anti-empirical, anti-evidence...phenomena.
Which is based only on - broadly speaking - belief.
If you want to call a religion, a cult or a pseudo-religious idology it is only a question of your personal choice.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #343
the actual lie that has been swallowed wholesale is that recreational sex is pleasurable

Why do you think that's a 'lie'?

Trans this trans that, pronouns

Get over it. There's not a thing you can do about it, despite your bitter hatred.

You've said nothing except how bitter you are with life. And meanwhile, what you stupidly call 'woke' is whupping your sorry ass.
Luke1410 - | 167
22 Aug 2023 #344
Just based on my own personal experience, it is clear to me that I seek to use others for the purposes of a more powerful adrenaline rush, it's ultimately completely empty, like heroin junkies seeking a more powerful hit to escape from the withdrawal of the previous one. The 'lie' that I refer to, is the false image we are sold via screens.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #345
Just based on my own personal experience

Your own personal experience that sex isn't pleasurable?

Perhaps take a different approach and a different level of respect to the people you're doing it with.

The 'lie' that I refer to, is the false image we are sold via screens

Hard to disagree with that, however I bet you watch TV, including ads. I don't (except for a show called Police Interceptors that I like and another one where people with OCD clean other people's very mucky homes). And limit your consumption of online news sites.

This thread is proof of how many weak minded and limited people are passively being riled up to feel hatred about people who are for example trans, or about refugees while some very unsavoury people make money out of them. A very skilled distraction technique.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #346
@jon357
You really have no idea what you are talking about. The woke agenda is being torn down. Keeping children safe from this anti family mental disease gripping weak minded people is excatly what is happening. Are you American jon357? If not when was your last trip to the US? To NY? Having just been there, and going there for a few days each month, in many different cities, my point of view is not colored by rose colored glasses or a ned to be a part of a movement.

I have no hatred at all. I feel sad for all these mentally damaged people, and for those that are buying into this bull$hit. There is no science behind any of it. If your little feelings are hurt because people object to the miltilation and indoctrination of children, then get ready for a lot more hurt feelings. The woke agenda is going to get a wakeup call next November. Kennedy, Trump, DeSantis, Christie or anyone other than the disaster Joe Biden will tear this woke BS down. If this Indian guy gets elected, then you will see some real $hit go down.

Weak minded people are those that follow these weak minded far left leaders. Who ever that is, if the label hurts your feelings, I recommend you take an IQ test, because obviously you think you are smarter than you actually are.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #347
You really have no idea what you are talking about

You always say that when people have a different point of view to you (and most of society certainly has a different point of view to you). Nor do you have a record of making good decisions in life.

The woke agenda

There you go again.

Kennedy, Trump, DeSantis, Christie

Zero to do with Poland and at least one of those shysters you mention will be behind bars where he belongs. In Europe, we don't want the toxically polarised politics that exist over there.

All I see in your post is the same old tap room trash talk from those who get angry about things they can't change. Just spewing hatred about those who are on the up.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #348
The woke agenda is going to get a wakeup call next November. Kennedy, Trump, DeSantis, Christie or anyone other than the disaster

I just hope the repubs won't bring Ukraine to face Apocalypse with what the majority of american citizens are feeling about social issues. ie drag queen story time for children. (let's face it drag is a stylised sexual performance since medieval times) and chopping of breasts of pubescent girls for profit, or $$$ puberty blockers, the majority of whom have experienced sexual trauma or are autistic.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #349
just hope the repubs won't bring Ukraine to face Apocalypse

They're more interested in enriching themselves while distracting others with manufactured culture wars.

Fortunately the under 30s in developed countries are digital natives who are harder to con.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #350
with manufactured culture wars.

BS it's real. I agree with trans-humanism, people should change biological sex, species race age whatever, gene splicing etc. but the technology is not there yet.

So why subject kids to it? Worse make money of it, lots of cosmetic surgeons making a pretty penny off a unproven ideology.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #351
@amiga500
The Trans or more aptly named "identity" movement since anyone can identify as anything today is a mental problem for the vast majority of people it encompasses. I would agree there is a minute segment of people that probably do suffer from some sexual or gender identity crisis. A small portion of people. Most though have psychological problems. Children should never be subjected to this. Parents have an absolute right to what children are taught and what books are in schools.

Why is it this LGBTQ movement gets a month, and Veterans get a day? Why do we have to have this mental disease forced down our throats? Be what you want to be, do what you want to do, in your own home like everyone else. We never cared until you forced it in our faces. All this movement has done is divide people.

But for you jon357, I call you out on your personal messgae to me. Particularly when you messaged me about civility. Then blocked me to message back. You are exactly what is wrong with America. You want diversity, except when that diversity has a different opinion than you do. Then you stoop to being a Karen and lashing out. Should be expected though.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #352
I agree with trans-humanism

Quite. That's existed since the first ape used a stone as a tool.

but the technology is not there yet.

It will be, and we're getting there. Remember that a lot of damage has been caused over the centuries as medical treatments have slowly but steadily evolved.

So why subject kids to it?

That's something that medical ethics specialists are discussing now (and have acted on in the U.K. at least). The issue isn't helped however by all the noise and vitriol on social media by those who fear change far more than they care about any teen.
Novichok 4 | 8,268
22 Aug 2023 #353
Gender is determined at conception and nothing can change gender from one to the other. Even God is powerless.
At birth, we determine and record genders - one per person. We don't "assign" gender.

Surgically removing the penis and testicles does make a man a woman. Removing a woman's breasts does not make her a man.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #354
damage has been caused over the centuries as medical treatments

hah now i think you've read Focault. ;), that ol pedo

ethics specialists are discussing now (and have acted on in the U.K. at least)

Kudos to U.K. Remember that USA and Australia are still 1-2 years behind. It doesn't help when the dems in America disregards the advances/reverses in England and doubles down ideologically.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #355
read Focault

Who hasn't?

Remember that USA and Australia are still 1-2 years behind

Your population's smaller and their medical system is for profit.

I still think all the noise and vitriol online about pretty well any sort of change serve only to distract from real issues and provide a handy smokescreen for the worst people to cash in. Those who push the online hysteria, often mentioning kids, paradoxically couldn't care less about them.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #356
Who hasn't?

haha now ure really being an elitist champagne socialist, i won't dare call you a post-modernist. 98% of the population has no idea who Focault is. o.k maybe 96% in poland.

"Oh wait is that some french name i heard in my bachelor of arts?" I'm tiktoker now" lolzo!
Novichok 4 | 8,268
22 Aug 2023 #357
Why is it this LGBTQ movement gets a month, and Veterans get a day?

I have been asking the same question...When is my pride month?

I guess normal white people should be proud of going to work every day to support the kids they made.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #358
often mentioning kids, paradoxically couldn't care less about them.

Except for the psychiatrists, GPs, nurses, psychologists in the system, screaming about unnecessary for profit mutilation of children, that has been documented by UK parliamentary enquiry and many whistleblower accounts around the world.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #359
documented by UK parliamentary enquiry

Well there you go. We address issues.

psychiatrists, GPs, nurses, psychologists in the system

Who were evidently listened to.

But hey, online crackers still bang on about the issues, caring less about people than their:own bigotry.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #360
Well there you go. We address issues.

The Poms do, through enlightenment culture and debate, where is the rest of the western woke world?

But hey, online crackers still bang on about the issues,

Like the leftist radicals in the 60s, maybe they have a point? (just this once)

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