Polish bus crash in Croatia. Is there a fate?

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And hope that if you're in a crash, every factor including angle of descent, geography and buildings on the ground are identical.

This really looks like a one in a million thing.

It it really happened.... terrible tragedies are also seen as opportunities for grifters.... (see Grenfell fraudsters.....)

I am... a bit skeptical and would want real evidence that he's who he says he is and he really was on the flight...

That's a bit of a strange thing to say, however yes, he was on the flight, as was his brother who sadly died.

I doubt the hospital who treated him needed any evidence other than his injuries. Anyway, he was a Londoner returning home who was on the flight manifest, and a couple of newspapers have shown pics of his bloodstained boarding pass.


The Westminster Tory city councillors who decided to save money by using sub-standard cladding or the French company who falsified the results of safety testing so they could make money from selling substandard and dangerous products?

His brother was interviewed outside the family home in Leicester yesterday.

news.sky.com/story/british-national-survives-plane-crash-indian-media-reports-13382718

Yep, Leicester rather than London. Anywhere south of about north Derbyshire (unless it's zone 1 in London) may as well be Antarctica to me!

It's weird that some people are being sceptical about him being on the plane. Good that he survived though. A real miracle although he'll probably have survivirs' guilt, especially since his brother who was travelling with him was lost.

It will probably be a long time before they know how many people on the ground died, however the footage of survivors on stretchers looked tragic.

Those sobs deserve life imprisonment, but I was talking about people who claimed to have been living there, like these:

bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44396514

While here.... why is there such a long tradition of crappy buildings in the UK?

Years ago I saw a documentary on the social housing movement in the UK (mainly England) after WWII and was shocked at how shabby the construction was.... so it's no surprise many more or less collapsed and/or had to be taken down.

Meanwhile buildings in Poland built around the same time are still very liveable..

In the US the problem with social housing was people who didn't know how to take care of things breaking things through ignorance and/or apathy and/or malice (seems to have been an issue in the UK as well). Again much, much less of that in Poland.

That why claims are always investigated.


There isn't really and most social housing is well-built though after the war there were a lot of homeless still a lot of early nineteenth century slums to be cleared, a huge pressure to build and money was very tight; some of the buildings were only expected to be temporary but lasted much longer. That's the same situation in Warsaw with the 'wielki płyty` buildings, banned in the late 60s in the U.K. after an old bat in London left the gas on at night and lit a cig in the morning.

Ironically, some of the shoddier buildings like prefabs (I'm all for bringing those back right now) and Airey Houses were among the most popular and much loved.


Yes. The cities built them with high ideals but didn't always look after them and another problem was that people in the U.K. fetishise home ownership while at the same time concentrate the poorest who need the most help in the same areas. Plus, the councils who had ro build the most were generally in places that had the most problems.

I had 4 council flats, all were larger and a higher standard than you'd expect to find in PL (and one was borderline luxurious) however the problem families who the council had the most duty to support were obviously put in council accommodation and this didn't do much to make a cohesive or stable environment. A bit like that part of Warsaw near the women's prison sort of behind Grochów where the city houses families that they have a duty to house but who don't pay rent or cre much about what's around them.

There's going to be a new round of council house building in the U.K., and judging by the few estates that have been built in the last couple of decade or so, they will probably be good ones.

As far as I know, only one collapsed (the one with the elderly lady, the gas cooker and the cigarette) called Ronan Point. It shocked the nation and the law regarding building safety was changed after that. Fortunately others a brand new building so very few people had moved in.

The ones demolished (actually not that many) were generally due to a concentration of people with difficult social problems being put in the same place and successive Tory governments (they absolutely hate the idea of social housing or anything else their bourgeois chums can't make a profit from) deliberately running down public infrastructure and in the case of housing, legally preventing councils from building or improving it

You can't just build flats, put families with huge problems in and run away to leave them to flounder,

Plus, some that were demolished were either temporary, experimental, or just too modern for people who wanted traditional things. Some of the ones that were knocked down in Glasgow (which has a huge amount of social housing) like the Red Road Flats were demolished because they were on windswept estates, miles from shops or services, and people just didńt like them. High rise work best in built up areas, as infill developments rather than on big estates and for either single people or the elderly. Most are successful; Google Park Hill Flats in Sheffield or the Byker Wall in Newcastle.

If you put "council housing" and "mould" into youtube there are lots of videos showing some pretty basic problems have not been solved....

An extreme example of bad planning, bad construction and government indifference can be seen here (old but relevant?):

youtube.com/watch?v=x52stFqfZ7A

I don't really need YouTube for that however yes, there's probably plenty on there about it; normal enough for a society that loves to wash its dirty linen in public.

The mould problem is even worse in privately owned houses. It's one of the wettest cold countries on the planet and the battle against rising damp, condensation, wet rot and mould are constant.

A friend in London moved to PL, rented his ground floor flat (late nineteenth/early twentieth century private flat) to some Poles. They put expanding builder's foam in the airbricks (as we both know, Poles hate drafts, especially the dreaded przyciąg). The result? My friend was sued by his upstairs neighbours whose wallpaper fell off due to the damp caused by blocking the vents.


More people trying to carry out a complex and expensive task and achieving a partial outcome. Not every student gets a first, not every Local authority gets everything right and not every businessperson investor makes a fortune (unlike Jim, PAK, etc here who only ever achieve great success in life, despite in reality being failures) and not every doctor becomes a consultant.

All you can do is the best with what you've got (and there are some who will always snipe at that - most things are far easier to say than do) a task made harder by bureaucratic and corporate structures working against you. So often the story of social welfare has been about sticking plasters which are put on and never replaced since new challenges appear.


That's what happens when programmes are started by Labour and subsequently deliberately undermined by the Tories. Similar things are happening now in your country and happen often in mine.


That's Divvis Flats, one of the developments in Glasgow like Red Road mentioned earlier. Glasgow had some of the worst nineteenth century slums in Europe, was very heavily bombed in WW2 with a large loss of life and an even larger loss of buildings. For decades afterwards the city was under massive pressure to put a roof over people's heads, and for all their faults, places like Divvis did that for a while and were replaced decades ago with better social housing.

If you want to see a good example of social housing in Scotland in that period, google Leith Banana Flats (or just watch the scene in Trainspott8ng where they're shooting a skinhead's dog from the flat windows).

Returning to the plane crash in India, one woman was 10 minutes late and therefore did not fly. It saved her life. And to think that I dislike traffic jams so much. Returning to this lady, I think she will never fly anywhere again.🛫🛬

Lucky.

Like the Sikh guy who spent too long in the bar at Heathrow and missed PanAm 103 that went down over Lockerbie.

That lady died not long ago. The Yugoslavian air steward who fell out of the plane, fell thousands of feet to earth and miraculously survived.

Miracles can and do happen.

And they say alcohol kills.

only Germa...ups, that is germs.

I hope that this similarity in name is just a coincidence.

Diogo Jota dies in a car accident because doctors advised him not to fly because of possible post-operative complications.I don't know the guy, but it must be some kind of fate that a tire bursts while overtaking in a car worth 250,000 Euros.