Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think?

Screw democracy when it doesn't choose the "right" winner.

That's the thing about democracy: it doesn't always produce the result you want. In almost any system though, the leaders are people who've dedicated their lives to becoming leader, like that tit Hague. Maybe absolute monarchy's the answer, where someone's born to rule whether they want to or not. Failing that, just pull a name out of a hat and take a chance.

But Tusk at least won fair and square, like him or not

Democracy in Poland would be an good idea.

No no, you don't understand. Tusk didn't win, but rather it was part of a Russo-German plot to remove the Kaczynski's from power. Tusk is just their pupp...why am I saying this nonsense? I guess - Tusk must be the first dictator that relied on another independent political party to remain in power!

I've always thought that for as long as PiS refuse to accept that they lost, they'll stay in opposition forever. Exactly the same situation as Labour in the mid 80's - utter refusal to accept that Thatcher had crushed them in 79, with a subsequent lurch to the left.


Any evidence that Poland isn't democratic?

Poland seems to be rather free of the nonsense that happens elsewhere. Even the electoral boundaries seem to be rather fair.

If the crooked system started with Magdalenka agreement means democracy to you then yes,Poland is a 100% "democracy".To me it looks more like a crooked oligarchy.


You mean Poland Maine?

I just finished watching Tusk with the Israelis on TVP. I've been following him on TVP since his election to PM. I have yet to see/hear him disagree with any world leader. Is his strategy to "just get along" with everybody?...............(NB I'm on the outside looking in)

Tusk a dictator?That would be a compliment.He's just a ordinary crook.

e? ordinary crook? why then crook rule Poland?

BDW, many nice people from Polish leadership died in that plane but, crook Tusk survived decapitation of Poland

Because the precedence set at the round table for the way the ruling elite were treated were misguided. Forgiveness goes a long way but I’m a firm believer that sometimes you do have to set an example and punish those at the top leadership positions for their sins so those who aspire to be the future leaders won’t abuse their privileged status and will think twice about the way they govern in the future. It’s amazing what influence can the concept of consequences for your action can do.


Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

So you do believe in God after all.

That was god ????

What else could it be?


it certainly is not BB drinking beer in Valhalla since I'm conversing with you on this forum. LOL

Well, what is to believe in? Either democracy works or not!
Nowadays democracy definitely is not working.Not in the version it is now.

That would be true if they didn't have an election every four years. Or less if a government fails, as the PiS/LPR/Samoobrona coalition did. If a clear majority of people are unsatisfied with a democratic government, they have a chance to change it. If a minority don't like it, they can either attempt to convince the majority or even seize power. And that certainly wouldn't be democratic.

The best strategy he can do now. Poland is not among global players, those permanent UN members.

Ps: Re to Ironwork: Democracy works or not.
It works. Give them money not more than an average worker, nobody cares who is winner of election. Similarly, religions too can work very well. Don't give any money to priests, imams, etc who work for God/s voluntarily, religions too can work quite efficiently.

if Tusk isn`t dictator why he sided with Islamic league against Serbians?? just because USA and EU also sided with Islamic league or just because he was corrupt by Arabic money and then using his authority to lure entire Poland in alliance with Islam?

Sikorski: Kosowo za wahhabickie pieniądze
Robert Kowalik, Gazeta.pl

Club head Zbigniew Chlebowski PO said that the decision on the recognition of the new state will be taken at the next cabinet meeting next Tuesday . The Government had recognized Kosovo's independence this week , but stopped - as reported Prime Minister Donald Tusk - at the request of the president. Meeting with Lech Kaczynski , however, was purely a courtesy , because the government is determined to recognize the independence of Kosovo next week.

Rapid recognition of Kosovo's independence opted immediately after the ministerial meeting of the Union in Brussels Radoslaw Sikorski . - I made a request for recognition of Kosovo's independence , as did the majority of Member States of the European Union - said Sikorski , - I have the impression that the Cabinet is inclined to recognize the independence of Kosovo - said the head of Polish diplomacy. Even nine months ago Radoslaw Sikorski on Kosovo had more doubts.

because that is what they are ****** i tell you ....as much i didn't like Kaczynski at least he have his own opinion ......this Tusk or whatever is his name ....well Donald funny name for a Polak

is just like a ***** he sells everything and everybody for approval at the polling stations .......i remember him saying he will revolutionize Poland make another Ireland (mind you the Ireland of 2008 not Ireland of 1846 )well what have he done ..............short answer NOTHING .no laws were passed all the little benefits people got from other governments were taken away not much roads build and yet this son of a b..tch still have record deficit in history of Poland ..........so i said f...k him ....aha stay tuned for more

Uh, the deficit was far, far worse in the late 80's.

poland-road-building-speeds-up - From 2010 from thenews.

You can also see what roads have been built by year at [stadiony.klszarak.org/scc_a_s.swf] - this site, really a phenomenal amount, more than ever before in Polish history.

Plans, in reality what supposed to be motorways transferred into express-ways and you have some of the numbers, point is those roads were there before, add only lift up.!


Nice theory, and I know theory. I'm talking a reality check here !

And in reality they threw out a despised government at the earliest opportunity. Democracy in action.


Probably the best way to do it, rather than despoil even more countryside.

Point is that most of them did not know what they are doing !Due to biased media propaganda!


Well quite right, but then where is a plan for developing alternative means of transport?

So when people vote for a party you like, they're wisely acting on an analysis of the political situation, and when they vote for a party you don't like, they're don't know what they're doing. That's very close to fascism.

Tusk is obviously dictator. he using his power to fascinate and confuse Poles with obscene images

we have to ask, what is next? naked Tusk in the center of Warsaw or Kracow? or photo of Tusk that hugging some Kosovo muja from KLA?

and, how should Poles understand all that? What is the message to Poles?! i can only say- its good that Tusk isn`t Polish. If he could be Polish he would for sure darken my picture about Poles.

All the Tusk-detractors need to decide whether you want Poland to "play nice, build relationships and prosper" or "play hard-ball, obstruct and remain isolated". So what if Tusk wore a yarmulke?

it was Austro-Hungarian message. Before that it was Teutonic message, too.

I like no party, I think a party system is nonsensical and redundant.


Excuse me, but I'm not studding fascist programs ideas and action to memorise them, and then watch closely, whatever my thought goes in vicinity of those to scold myself you are dangerously close to fascism. It doesn't work that way and you know it.

Abortion, united Europe under German lead, all those are straight from the German Nazi's program and plans, approved by Hitler himself. Funny but I did not notice that European politicians and Brussels are even scolded or compared to, to the i

Nazi's or Fascist by general public or so called professional watchers for human right - I call them censors of though!
Its seems that not what you think or say is decisive to call one fascist but who you are :)


he is scum !

So what do you propose?

i know brate.

in any case, just imagine how most of Americans feel about Obama. He darken picture about America, that`s for sure.

darken

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