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18 Nov 2008 #61
I love amatures talking about the aviation field.. haha..
I am pilot/mechanic in the U.S. again I love these conversations and complaints people make.. haha... Let's get some things straight. Polish airlines are one of the best in the world, if not the best. Look at statistics how many accidents they had conducting flights with comparison to many other U.S. major carriers. Yes the planes are old but are being replaced by the fabulous b787, my dream machine to fly in a few years :). I'm not a representative of any airline and can't say of how each airline regulates or operates certain things. Member Krakowianka cleared many things.. I do agree about the customer service problems they have and flight attendants something about that should be done. I've been flying as a passenger about 30 flights. The meals used to be horrible but recently they changed this and my last 8 flights meals were alsom as passenger, same thing with the flight attendates I believe the flight attendates had retraining and I see they do there job correctly. I rate the food 5 star+ polish culture background in some food they give. Yes I also enjoy the polsih beverages (Zywiec, tatra moca etc. mostly beer) Unfortantly can't try that when I'm piloting) :( because of regulations and mostly of course for passenger safety). Someone said "do they have mechanics?", no the planes are maintained and fixed by themselves.. Wow amazing what people can say or write?
Some things I would like to add about peoples comments:
sthatu:
I rate LOT, Flying back to Manchester our Pilot did a cracking,no fuss, mid air jink that saved us from a very near miss.
Me:
Did you see a plane in your sight approximately 1/2 mile away or closer? I very highly doubt, but could have happened because of crowdness in the sky.. Congrats to the pilot to act accordingly and expedite to the GPWS command (system on board to prevent mid-air collisions). yay..
tornado2007
To be honest as long as the plane gets me from a to b with a little comfort i don't really care who's airline it is. I'm sure the Polish airlines are not bad and are as good as the rest
Me: I totally agree.
Osiedle_Ruda [Guest]
You obviously haven't flown Alitalia have you? lol. :)
No, seriously... every time I fly LOT to Poland I always hear some fool complaining about the service (usually in Polish, btw) and I've lost count of the number of times I've heard such whingers describe them as the "worst airline in the world". Well, I would choose them to fly to Poland every time.
Having flown with BA recently (who EVERYONE seems to rate highly), I couldn't see much difference really... other than that the flight attendants were too strict, there were no Polish papers, and the catering, though OK, wasn't as good as LOT's is (give me proper kielbasa and Polish bread any time) But credit where credit is due... I'd give them 10/10 for professionalism, though. But why does LOT have so many haters? I don't get it. They have a great safety record as well, so I really can't see the problem </confused>.
Me: I totally agree, the polish kielbasa and bread too, absolutly great but unfortantly they can't because of regulations from the CAA and FAA, which I know there side also, just can't say publically on a forum.
miranda
LOT is going downhill and might be out of the picture sooner than later.
Me:
Ya right, this would explain why there leasing around 30 b787.. lol
TereskaUSA
This is why I will not choose LOT again. I just returned from a roundtrip -Los Angeles to Warsaw via Chicago. The LOT telephone booking agent did not allow enough time for our connection in Chicago. It made our trip much more stressful. There was no reason for that type of "mistake". They should know better.
Also, the small planes are much less comfortable. The flight was noisy and more bumpy than when we crossed the Atlantic on larger jets.
I would fly LOT inside Europe - but not across the Atlantic again.
Me:You are contradicting yourself, please read what you wrote again... Yes the (smaller planes) are bumpier because they have turboprop engines (typically for short flight because of efficiency) instead of long distant planes which typically have turbofan and give you a smoother flight. (concorde pulsejet)
In polish: PO POLSKU
Rozumie pani ze miejsze samoloty maja silniki turboprop bardziej glosniejsze i wiecej turbulencji sa najlepsze na krotkie loty z powodu na ale spalanie paliwa. Wieksze samoloty sa bardzo lagodne w locie poniewaz maja silniki turbofan ktore okazuja sie lepsze na dlugie trasy z pododu spalania paliwa.
To sum up. Nothing wrong with LOT umoung these arougant complaints. Sometimes passengers should start looking up answers instead of complaining. If you want a 5-star flight, then fly in a buissness jet. My point exactly you can't afford it which is typical, but you have to start dealing that your flight won't be perfect ever.
I love LOT/Eurolot. This is why it's better to be that pilot instead of a passenger. Not to deal with common passenger problems. LOL
P.S. Love flying
JulietEcho
Flying about 200,000 miles a year I'll take a freedom to answer your comments... I fly LOT every year in both buisness and economy class.
1) customer service is terrible
THAT IS a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
2) in flight service is a joke. God forbid you ask for a glass of water, the attendants look at you like you are crazy.
- LIE.
3) Calling them for info is a joke, if they don't like what you are saying they just hang up on you
- THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO IF YOU PRESENT YOUR ATTITUDE.
4) The plances are 100 years old.
- PLANES ARE NO OLDER THAN UNITED, AMERICAN OR BA...
5) On yesterdays flight (WAW-ORD) the engine blew out, they had to dump fuel to lighten the plane to land in Iceland. I mean do they have mechanics that check planes beore they take-off? They kept everyone on the plane for 4 hours. Stayed ovrenight in some cheap hotel. Don't post a press release that people will be coming in the next day. People are still in Iceland waiting in the airport to get out...gee that is so much fun
ANOTHER LIE! BEING A PILOT, IT HAPPENS THAT MY BUDDY WAS A CAPITAN ON THAT FLIGHT. ALL IN ALL, THE ENGINE HAD A FAULTY PROBE AND THEY HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN AND LAND USING ONE ENGINE. IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS ONLY A PROBE IN FACT. INCIDENTS DESCRIBED ABOVE HAPPEN DAILY FOR EVERY AIRLINE. NOBODY SAT IN THE AIRPLANE FOR 4 HOURS, OTHER THAN MECHANICS...
6) Simply they are just rude.
I fly business class reason being I like to sleep in the bed/chair, the chair was BROKEN. Hello, why did I pay this money then? Certainly not for the food. They just DON'T CARE. Fly another European airline, same price and MUCH better service.
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- OR MAYBE YOU ARE RUDE. WHAT YOU JUST WROTE I FIND VERY TRUE WITH BRITISH AIRLINES. BA IS RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND FLY 100 YEAR OLD PLANES. THEIR COACH CLASS SERVICE ON: US TO BRITAIN ROUTE SUCKS MAJOR ASS. YOU'LL BE LUCKY TO GET A MICROWAVED SHOE IN TOMATO SAUCE FOR A DINNER. SEATS I THEIR 100 YER OLD 767 FALL APART AND THEY SMELL LIKE AN USED SOCK. ALWAYS LATE AND IF THEY EXTEND YOUR TRIP FOR ANOTHER 2 DAYS BECAUSE THEIR CAPTAIN DIDN'T FEEL LIKE TAKING OFF WITH A FOG. YOU'LL END UP TRAVELING USING BUSES LIKE I DID VIA HALF OF
Me:
Looks like your a aviation hater, very typical for people loaded with money.. It includes all of you buissnees men/woman, actors/actresses, dancers. You don't fly for passion but for money. Dude why aren't you flying inside a buissnes jet? Looks like your literally loaded with money. Just so you know you people aren't seen good in the aviation industry, pilots and mechanics complain about people like this.
I want to add to my previous post. Everything is done for your safety. If engine blow out another words turn off the pilot must first establish best glide then land the plane in that case land the aircraft in the nearby airport in greenland. It turns out by the mechanics the probe another words an electrical wire defect (may been broken or was causing a short circuit) in this case it would cause to give incorrect information to the pilot and turn off the engine. This is what mechanics are for, to fix the plan, we can't forecast technical problems. You probably be better of having landed to make sure the plane is ok to fly the flying on one engine that could also blow out ending tragically. Captains/pilots don't create unnecessary delays. The crew couldn't take off due to low visibility (fog). The pilot in command or F/O or capt. was wise to wait to visibility is better. We have regulations we must follow. Depending whether we fly VFR or IFR (visual flight rules or Instrument flight Rules) there many rules under each concerning visibility. We have at least minimum expectations for whether surrounding our airplane. Remember this is for your safety. How would you know if there is another plane next to you in the deep fog if your the pilot?
People start seeing flying, that your on board a multimillion dollar aircraft that is flying in the sky about 600 MPH at a altitude of 40,000ft. Who cares it the play button for music on the chair dosen't work. It's like saying I need a mp3 player when I drive a ferrari, porsche or lamborghini. That's the way I look at it everytime I flew as a passenger. It was great everytime I remember which was about 30 times I flew LOT airlines internationally. As a pilot, it's a diffrent story, it's better than you can you can imagine, can tell u this from expierience. Don't get me wrong I'm not a airline pilot yet.. LOL
I am pilot/mechanic in the U.S. again I love these conversations and complaints people make.. haha... Let's get some things straight. Polish airlines are one of the best in the world, if not the best. Look at statistics how many accidents they had conducting flights with comparison to many other U.S. major carriers. Yes the planes are old but are being replaced by the fabulous b787, my dream machine to fly in a few years :). I'm not a representative of any airline and can't say of how each airline regulates or operates certain things. Member Krakowianka cleared many things.. I do agree about the customer service problems they have and flight attendants something about that should be done. I've been flying as a passenger about 30 flights. The meals used to be horrible but recently they changed this and my last 8 flights meals were alsom as passenger, same thing with the flight attendates I believe the flight attendates had retraining and I see they do there job correctly. I rate the food 5 star+ polish culture background in some food they give. Yes I also enjoy the polsih beverages (Zywiec, tatra moca etc. mostly beer) Unfortantly can't try that when I'm piloting) :( because of regulations and mostly of course for passenger safety). Someone said "do they have mechanics?", no the planes are maintained and fixed by themselves.. Wow amazing what people can say or write?
Some things I would like to add about peoples comments:
sthatu:
I rate LOT, Flying back to Manchester our Pilot did a cracking,no fuss, mid air jink that saved us from a very near miss.
Me:
Did you see a plane in your sight approximately 1/2 mile away or closer? I very highly doubt, but could have happened because of crowdness in the sky.. Congrats to the pilot to act accordingly and expedite to the GPWS command (system on board to prevent mid-air collisions). yay..
tornado2007
To be honest as long as the plane gets me from a to b with a little comfort i don't really care who's airline it is. I'm sure the Polish airlines are not bad and are as good as the rest
Me: I totally agree.
Osiedle_Ruda [Guest]
You obviously haven't flown Alitalia have you? lol. :)
No, seriously... every time I fly LOT to Poland I always hear some fool complaining about the service (usually in Polish, btw) and I've lost count of the number of times I've heard such whingers describe them as the "worst airline in the world". Well, I would choose them to fly to Poland every time.
Having flown with BA recently (who EVERYONE seems to rate highly), I couldn't see much difference really... other than that the flight attendants were too strict, there were no Polish papers, and the catering, though OK, wasn't as good as LOT's is (give me proper kielbasa and Polish bread any time) But credit where credit is due... I'd give them 10/10 for professionalism, though. But why does LOT have so many haters? I don't get it. They have a great safety record as well, so I really can't see the problem </confused>.
Me: I totally agree, the polish kielbasa and bread too, absolutly great but unfortantly they can't because of regulations from the CAA and FAA, which I know there side also, just can't say publically on a forum.
miranda
LOT is going downhill and might be out of the picture sooner than later.
Me:
Ya right, this would explain why there leasing around 30 b787.. lol
TereskaUSA
This is why I will not choose LOT again. I just returned from a roundtrip -Los Angeles to Warsaw via Chicago. The LOT telephone booking agent did not allow enough time for our connection in Chicago. It made our trip much more stressful. There was no reason for that type of "mistake". They should know better.
Also, the small planes are much less comfortable. The flight was noisy and more bumpy than when we crossed the Atlantic on larger jets.
I would fly LOT inside Europe - but not across the Atlantic again.
Me:You are contradicting yourself, please read what you wrote again... Yes the (smaller planes) are bumpier because they have turboprop engines (typically for short flight because of efficiency) instead of long distant planes which typically have turbofan and give you a smoother flight. (concorde pulsejet)
In polish: PO POLSKU
Rozumie pani ze miejsze samoloty maja silniki turboprop bardziej glosniejsze i wiecej turbulencji sa najlepsze na krotkie loty z powodu na ale spalanie paliwa. Wieksze samoloty sa bardzo lagodne w locie poniewaz maja silniki turbofan ktore okazuja sie lepsze na dlugie trasy z pododu spalania paliwa.
To sum up. Nothing wrong with LOT umoung these arougant complaints. Sometimes passengers should start looking up answers instead of complaining. If you want a 5-star flight, then fly in a buissness jet. My point exactly you can't afford it which is typical, but you have to start dealing that your flight won't be perfect ever.
I love LOT/Eurolot. This is why it's better to be that pilot instead of a passenger. Not to deal with common passenger problems. LOL
P.S. Love flying
JulietEcho
Flying about 200,000 miles a year I'll take a freedom to answer your comments... I fly LOT every year in both buisness and economy class.
1) customer service is terrible
THAT IS a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
2) in flight service is a joke. God forbid you ask for a glass of water, the attendants look at you like you are crazy.
- LIE.
3) Calling them for info is a joke, if they don't like what you are saying they just hang up on you
- THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO IF YOU PRESENT YOUR ATTITUDE.
4) The plances are 100 years old.
- PLANES ARE NO OLDER THAN UNITED, AMERICAN OR BA...
5) On yesterdays flight (WAW-ORD) the engine blew out, they had to dump fuel to lighten the plane to land in Iceland. I mean do they have mechanics that check planes beore they take-off? They kept everyone on the plane for 4 hours. Stayed ovrenight in some cheap hotel. Don't post a press release that people will be coming in the next day. People are still in Iceland waiting in the airport to get out...gee that is so much fun
ANOTHER LIE! BEING A PILOT, IT HAPPENS THAT MY BUDDY WAS A CAPITAN ON THAT FLIGHT. ALL IN ALL, THE ENGINE HAD A FAULTY PROBE AND THEY HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN AND LAND USING ONE ENGINE. IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS ONLY A PROBE IN FACT. INCIDENTS DESCRIBED ABOVE HAPPEN DAILY FOR EVERY AIRLINE. NOBODY SAT IN THE AIRPLANE FOR 4 HOURS, OTHER THAN MECHANICS...
6) Simply they are just rude.
I fly business class reason being I like to sleep in the bed/chair, the chair was BROKEN. Hello, why did I pay this money then? Certainly not for the food. They just DON'T CARE. Fly another European airline, same price and MUCH better service.
[/quote]
- OR MAYBE YOU ARE RUDE. WHAT YOU JUST WROTE I FIND VERY TRUE WITH BRITISH AIRLINES. BA IS RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND FLY 100 YEAR OLD PLANES. THEIR COACH CLASS SERVICE ON: US TO BRITAIN ROUTE SUCKS MAJOR ASS. YOU'LL BE LUCKY TO GET A MICROWAVED SHOE IN TOMATO SAUCE FOR A DINNER. SEATS I THEIR 100 YER OLD 767 FALL APART AND THEY SMELL LIKE AN USED SOCK. ALWAYS LATE AND IF THEY EXTEND YOUR TRIP FOR ANOTHER 2 DAYS BECAUSE THEIR CAPTAIN DIDN'T FEEL LIKE TAKING OFF WITH A FOG. YOU'LL END UP TRAVELING USING BUSES LIKE I DID VIA HALF OF
Me:
Looks like your a aviation hater, very typical for people loaded with money.. It includes all of you buissnees men/woman, actors/actresses, dancers. You don't fly for passion but for money. Dude why aren't you flying inside a buissnes jet? Looks like your literally loaded with money. Just so you know you people aren't seen good in the aviation industry, pilots and mechanics complain about people like this.
I want to add to my previous post. Everything is done for your safety. If engine blow out another words turn off the pilot must first establish best glide then land the plane in that case land the aircraft in the nearby airport in greenland. It turns out by the mechanics the probe another words an electrical wire defect (may been broken or was causing a short circuit) in this case it would cause to give incorrect information to the pilot and turn off the engine. This is what mechanics are for, to fix the plan, we can't forecast technical problems. You probably be better of having landed to make sure the plane is ok to fly the flying on one engine that could also blow out ending tragically. Captains/pilots don't create unnecessary delays. The crew couldn't take off due to low visibility (fog). The pilot in command or F/O or capt. was wise to wait to visibility is better. We have regulations we must follow. Depending whether we fly VFR or IFR (visual flight rules or Instrument flight Rules) there many rules under each concerning visibility. We have at least minimum expectations for whether surrounding our airplane. Remember this is for your safety. How would you know if there is another plane next to you in the deep fog if your the pilot?
People start seeing flying, that your on board a multimillion dollar aircraft that is flying in the sky about 600 MPH at a altitude of 40,000ft. Who cares it the play button for music on the chair dosen't work. It's like saying I need a mp3 player when I drive a ferrari, porsche or lamborghini. That's the way I look at it everytime I flew as a passenger. It was great everytime I remember which was about 30 times I flew LOT airlines internationally. As a pilot, it's a diffrent story, it's better than you can you can imagine, can tell u this from expierience. Don't get me wrong I'm not a airline pilot yet.. LOL