Poles say a big YES to our European Union

(Repeated) sacking of Rome? Check.
Sacking the other Rome a thousand years later? Check.
Reformation obliterating European unity forever? Check.

There are no greater vermin on the face of God's green earth than g*rmans.

Germany didn't exist then, and the Huns and Visigoths had more to do with other places than Germany. Not that the events of 1500 years ago have much relevance to human behaviour today. A bit like pretending that today's Poles have anything to do with Mieszko I.


What 'other Rome'?


Or improving it...

Fantastic....you are doing great! :)

I always loved the stories about the sacking of Rome! My barbarians....*polishes helmet* :)

Hach ja....the good 'ol times...

@jon357
Polish identity is based upon the kingdom of Poland, which again came about thanks to Mieszko I decision to marry Dobrawa... Which lead to Bolesław Chrobry! Read a history book would you?

"What 'other Rome'?"
The one a certain Tudor left with his whole kingdom cause he wasn't able to bring about an male heir

And most definitively the reformation worsened christianity, it's divided in Germany to this very day and even leading to prophanations

Even many. The warlords of those days have nothing to do with modern Poland though.


I doubt he means London, even with or without Henry the Great's wise decision.

@jon357
It certainly has, it's Poland. Not France, nor Russia or Germany! You can take your colloqual behind and shove it where pepper grows! And no! It ain't advice from me for you start hedonistic activities with your delusional mind

It's funny how you admire his decision yet berrate about U.K leaving EU tho! Inconsistency!

All of whom have differing histories yet much in common. Poland isn't some sort of mystic Shangri-La or Camelot, y'know.

@jon357
None of those two no! Far better and better looking then what the entire island of britain could even possibly imagine!

History of U.K can at best be summed up as classwarfare between factions about who gets to sit on the throne, while in Polish history gets to read about the triumphant social sucess which is the Polish republic which have agreed about rules of engagment regarding governing in Poland.

While in the U.K ever since Cromwell, the islanders have accepted their failed attempt and think monarchy is the best solution cause of their own failure. Thinking it impossible for others to not only suceed but overcome it as well! Which is why Norway has a monarchy this day instead of a republic for instance! Cause of english fragileness

Really?


Hahaha.

And no surprise that you're attempting to deflect by posting irrelevant and inaccurate information about other countries. It doesn't work when Sergei Lavrov tries it, and it ain't working for you now.

@jon357
I would be more then happy for you to begin describing historical events accurately

Accurately, or according to your romantic perception of accuracy.

Anyway, you're going off topic, and Poland still has majority support for EU membership.

Even Morawiecki said today that there will be no 'Polexit'.

It's quite on topic, one moment you cherish the reformation as something positive while the other second you cheer about Poles wanting to stay in the EU. It shows again lack of consistence on your part! The reformation created dissunity in europe and divided german lands to this day! With that kind of statement don't be surprised that I won't trust a word your writing about the topic at hand. Cause evidently you don't care for unity in europe truly, but for the fall of support to any non-leftist extremist government.

Why don't you make a three big hurreys or yes for north Korea? Since by your point of view they united the Korean penninsula! Which is also utter nonsense!

Hardly, since the first wasn't a break and the second won't be.


Ciemnogrod.

@jon357
The reformation was a break off, which also lead to calamity and massive dreadful wars. Putting heads of state as decision makers which they had no right to! It's like claiming that the President of Germany is the one to decide who is to become priests and where! Absurd!

I prefer to live in jasnogród thank you very much, while you can remain in darkness as long as you want. Your choice

Yeah well....if you want to put the death count as an decisive factor if something is good or bad then already the import of Christianity was an error....since then mass killings in the name of god became part of Europe's history for nearly 2 millennia....for centuries it was like "conversion or death"! Followed closely by "death to the unbelievers"....

Printing, education, the road to rights for women and democracy.


Who would you rather have making those decisions? The Borgias, Bourbons, Hapsburgs and Médicis?

Well, those countries could learn a lot from Poland.

@Bratwurst Boy
That only counts if every war in europe could be described as a crusade! George W. Bush saw invasion of Iraq as a modern crusade, while it certainly wasn't. Presidents of the U.S.A don't have that kind of authority

So if you want to talk about religious warfare, feel free to mention crusades. War of reformation was about princes and kings wanting power and decide about who marries who and who appoints bishops while people who take things literally were able to read the bible out of context in German instead of latin

@jon357
The reformation spread faster as a result of printing press, not the other way around!

Education didn't improve demographically until 19th century! Mostly it was heretical teachings spreading faster if anything

And mind I remind you that any forms of democracy were violently supressed by Protestant Prussia, Orthodox Russia and Anglican England?

Republican, democratic or free in any sense. It's a double standard coming from anyone writing like that. Glorifying the worst states in history with regards towards freedom, democracy or republicanism. Utter nonsense and political babbling

The church's inner decisions about administrative posts belong to the Pope. Not any form of Caesars or megalomaniacs.

So yeah, no and no.

It's not a matter of what I prefer, it's about how it should be regardless about my personal opinion!

Exactly.


And where?


You might, however you'd find better examples in Italy and Spain.

For example?


Let me translate those polls for you.
47% and thus majority of the Polish people think that so far the EU membership is advantageous for them, at the same time they think - it won't be in the future.

It means - let's stay just a little bit longer.
pro or contra are political terms, most people don't think that way.

It is a good and long cherished custom in the forum to provide proofs for such highly controvercial claims. Instead of using bare words, give us a link so that we can check on our own.

Be a good and reliable poster, not a liar like others here, whose nicks I will withhold for a while.

Logos without Ethos = lies.
Polls are there Eurostat is not Polish or pro-Polish. If you don't like it, it doesn't mean it is a lie.
Rather than look for exuses - deal with it.

I think that is an accurate description of current Polish attitudes.
But there will not be a Polexit any time soon and later may be too late.

Darling, I only asked you for simple proofs like a link to their website with poll results or any article which mentioned it. And you are giving me some pseudo Hamlet-like philosophy. Sorry, but it`s not what is expected from you - cut the to be in the EU or not to be crap and provide a simple link.

I see dobri brate you talk again here. Good. Gooood. Talk is cure for non-morons.

They are not that bad. If they are ruled by the enlighten Polish rule they are doing great. If they are ruled by Die Prussian Regierung they start develop ideas, bad ideas.


Are you homo?

Should it be either or should it be neutral.

Polling organisations aren't there to be pro anything.

Well, well, well. A very interesting document here. Does anyone know what this is?

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Is this what morawiecki wrote for his european law textbook? , it says certain of their provisions and if applicable. it also mentions the treaties in the preceding pragraph, therefore if there is a european judgement that is outside of the treaties it is not applicable. no one back then could have foreseen that a european court would be so politicized and so brazenly try and usurp the power of the nation state. nice try tho, back to the drawing board i guess?

@amiga500
Have to agree. That is pretty clear. I am a federalist when it comes to the law, and black and white with plain meaning is easy to understand. This actually support PiS argument and the EU could be forced to just accept things.