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Polish drink-driving murderer sentenced to 5.5 years in prison


delphiandomine 85 | 17,629    
26 May 2017  #1
Poland has a severe problem with drink driving, and it seems that one of the most successful Polish exports is exporting the problem abroad too.

leinsterleader.ie/news/home/249687/breaking-damien-klasinski-sentenced-for-causing-death-of-kildare-cllr-willie-crowley.html

Damien Klasinski, who mowed down a fine outstanding member of the Kildare County Council in Ireland, was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for this horrific act. Damien was no stranger to the long arm of the law, as he had 13 previous convictions for driving offences in 2015, including drink driving and driving without insurance. When he chopped down the fine Irish councillor, he was also breaking the speed limit and driving in an inappropriate manner for the conditions.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 May 2017  #2
This one is disturbing too. Hard to imagine that none of the people at his sisters house stopped him, and sad that they just let him drive away without calling the police:

A Polish man who drove whilst almost six times over the alcohol limit has been jailed for what a magistrate described as a "reckless disregard for life bordering on the suicidal".

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7158087/Drink-driving-Polish-man-caught-six-times-over-legal-limit-was-suicidal.html

This one, back in Poland and well publicised at the time is awful, the crowd of gawkers watching the aftermath doesn't help: mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horrifying-video-shows-moment-drunk-6843807
Harry    
26 May 2017  #3
one of the most successful Polish exports is exporting the problem abroad

From the completely nationalist point of view, it was a success. Those criminals are no longer on Polish roads and they are (unless they visit Poland, which outstanding warrants should help to stop) not going to be killing or maiming people here in our county. Hard to argue that isn't a success for Poland. I think I remember reading a study about Poles in the US being far more likely than average to be convicted of DUI and DWI, I'll see if I can dig it up.
Bieganski 17 | 906    
26 May 2017  #4
Another skewed hit piece to mischaracterize Poles.

This one case barely registers when looking at drink-driving statistics published by Ireland's Road Safety Authority:

150 drivers are arrested each week on suspicion of driving under the influence. 8,063 drivers were arrested in 2016 for driving while intoxicated...983 fatal collisions occurred on Irish roads between 2008 and 2012, claiming the lives of 1,077 people.

Source: rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Campaigns/Current-road-safety-campaigns/Drink-Driving--Fast-Facts-
Were all these arrests Poles residing in Ireland? No, they were not.

Ireland like all Western countries has a long history of alcoholism.

Father Jack Hackett in the Father Ted comedy series wasn't based on a Polish character:



So how shameful that a misanthropic recluse from Britain (with its own deeply established binge drinking culture with thousands killed and injured every year in drink-driving accidents and tens of thousands more convicted of drink-driving offenses) would spread lies that alcoholism is one of Poland's most successful exports.
Atch 17 | 2,698    
26 May 2017  #5
It's not so much alcoholism Bieggers but people having a normal drink in the pub, feeling fine and not realising that they're over the limit. The stats you give regarding accidetnts are not all alcohol related remember. The figure for that is 38% of the total you quote and included pedestrians who basically walked out in front of a car because they themselves were drunk. It's still a high figure though even at 38% and needs to come down. Also sentencing needs to be much harsher on those found guilty of causing a fatality.
Harry    
26 May 2017  #6
Poland has a severe problem with drink driving, and it seems that one of the most successful Polish exports is exporting the problem abroad

Does anybody happen to have any statistics about the number of Poles caught drink driving? I see that in 2013 162,090 drivers were stopped over the alcohol limit. In 2012 it was 171,020 drivers and in 2011 183,488. But when we compare that to the number Bieggers has helpfully provided above, we can see that the problem here is much worse than in Ireland: 8,063 from a population of 4.3 million there and 162,090 for a population of 38.6 million here, meaning that Poland has a population nine times that of Ireland but has more than twenty times as many drunks driving.

Britain (with its own deeply established binge drinking culture with thousands killed and injured every year in drink-driving accidents and tens of thousands more convicted of drink-driving offenses)

Thanks for bringing the UK into the discussion. In the UK in 2015 there were 42,587 convictions for drink driving, from a population of 65.1 million. That means while the UK has 169% of the population of Poland, it has only 26% as many drunks driving.

I suppose the interesting thing would be to compare UK drink driving figures before and after millions of Poles moved to the rest of the EU. Does anybody know where those might be found? Sadly I don't think the DVLA releases statistics broken down into convictions by nationality.
Bieganski 17 | 906    
26 May 2017  #7
Thanks for bringing the UK into the discussion.

Yes, indeed. Even the UK government acknowledges that Poland has a much tougher stance on this issue:

The drink-drive limit in Poland is 20 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood - which is lower than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland (80milligrammes) and Scotland (50milligrammes).

Source: gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/poland/local-laws-and-customs

Boozy Britain has to have higher thresholds because its population is so awash in alcohol that if it brought its limits in line with Poland the UK courts and prisons would be simply overwhelmed.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 May 2017  #8
Poland has a much tougher stance on this issue:

Evidently they need to, given the sheer scale of it here in Poland and among Poles in general.
Harry    
26 May 2017  #9
Even the UK government acknowledges that Poland has a much tougher stance on this issue:

The government can have as tough a stance as it wants, Bieggers, the problem is that the message isn't getting through to millions of Poles. Still, at least the worst of them leave our fine country and move to western Europe. Perhaps we could send a few of them to your country too, Bieggers? That would help make Poland an even better place. I can see the adverts in the paper now: "If you're caught drink-driving, you're going to prison and then you're getting a one-way ticket to Chicago". That would solve a lot of problems here.
Bieganski 17 | 906    
26 May 2017  #10
given the sheer scale of it

As I correctly pointed out the UK statistics for drink-driving incidents are only lower because its threshold limits have to be set higher. Britain could never cope if it was as hardline as Poland is when it comes to public intoxication especially when driving.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 May 2017  #11
pointed out the UK statistics for drink-driving incidents are only lower because its threshold limits have to be set higher. B

A source for your assertions that: a. stats are lower for that reason, and b, they 'have to be' set higher?

Thought not...

never cope if it was as hardline as Poland is when it comes to public intoxication especially when driving.

The number of Poles convicted of that, as demonstrated above, certainly shows beyond any doubt that Britain's laws weren't made with Polish levels of drunkenness in mind.
Harry    
26 May 2017  #12
given the sheer scale of it here in Poland and among Poles in general.

Of course that's partly a reflection of the problems here with alcoholism. A friend of mine just posted this link on FB because it's mother's day (it's the story of when she was a child and a couple of drunks ran over her mother, her mother survived the initial crash but instead of calling for help the perpetrators just stole the money from her purse and bought vodka with it )blogs.timesofisrael.com/remembering-my-mother/
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 May 2017  #13
Here's some shocking cases. barely the tip of the iceberg.

The driver in the Des Plaines accident Piotr Rog was drunk -- three times the legal limit

abc7chicago.com/news/toxicology-report-released-of-driver-in-deadly-high-speed-des-plaines-crash/1901211/

The court heard Klasinski, a Polish native, has 13 previous convictions mainly for road traffic offences.

independent.ie/irish-news/courts/speeding-driver-who-killed-councillor-asked-passengers-what-am-i-supposed-to-do-before-driving-away-35677140.html

Agnieszka Chrzaszcz was nearly five times over the drink-drive limit when she reversed at speed in her Honda Civic car and hit Laura Percival

basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/11215178.Drunk_driver_jailed_after_running_down_Basingstoke_mum/
Bieganski 17 | 906    
26 May 2017  #14
Polish levels of drunkenness

Poland's tougher stance comes from a mature understanding that drunkenness has a negative impact on the individual and others. The lower blood-alchol limits are there whether someone drinks or not. The lower limits reflect that Poland values the life of her citizens especially now that Poland's borders are open to other EU nationals (and in particular those like the British who are on their way out of the EU) who don't leave their culture of liquid lunches at a pub and weekend long binge drinking routines back home when they visit Poland.

The assertion you are trying to make that Poland's laws have to be tougher because Poland is a nation of drunks is simply wrong.

What is clear is that UK thresholds are higher because its problem with alcoholism is endemic and too costly now to tackle. If the UK was brave enough to follow Poland's lead on this issue then arrest and conviction rates for drink driving in the UK would soar so high that they would lead statistics not only in Europe but worldwide.

timesofisrael.com/remembering-my-mother/

There you go again trying to play the anti-Semitism card. We should start calling you Father Harry or would you prefer Rabbi Harry?

Jedwabne! BiaƂystok! Pogrom! Drink! Drink! Drink!
Harry    
26 May 2017  #15
Here's some shocking cases.

Here's a more understandable one. Not the driving bit, of course, but at least the drinking bit (I'd probably be tempted to just kill the pain if I was that fat), although I have no idea why he thought being too fat was an excuse for not going to court:

A forklift driver claimed he was too fat to attend court for his drink-driving hearing.
Jaroslaw Wiech, who weighs 34 stone, claimed he has 'mobility problems' due to his weight and was unable to make the 15-mile trip to court

metro.co.uk/2016/06/27/man-who-claimed-his-belly-was-a-disabilty-was-too-fat-to-turn-up-to-court-5969281/

It's a pity that bloke wasn't banned really, getting on a bike every day would do him the world of good (as it would a few other people too, best not name any names though).
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 May 2017  #16
Here are some more cases, just scratching the surface. Evidently the problem of Poles and drunk driving is massive:

But they eventually revealed to police that the four had been drinking together in a lorry cab and Mr Kenig was very drunk and had become aggressive and abusive.

kentonline.co.uk/hythe/news/murder-arrests-followed-lorry-drivers-35193/

The driver of an HGV was more than three times over the drink drive limit six hours after he crashed on the A15. Tomasz Kogut, 40, from Poland, appeared at Lincoln Magistrates' Court

lincolnshirelive.co.uk/lorry-driver-three-times-the-drink-drive-limit-six-hours-after-a15-crash/story-30107635-detail/story.html

Agnieszka Lauks was seen swerving around in the road and braking for no reason and when she was stopped a breath test showed 142 micrograms of alcohol in her body - 35 is the limit.

blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/blackpool-from-the-courts-06-12-16-1-8275557
Peeweeher    
28 May 2017  #17
Poland's tougher stance comes from a mature understanding that drunkenness has a negative impact on the individual and others.

Maybe Polands stance is driven by the fact that it has SIX times the number of drink drivers and FI'VE times the road death rate of the safest driving country in the world -the United Kingdom.


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