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Being Transgender and visiting Wroclaw


mafketis 37 | 10,972
22 Aug 2023 #361
Gender is determined at conception

Sex, not gender. Gender means 'culturally bound stereotypes about the sexes'.... people confuse the two leading to all sorts of muddled ideas....

It is impossible to change sex. Stereotypes about men and women can and do change over the years....

There have always been people who wanted to socially live as the other sex and mostly they haven't really caused many problems. But now a bunch of medical hucksters are telling people it's possible to physically change sex (it's not) and those who in the past would just be heterosexual transvestites (another common enough minority) have found a way to force the rest of society to play along with their kink....
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #362
It is impossible to change sex.

No it's not. Haven't you watched Back to the Future? Where we're going we don't need roads?

But now a bunch of medical hucksters are telling people

The worst kind of scum. I don't mind making money of someone, but making money of someone and mutilating them too, wtf?
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #363
to force the rest of society to

Except that evidently you don't.

And yes, people can and do change gender. This will only become more common rather than less.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #364
Except that evidently you don't.

You're not getting it. With every new movement, there will be scum and hucksters that promise snake oil to get to the moon.
This is the evil capitalists preying on young lives you are supporting.
Novichok 4 | 8,268
22 Aug 2023 #365
The most useless person: a homosexual guy with AIDS who "transitioned" into a lesbian and now wants to go back to a "gay" man - all at our expense, including keeping his manhood in a freezer...just in case...

Sex is what you do. Gender is what you are. Doctors never ask how is your gender. Some ask how is your sex life. Duh!

There are two genders and they don't change.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #366
With every new movement, there will be scum and hucksters

Of course, one reason why public oversight is so important.

And that public oversight will also include protection. That won't satisfy the online screamers and nutters like the poster above, but so be it.

evil capitalists preying on

They prey on society as a whole and fools are taken in by scammers calling themselves 'investors' who want to make more money from someone's job than they themselves do in wages.

But hey, feather boas and sequins. Easier to get worked up about that than accept you're being robbed daily.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
22 Aug 2023 #367
Easier to get worked up about that than accept you're being robbed daily.

Easier for Biden to change his tune before he brings the whole western civilisation vibe come crashing down. obv it's a hot button issue re PAK post.

Imagine 4 years of Trump in 2024. Western Civilisation Over, just greed, Ukraine gone, Teach your kids Mandarin and goodnight and goodcuck.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #368
obv it's a hot button issue

There's little difference between those and online clickbait.

Imagine 4 years of Trump in 2024

Hell on earth. He won't stop the trans rise though, although perhaps it will be delayed due to mass riots and burning hospitals.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #369
The "trans rise". And that ladies and gentlemen is the label of a movement. A movement not based on discussion, or science. It is a movement based on extremem emotion and wanting to force people to accept things that they by right do not have to accept. Just as much as the "trans rise" people do not have to accept that straight or traditional values people want to raise their families the way they want. Again, all of these people pushing the agenda are crying for inclusion, until that inclusion has people with different opinions. The only opinion they want to hear is their own. Fortunately that is not how the world works.

The problem is the "trans rise" movement forcing it on people. There is an easy solution. Be what you want, where you want, when you want. Dont ask anyone else to accept or pay for what you chose to do because no one has to. Pretty Fing simple.

Now, if the "trans rise" thinks January 6th was extreme, I shutter to think what the United states is coming to if Biden and this whole mess is not swept out in the next election. This "trans rise" is not a global issue. It is an American one for the most part, and the difference in opinions of people in NYC last week and those in Northern and Western NY are completely different. At some point, the craziness has gone to far, and the far left agenda push will get pushed back.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #370
movement

That you can't stop.

forcing it on people

Is someone forcing you to put a dress and wig on?

It is an American

The world doesn't revolve around that one country. In most aspects of life they are well behind developed countries.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #371
@jon357
Forcing it on people is through forcing children to be indoctrinated in public schools. My tax dollars pay for schools. They pay for education, and not for the transference of opinions on sex, or any of the other created movements. Saying a prayer in a public school is called indoctrination and it is illegal. But giving borderline pronographic books to 8 year olds is somehow ok? Again, no one GAF about what you or anyone else does in their lives. Your hoices are your own. You have no right to force this on people in any place, public or private. Just as much as I have no right to force heterosexual education on 8 yr olds, or to groups of lgbtq people. I have every right to stand up for where my money is spent, and how my children are educated.

You always want to go extreme Karen on these issues. Like all the leftist cult followers in the US. Screaming at people who simply voice their opinion. Putting on a big show, when no one is interested in watching. "Hey look at me" or "hey pay attention to my opinion" or any other combination of words along those lines are what every wokest follower uses. So when those of us say we dont want to look, we dont have to look, and neither do our children you get even more loud and crazy. Again, its all about inclusion until that inclusion brings people with different opinions.

While the United States is not the center of the earth, it is the epicenter of this movement. It is the country that will shape where this movement goes. It is also the only country having this debate on this large of a scale. And it is the country with more mental health emergencies than all the other coutries combined. So, if you want to get behind a movement, make sure its one that is based on science and rational discussion. Not drag shows in schools, or the mutilation of children for profit.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #372
indoctrinated in public schools

You mean taught?

Perhaps you should become an educationalist. Although actually working in a school is obviously problematic you could play your part in influencing policy rather than ranting online.

I have every right to stand up for where my money is spent, and how my children are educated

As does everyone, whether they share your views, hold the opposite view or have a more nuanced outlook.

And it is the country with more mental health emergencies than all the other coutries combined.

Given the very low amount of time off work, the stresses around their heathcare 'system' which causes 300,000 plus bankruptcies per year and the stratospheric levels of gun crime, that's no surprise.
Luke1410 - | 167
22 Aug 2023 #373
I have every right to stand up for where my money is spent, and how my children are educated.

That's the thing it's not your money that pays for the schools, it is the money of big pharma, it is Nike, it is Mcdonalds, it is Coca Cola, it is kraft foods, it is Amazon, it is Microsoft, it is the Saudi investment fund etc. it is their money that pays for everything not the ordinary taxpayer and so they then get to decide what is taught. I'm sure their AI has showed them that there is a strong link between the amount of people who see their adverts and their ultimate profits and so their objective it to get as many people as possible to see their adverts. This means they will teach in schools what is necessary so that kids watch their adverts for the rest of their lives. Being addicted to sex is a crucial component of this as then we are then more susceptible to advertising, all it takes is an image of a beautiful women/man and we are engaged ready for influence, and the earlier you hook people the better. A barrier to the effectiveness of this is the Church and so why would they accept religious teaching in the schools if it hurts profits? They won't. You want all this to go away? Don't let your children anywhere near a screen!
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #374
@jon357
I dont see any rants at all. You though, are extreme in your opinions and expersion of them. I look at both sides of the discussion. The vast majority, both left and right, do not think this information should be in schools. It is a minority that wants to oppress the majority of people to further its agenda. You obviously support that oppression.

There is a difference between teaching and indoctrination. Teaching is done through approved curriculum that is made public before implementation. Not through drag show reading, and not through publication and access of graphic books to children.

As usual you avoid addressing the following of mentally ill people. You try to twist the facts to another political agenda and making a statement. When my point is simple. Following a cult like group with obviously mentally ill people, is not exactly smart political or human activism.

@Luke1410
While I agree with some of what you said, your views are just as extreme as the other sides. Fortunately, people and families who do pay taxes, will have a lot to say in the next elections. Those elections will be critical in the US moving forward. A failure to return to the foundations of what America was will likely result in a civil war.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #375
I dont see any rants at all

You've obviously not read this thread.

Not through drag show reading

Always voluntary.

a cult like group with obviously mentally ill people

Conservatives?
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #376
@jon357
Drag show readings in schools are not voluntary if parents do not know in advance and do not have to opportunity to stop them. The placing of pornographic books in 3rd grade libararies without parental knowledge is not voluntary.

Yes, forever Trumpers are also mentally unstable. His message though is now converting those in the middle and slightly left. The conditions in the US are ripe for civil uprising. This is a hot button issue, and when it comes to families, traditional values will always win. It is those traditional values that democracy was built on. Just a little food for thought....

What happens in the worst case scenario, that the US goes into a civil war? What happens to Europe and Ukraine then? Anyone thinking Russia is not drooling over this prospect is not really paying attention. Anyone minimizing this issue, hasn't spent a day in a rural US town lately.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #377
The placing of pornographic books in 3rd grade libararies

They don't.

His message though is now converting those in the middle and slightly left

They had four years of that loon and dumped him.

that the US goes into a civil war?

And that would of course be the fault of the rightards with their fake culture wars and sociopathic personalities.
Luke1410 - | 167
22 Aug 2023 #378
@PolAmKrakow thanks for the constructive feedback, yeah its tricky to keep a level head these days, but its important to do so if only for other peoples benefit. But yeah the next election is going to have to be a massive, massive show for the repubs to overcome the election fraud. The centre has completely cave in towards the republicans.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #379
@Luke1410
I dont buy into the election fraud. It didnt happen. I do buy into manipulation of the election. This wont be a republican statement, it will be a statement of the people. The far left is a minority. Take the centrists and the right and you have a big win. It wont be Trump that gets the nomination. I am liking this Indian guy more and more to win.

@jon357
Isnt it the left that is in power and creating the cultural war while supporting a real war. Not that Ukraine shouldnt be supported, but you need to take off these rose colored hillary glasses you are wearing. Sociopaths? The left is full of them. Term limits. When that happens, the whol game changes. 100K of debt per every living person in the USA with a SSN. How does a business with that amount of debt, and the largest economy operate? They distract with these kind of BS devisive measures and hope to god that idiots buy into supporting them.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #380
Isnt it the left that is in power

In your country? No.
In the country I come from? No.
In Poland? No.

hillary glasses you are wearing

There you go again.

How does a business with that amount of debt, and the largest economy operate?

A country isn't a 'business' (not that you're in any sense a reliable authority in business) and this has nothing to do with diversity or the safety of minorities in Wrocław.

It's just a rant,
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,014
22 Aug 2023 #381
@jon357
And you just showed how little you know about the US. The US is a business. Every State is incorporated. The laws are based on the commecial code. The USA and every State in the USA has its own credit rating. If you think this is not about business, big pharma, and special interests around the world, then I pity you.

The left in the US is essentially PiS in sheeps clothing. Government give aways on every street corner. I am a realist, not some idealist. I have kids and grandkids that these issues effect. Tell us all again how many kids and grandkids you have in this? Whats your agenda? And if this is not about the US, and its impact on policy in Poland and the EU, then why is it being discussed? Because in the EU and Poland, no one GAF about this, other than the special interests who need some kind of mission in life.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
22 Aug 2023 #382
less and less discrimination,

Seriously?

Homophobic Hate Speech On The Rise In Europe, Says New Report

rferl.org/a/homophobic-hate-speech-rise-europe-report/31106026.html

Even in Germany:

German LGBTQ+ activist warns over 'worrying' hate crime rise

reuters.com/world/europe/german-lgbtq-activist-warns-over-worrying-hate-crime-rise-2023-07-23/

The situation doesn't get any better but worse instead....if they want acceptance they are on the wrong path!

What use is a positive law in the parliament when they can't leave their home without fear?
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #383
Seriously

Yes, very seriously.

It's 'on the rise' because people report it and the police act, something which, as you know, never really used to happen.

The situation doesn't get any better but worse instead

It's getting a lot better since it was ignored before but isn't now.

can't leave their home without fear?

Crikey, has Berlin deteriorated that much so people 'can't leave their home without fear'?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
22 Aug 2023 #384
Yes, it has!

Millions of cultural muslims are continuing to move in....gay, queer and especially visible trans people better don't show up in some ghettoes in town....and it gets worse as the gov isn't putting a stop on it and doesn't even wants to talk about it....you have the choice between called "anti-trans" or "anti-foreigner", both of which of course isn't helping at all!
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #385
I'd add though that 5he OP asked about transphobia rather than homophobia.

And it's encouraging that people feel freer to report either.

don't show up in some ghettoes in town

I suspect that a massive chunk of the population don't "show up in some ghettoes" either...
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #387
That doesn't make much sense, does it...

You should probably look for a less silly meme. Humanity is much more complicated than that.
Crnogorac3 4 | 887
22 Aug 2023 #388
Here are some of the rich and famous people who raise their children as members of the opposite sex:

Megan Fox
Gwen Stefani
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt
Adele
Charlize Theron
Naomi Watts
Will Smith
Dwayne Wade

Why do Hollywood parents make boys of girls and sons dress up in dresses

woman.forumdaily.com/en/pochemu-gollivudskie-roditeli-delayut-iz-devochek-malchikov-a-synovej-naryazhayut-v-platya/

twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1690255606307762176

twitter.com/Marc_Escens/status/1666956607912292352

twitter.com/GarbiCommunity/status/844697717406416898

twitter.com/LovveYouAdele/status/700032300994531328

twitter.com/ShiJoliePitt/status/690079127072804864

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938233/Charlize-Theron-child-thought-boy-girl.html

people.com/parents/celebrity-kids-gender-stereotypes/

Megan Fox with her sons. It looks like child abuse.

q

Not everyone is cut out to have their own children, that is, for some it is better not to have them.
jon357 74 | 22,204
22 Aug 2023 #389
Here are some

That's just crap about celebrities that you've found on the internet, and a great deal of it inaccurate.

You'd not have seen such a list fifty years ago and in fifty years time, such a list will be much longer.
Novichok 4 | 8,268
23 Aug 2023 #390
Crn3, thank you for the best post of the thread:

If genitals don't define gender, how does removing them affirm it?

Good question...I have another one...

If God meant to create mankind in his image and for a reason, what was on his mind when he gave us LGBTQs?

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