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Could be in prison for 10 years for trying to bribe the Polish traffic police


InWroclaw 89 | 1,910
15 Jul 2012 #1
wroclaw.gazeta.pl/wroclaw/1,35771,12130236,Myslal__ze_za_sto_zlotych_policjanci_nie_zauwaza.html

The driver was driving too fast. It's alleged the 40-year-old offered the police 100 zł to release him. He was arrested and taken into custody. He faces up to 10 years in prison.

The roads here in Wroclaw suffer from many a dodgy driver. If those same motorists come over to the UK, they'll have to change their driving style considerably around our towns and cities.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #2
You need to keep a 100 zl bill in your car' documents all the time. That way, if he is so inclined, cop can take the money and let you go, but if you chance on some stickler, he cannot accuse you of bribing, you can alwys claim that you have forgoten that it has been there.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,116
15 Jul 2012 #3
I think it's pretty damn obvious that you're trying to bribe them if you somehow carry around 100zl with your documents the whole time.

For what it's worth, with everything videotaped nowadays and many, many people putting videos on youtube of things - the police aren't going to take the risk.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #4
What? It is legitimate claim, you could keep the money in there, so you don't have to search for it at the gass station. In may experience, the "offer" was rejected only once, among dozens. And the cop just said, in indignant voice "Niech pan sobie to wezmie" (You take it away, mister). Granted, I was more then double over the speed limit, I should have put 200 zl there. Tough luck.
teflcat 5 | 1,029
15 Jul 2012 #5
In the last decade levels of low level corruption have fallen dramatically in Poland. Some people even complain that you could get things done more easily in the past, when officials were more open to bribes, but the change is another step forward in Poland's maturing process as an open society. Bribery and corruption kill civil society, and can literally kill people. I don't want to pre-judge the building collapses in Alexandria, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if planning laws were circumvented. I have lived in countries where it seemed everyone was open to bribery and these places were unhappy and falling to pieces in every sense.

If someone tries to bribe a cop and gets severely punished, I say good.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,910
15 Jul 2012 #6
If someone tries to bribe a cop and gets severely punished, I say good.

I agree with you, especially if anyone bribes (or attempts to) somebody who is responsible for enforcing safety measures in buildings and the like.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #7
The problem being, the speed limits are ridicules. It should be at least doubled. Then I'd be willing at least to consider it. As it is now, when seeing 50kmh limit on two lane road, I just mutter "They got to be kidding" and ignore it.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
15 Jul 2012 #8
In the last decade levels of low level corruption have fallen dramatically in Poland.

Too bad it is limited to plebs, the "elites" steal like crazy.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,910
15 Jul 2012 #9
The problem being, the speed limits are ridicules. It should be at least doubled. Then I'd be willing at least to consider it. As it is now, when seeing 50kmh limit on two lane road, I just mutter "They got to be kidding" and ignore it.

In Britain, you'll find a 30mph limit (slightly lower than 50 km ph) on many two-lane roads ("dual carriageways") in built up areas, Where the lamp posts are close together, you are also supposed to know it means 30mph. Such roads are often covered by speed cameras and more recently average speed cameras which measure your vehicle speed between extended distances so you cannot just slow down for the speed camera (foto radar). In Essex, there is now a stretch of about 15 miles with a top speed of 50mph on a dual carriageway (the A127). It could be more than 15 miles, I'm not sure. It has average speed cameras all along it, reading registration plates. That then becomes 30mph as it nears the built up areas and you have cameras all along.

If anything, because of the poor state of Polish roads in some cities and towns, the speed limits should be reduced. 40 km ph around Wroclaw's side streets would be fast enough all things considered. On the main arteries that are straight and pedestrians and hazards are easier to perceive, perhaps keep the 50 km ph.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #10
So, Britain has no freedom whatsoever. Are you proud of it?

If anything, because of the poor state of Polish roads in some cities and towns, the speed limits should be reduced. 40 km ph around Wroclaw's side streets would be fast enough all things considered. On the main arteries that are straight and pedestrians and hazards are easier to perceive, perhaps keep the 50 km ph.

This is preposterous. On two land road (I mean two lanes in both directions) you should never be required to drive under 80 kmh.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,910
15 Jul 2012 #11
So, Britan has no freedom whasoever. Are you proud of it?

Freedom for pedestrians and cyclists not to be run over by idiots who think they're at Silverstone, yes I am.

Think yourself lucky you're not getting 15kph limits, the UK is to get 20mph limits implemented more widely..

English councils are to be given more freedom to introduce 20mph speed limits under proposals to improve road safety.

They would also be given more power to use variable speed limits outside schools under draft guidance issued by the Department for Transport (DfT).

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18840110
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
15 Jul 2012 #12
So, Britan has no freedom whasoever. Are you proud of it?

freedom to drive through built up residential areas at 80 kph? would that be something to be proud of? weird.
dual carriageways only have this restriction for a good reason (eg houses, schools) and for a short distance.

actually now i think of it, actual dual carriageways with 30 mph limit are few and far between.

as for the A127 in Essex, that is a fecker of a road and has that limit for a good reason.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #14
So your government are changing you into scared little slaves, not willing to take any risks, and you are proud of it? It boggels the mind.

What is more important, safety or freedom??! Answer me that!
jon357 74 | 22,275
15 Jul 2012 #15
Another fabrication

Yes. The going rate is 50zl by the way however it would be extremely foolish to try it in Warsaw or more and more now in other big cities. The days of being able to bribe your way out of speeding, drunk driving or other dangerous acts are increasingly over. Good thing too.

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OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,910
15 Jul 2012 #16
So your government are changing you into scared little slaves, not willing to take any risks,

Public roads are not for risks of any kind. Little Tomir or Agnes have a right to a future as they are transported to their school, free of the worry or actual danger of any risk from some berk who thinks it's cool to drive at speed away from a purpose-built racetrack just because Pan Policja is not in the rear view mirror.

What is more important, safety or freedom??! Answer me that!

If a person becomes a road casualty, they won't be around to fight for, or enjoy, any freedom.

as for the A127 in Essex, that is a fecker of a road and has that limit for a good reason.

It sure is.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #17
@in Wroclaw
That way you keep giving up more and more freedom, untill you wake up in totalitarian state.
People are dying everywhere, a sad thing to be sure, but they always did. The freedom of the society, it is what counts, I cannot infuence any big things, but I do my part, by kicking the bars of the cage they are trying to buid around us. Mayby I'll die in the car accident, but I'll do it as a free man, not the robot controlled by the state.
peterweg 37 | 2,309
15 Jul 2012 #18
Mayby I'll die in the car accident, but I'll do it as a free man, not the robot controlled by the state.

Then you will accept my right to kill you for endangering my children? I like to be free to defend my family. Ok?
teflcat 5 | 1,029
15 Jul 2012 #19
Mayby I'll die in the car accident, but I'll do it as a free man, not the robot controlled by the state.

I don't want to curtail your freedom. I just don't want you driving head-on into me when I'm out driving. As you know, other road users make mistakes, and if you are driving at a reasonable speed, you can avoid an accident, but if you are driving very fast, your ability to do so is compromised.

Hey, we are none of us above opening the throttle on a nice bit of road. I've collected enough points and fines myself over the years. Just take it easy in built up areas. After all, how often do you see trafic cops between towns?
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #20
So let's outlaw any private owned cars. Public transportation all the way. Would not be that more secure?

On the other hand, what about a yearly test of one' reflexes and all around skills, in order to gain the right to ignore speed limits? I'd be OK with that.
teflcat 5 | 1,029
15 Jul 2012 #21
in order to gain the right to ignore speed limits

Ah, now I understand. Sorry kondzior, I had no idea.
jon357 74 | 22,275
15 Jul 2012 #23
On the other hand, what about a yearly test of one' reflexes and all around skills, in order to gain the right to ignore speed limits? I'd be OK with that.

Even the most experienced drivers have fatal accidents. And of course share the road with other drivers, pedestrians etc. Speed limits and other rules of the road exist for a reason. If you want to drive just how you like, buy a very large piece of land and do it there.
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jul 2012 #24
Think yourself lucky you're not getting 15kph limits, the UK is to get 20mph limits implemented more widely..

20 mph is 32 kph.

If those same motorists come over to the UK, they'll have to change their driving style considerably around our towns and cities.

You think with mass Polish immigration the UK doesnt have that problem? It doenst work like that. Everybody drives like a lunatic in Poland - thats just the way it is. The roads and other drivers implement it, in the UK its the opposite.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
15 Jul 2012 #25
Sure, accidents happen. So what. People tend to fall out of windows as well. So why we not outlaw high buildings. Cigaretes can cause a cancer, so lets outlaw... I see, goodby the freedom. First they take my cigarettes, car is next, and then they put the ban on sex.
jon357 74 | 22,275
15 Jul 2012 #26
Which of course ignores the indisputable fact that driving is propelling a ton of metal with a powerful engine in a space shared by others.

You may well choose to dangle yourself out of a high window, to chain smoke in the privacy of your own home or to have sex with a consenting adult or even just yourself. That is your choice. When on public roads it is a shared matter, and people's freedom to be safe trumps your 'freedom' to drive however you like.
p3undone 8 | 1,132
15 Jul 2012 #27
John357,can't argue with that.Do you think 10 yrs. would be too stiff a penalty?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
15 Jul 2012 #28
Sure, accidents happen. So what. People tend to fall out of windows as well. So why we not outlaw high buildings. Cigaretes can cause a cancer, so lets outlaw... I see, goodby the freedom. First they take my cigarettes, car is next, and then they put the ban on sex.

very silly comparisons....IMO.
'freedom' is not the right to mow down small children if they get in your way. Unless you are some kind of psychopath.
I am 'free' to drive, because I stay within the law.
I also stay a good distance behind any car/truck with Polish plates, incidentally. That gives me the 'freedom' to keep living.
Cardno85 31 | 973
15 Jul 2012 #29
As someone who is about to buy a car in Poland with a UK driving licence, I can see where the road rules come in. I drove in Vietnam where you can bribe your way out of anything and the roads were chaos, maybe 500 people dying every month on the road. You may think that Polish roads are bad for crazy drivers, but you have seen nothing until you hit poor parts of South East Asia or Africa. When there are no rules the whole thing goes tits up. You can value your freedom all you want, but don't do it on my roads!
Harry
15 Jul 2012 #30
Personally I keep my car documents in a separate wallet to my cash and credit cards and in a current pocket too. I always keep 200zl with my documents so that if I lose my wallet, I have enough money for petrol to get me home


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