Terms of Russian Surrender

You are so right - the aggressive imperialism of NATO, the sick bastard that outlived its original purpose and metastasized into cancer that finally met a barrier. That's why the whole world out there is cheering for Russia. Just look at the comments on YouTube. No, they are not there by paid Russian trolls.

I hate analogies so here is a simplified version:

It is the US that started this war. One of many...Would you like the list?

@Novichok

Don't you EVER get tired of repeating the same old stuff over and over again?


NATO is not an empire, it's an alliance of free, democratic countries (well, Turkey is an exception). And no matter how much you try to twist everything around and distort facts - it was Russia that invaded Ukraine; NATO had nothing to do with it, as Putin himself admitted.

The most irritating thing is watching Polish bootlickers arguing with the Americans themselves and asking .. what elephant...

This is from Cato Institute, for Pete's sake, not from RT or TASS.

cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war#


Hellloo, anybody home???

Zelensky issues ultimatum to NATO - FT
The Ukrainian president has reportedly threatened to skip an upcoming event if Kiev doesn't get a membership roadmap
Zelensky has "made clear to NATO leaders that he will not attend the Vilnius summit without concrete security guarantees and a road map for accession," the newspaper said.

Did you finally notice the elephant in the living room or not yet?

@Novichok

NATO, NATO, NATO, USA, USA, USA... blah blah blah... *facepalm*

Rich, for crying out loud, surely such an intelligent guy like you must understand that it's not Americans but the British who are mostly behind the support for escalating the conflict. Americans are more concentrated on China (look at the American support that Taiwan gets/will get compared to Ukraine). Sure, the USA invested a lot in Ukraine for the purpose of weakening Russia but their main enemy remains China.

Why do you think Boris Johnson once travelled to Kiev, if not for making Ukrainian-Russian agreement in 2022 "a bit more difficult"? The loss of influence in the post-Soviet zone, especially now after Brexit, would be too painful for the City to accept. As for Poland - well, Morawiecki has banking background (connected with British capital), so no wonder Poland goes hand in hand with Brits on this one.

Of course, it would be easier for Poland to adopt a more "Hungarian" approach to this conflict if Putin could hold some of his more eager dogs on a shorter leash with their fantasies of restoring control over Poland and the Baltics, bringing back the Soviet Union, nuking Warsaw etc. Basically, we had no choice but to support Ukraine in this war, but I think you are missing the most important British factor here.

Did you read Post 63 in its entirety? How about the linked article?
Is the author intelligent enough for you? For now, I will assume that the Cato Institute has a better grip on reality than you and PF Russia haters.


By claiming this you are accusing the US of collective insanity.
A sane country would not send its manufacturing to a hostile totalitarian hellhole, fund its military buildup, and then tell the US taxpayers to cough out more money to deal with "the enemy" that insane country has created. So which one is it? Are we sane or not?

@Bobko
If Russia loses this war. What do you mean by that, exactly?

Pretty difficult for me to imagine, in granular detail.

Local NATO brigade may find it hilarious - if one were to say that "Russia hasn't really begun to approach things seriously" - but in many ways it's the truth. Certainly the truth when compared to Ukraine.

1) Our government is terrified of calling a general mobilization.

2) The economy is still largely on a peace-time footing

3) Travel restrictions are correspondingly loose

4) UKR government offices are still strangely "off-limits"

5) Different "grain" and "ammonia" export deals are in effect, and gas is continued to be pumped through the Ukrainian gas transport network.

However, you asked me how we may lose... Here's how this might come about, IMHO:

1) Putin continues to think he may be accepted back into the warm embrace of G7, and therefore attempts to avoid doing anything "scandalous" - such as targeting key Ukrainian decision makers.

2) Putin continues to try to isolate Russia's civilian population from the "horrors of war". Eventually this will lead to a rude awakening, with unpredictable circumstances. Better to start preparing people now.

3) Martians land on Red Square, declaring eternal friendship to the people of Earth.

4) Zelensky declares as his aim the "reconstitution of the Soviet Union, within its 1991 borders", and calls upon the people of Russia and Belarus to lay down their arms in furtherance of this goal. The purpose being, the reunification of a single people separated by tragic historic events.

@Bobko
No! I asked you what would you see as Russia loosing that war. It wasn't clear to me. However as it stands it is a rethorical question, as you don't believe that Russia will ever loose the war.

I don't want to waste your and my time to divulge about something you don't even believe possible.

I like shock-and-awe a lot better. Violence must be quick to be acceptable or don't do it at all.

Russia needs to surrender and pull out of Ukraine before Russia disintegrates into another Russian revolution.

To come to agressive sorosism?


Because "open process with classified evidence and "undisclosed" witnesses and expert" is a dried fly cr@p.

Russia has already lost coz Putinists haven`t managed to conquer the whole Ukraine and remove the current Kiev gov. And it doesn`t seem they ever will.

Each day of war prolongs the sanctions which are slowly but mercilessly eroding Russian economy. Besides, prices of oil and gas have dropped dramatically. If the situation continues for 2,3 more years, Russians will emigrate even to Venezuela to improve their life standard. They are already escaping to Argentina en masse, especially pregnant females. :):):):)

What is "aggressive sorosism" ?

If that is what we have in Poland then I can deal with it. Poland is far from a perfect state but

- I am free to go where I want
- say what I want, read what I want
- no military service
- my kids have a fair chance in life
- the country is getting richer and with other ways of making money than just selling oil
- far more equal society than Udmurtia
- our leaders at least are restrained in how much they steal

The OP forgot an important part: Russia must extradite all suspected war criminals. At least the highest ranks and most prominent figures of the regime and who represent them in media will have to stand trial. At a later date and once Russia has changed, it can prosecute the thousands of lower ranking culprits itself.

Those terms are otherwise tough, but Russia itself would massively benefit from such an outcome. It would no longer be lead by people who exploit and plunder it. It would no longer have to squander its' ressources on imperial pretensions, nuclear arsenals and so on. Instead it could focus on improving the life of its' citizen. Indoor plumbing for all might no longer be a pipe dream under such circumstances.

Suspicion is not enough. You have to be charged with a specific crime.

Germany deliberately murdered millions of unresisting Poles and Russians. Russia deliberately murdered 0 unresisting Ukrainians. Go away with that stupid "war crimes" crap...

Even the US told the ICC to pound sand...I am proud of the US.

It is "agressive imperialism" on steroids - planet-wide empire controlled by a totally closed club of "Deep State v2.0". Partially tested in US, but current US "deep state", old european aristocracy, Vatican and so on - to be scrapped. Illusion of democracy for stupid serfs, and absolute dictate of "gray cardinals" in all aspects.

Sounds pretty good to me. The "people", by and large, are stupid. Then, they elect other stupid people to be their leaders. It would all end in disaster, if not for the "Grey Cardinals" or "Deep State", that try to keep the ship of government on an even keel regardless of what the "people" may want to happen.

Probably the only country that does "direct democracy" well is Switzerland. But it is populated by Swiss people. Most other countries cannot rely on this factor, and by most I mean all.

Sorry, just felt someone had to put in a good word for the "Grey Cardinals".

Bobko and Velund, thanks for being here. Your posts above are so perfect nothing needs to be added.


...except for the missing quotation marks around "democracy". To these morons, voting for party apparatchiks is democracy.

Stupid serfs, alternately brainless bootlickers.

How many defenseless civilians were murdered in Butcha alone again? 400 or 500?

Germany paid the price for its crimes. Russia will too.

Any names of victims published by investigation officials (not by third parties who never been there)? How many of victims die from something different than nail-like shrapnel from artillery shells used by ukrainian army?

And, finally, maybe you shed some light to a "waking up" "dead body" in a rear view mirror of car that filmed that famous video footage?

That's a weekend in the US. When you get to 10 million Germany executed in cold blood and with full premeditation - deliberately and not as part of the war - let me know.


Not enough. The USSR was amazingly kind to Germany for their 27 million dead - many of them POWs.
They should have executed at least as many Germans and kept the Eastern part as their own - forever.


Those are "democratic" and, thus, good shells.

Have to agree, but I missed moment at which soviet 122mm 3Sh1 artillery rounds from soviet time ukrainian arsenals was turned from a barbarian and horrible weapon to nice and democratic equivalent of US 'Beehive'" M546 APERS-T shells...

It all depends on how an artillery shell self-identifies on the basis of what it is about to hit.

Please, send me PM with more details, I have to forward it to guys who is responsible for maintaining Russian nuclear arsenals. Maybe solution of current crisis is much simpler than we think.

Wait till they finish developing an LGBT-friendly prototype.

Alex Jones claims the US government has the know-how and the wherewithal to produce a weapon which makes frogs gay. If they can make a frog gay - imagine what they can do to us?

Three days ago I finally had a chance to be an 18-year-old black lesbian in a conversation with a leftist idiot who assured me that a 6-foot, 2-inch, 265-pound dude with an erection is a woman if he says he is. When I heard that, I transgendered myself and asked how she liked me in my new social construct. She didn't. She said I was lying.

Imagine what they can do to a french frog legs market....

I see in the face of their defeat in Ukraine, our russian comrades have turned to jokes, good news it will be gallows humour soon.

I'm sure anything that needs to be disclosed will be disclosed in court during the trial.


Rubbish.