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President Duda rules out homo marriage in Poland as banned by the constitution


jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #91
it's all about using the frustration of losers to build a base to rob them blind while blaming on other people

That's exactly right. Trying to shift the Overton Window in an unsavoury direction. And of course stiffing the dupes who voted for them as soon as they can. The timings interesting - choosing to do this now, when everything's going wrong for them. Hopefully the failed referendum will be their swansong.

They'll certainly need a 2/3 majority in any referendum to make such a change.

Heck you can't even speak Polish.

Oddly enough, I haven't spoken any other language for a while now...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
3 May 2017 #92
They'll certainly need a 2/3 majority in any referendum to make such a change.

What they're attempting to do is to try and win a referendum so that they can claim the 2/3rds requirement in the Sejm is "not valid".

I predict the idea will be dropped as soon as the opinion polls come back showing a clear no for their idea.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 May 2017 #93
the idea will be dropped

If that occurs, it will be yet anotehr feather in PiS' cap, attesting to the government's sensitiviy to the nation's voice. Scrubbing a project that lacks sufficient public is no disgrace. On the contrary, it's a sign of poltical prudence and maturity.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
3 May 2017 #94
On the contrary, it's a sign of poltical prudence and maturity.

More accurately, it's a sign of PiS being opportunists.

By the way, if Duda is so concerned about the voice of the people, where is our referendum on the education debate? He should start by consulting the people on issues that they deem important enough to talk about, such as this one.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 May 2017 #95
binary choice

What if 35% are for, 30% against and the rest not interested or undecided?
jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #96
Then they wouldn't have a 2/3 majority if the margin was so small.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 May 2017 #97
2/3 majority

A 4/5 majority would be better for constituional reform. That post-commie scrap of paper really needs to be repalced with a proper constitution reflecting the goals and values of patriotic Catholic Poland. Those who don't like it are free to emigrate.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
3 May 2017 #98
his father was a Belorusian

It must be a bitter disappointment that he wasn't burnt alive for the sin of having a non-Polish parent....
jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #99
A 4/5 majority would be better for constituional reform

That won't happen. Most people here are happy with the Constitution of the Third Republic and don't want Kaczynski's 'fourth republic'. Nor is there any real appetite for a theocracy.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 May 2017 #100
non-Polish parent

A Soviet ciitzen and NKVD member in the late 1930s and an AK crusher in the PRL Soviet-installed puppet state. Obviously it rubbed off on Włod who did not join some normal party but stayed close to the block. Again more proof of the kind of people that ruled the roost as a result of failed lustration.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
3 May 2017 #101
It is a high time to change the constitution.
jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #104
He should start by consulting the people on issues that they deem important enough to talk about, such as this one.

Because he (Kaczynski not the puppet Duda) knows the national debate would hugely weaken them. They know the end is coming and a referendum is basically their last attempt to distract from their decline.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
3 May 2017 #105
Are you into melodrama. You have lost your calling you should became a playwright.
jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #106
The cold hard truth, I-S. The regime is collapsing and this referendum is part of that. They're trying to keep the failed idea of a 'fourth republic' alive in case they get back in office after a future election.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
3 May 2017 #107
Nah jon, wishful thinking that all there is. You don't feel plus of the people in Poland. PiS might have enough spunk to win the next election.
jon357 63 | 15,214
3 May 2017 #108
You don't feel plus of the people in Poland

More than you think and more than you do. Things turned the corner a while ago, and a referendum about Kaczynski's failed 'fourth republic' is a few steps beyond the beginning of the end.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
4 May 2017 #109
That post-commie scrap of paper really needs to be repalced with a proper constitution reflecting the goals and values of patriotic Catholic Poland.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the head of longterm resident foreigners were told to get citizenship or get out?
jalleluja123 2 | 6
6 May 2017 #110
@Harry

No you don't: it's completely obvious why he thinks about gay men so often.

From my life experience, I learned that some of the most vocal homophobes were closeted repressed gay guys themselves.
jgrabner 1 | 71
8 Nov 2017 #111
[moved from]

The actual wording of law is mostly only important in criminal law, but in constitutional law, the law is what (in the case of Poland) the TK says it is. The TK weighed in on this matter in 2011 and opined that a law legalizing same-sex partnerships with (almost) the same benefits as a marriage would co stanowi naruszenie obowiązku szczególnej ochrony małżeństwa, jako trwałego związku heteroseksualnego, meaning that the court attributes a marriage to be a heterosexual union.

ordoiuris.pl/rodzina-i-malzenstwo/opinia-sadu-najwyzszego-w-sprawie-projektu-ustawy-o-zwiazkach-partnerskich

Marriage being defined as a union between a man and a woman is also the prevailing interpretation from legal scholars, e.g. : określa małżeństwo jako związek kobiety i mężczyzny., i.e. it requires it without ambiguity.

Konstytucja Rzeczypospolitej wypracowania24.pl/wos/2904/konstytucja-rp-art-18

Another legal scholar comes to the same conclusion by analyzing the supporting material that was released before the 1997 referendum. The text was chosen with the: intencja wykluczenia prawnej instytucjonalizacji związków osób tej samej płci, so with specific intention to exclude same-sex couples from this institution.

ordoiuris.pl/rodzina-i-malzenstwo/malzenstwo-jako-zwiazek-kobiety-i-mezczyzny-o-niektorych-implikacjach-art-18

To summarize: it is not only defined that a marriage is a union between a man and a woman, it is even - in the opinion of the supreme court - a violation of the constitution to create a law granting the privileges of marriage to other form of cohabitation, even when using another name.
pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Feb 2020 #112
But in a recent interview he declared: "I would consider signing the law legalising homosexual civil partnerships." He also added that LGBT people often visit him in his presidential palace and he feels it is OK.

First LGBT visits. Next, civil partnerships. Then, homosexual marriages. Finally, LGBT is widely accepted in Poland. Avalanche, once moved, won`t be stopped.

Remember and enlighten future generations! It was Andrzej Duda who started it.

natemat.pl/298343,andrzej-duda-dla-wprost-rozwazylbym-podpis-ustawy-o-zwiazkach-partnerskich



Lyzko 25 | 7,139
3 Feb 2020 #113
Poland, though an arch-Catholic country, is curiously behind other Catholic nations in this respect!
I'm thinking here of Spain:-)
pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Feb 2020 #114
But President Andrzej Duda is going to catch up. With Spain and others!
HA!
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
3 Feb 2020 #115
Promises, promises:-)
pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Feb 2020 #116
No, not this time. Just look at the photo above. They will make a poster of it which will be printed in million copies and pasted all over the country!
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
3 Feb 2020 #117
Not his best picture either.
pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Feb 2020 #118
It is not the easthetic value which matters here. It is the symbolicism which does! Those colourful stripes are like rays of the awakened sun! The Sun of the Nation is rising! It will encompass all people in Poland, then on Earth! They will unite and sing Kumbaya together.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
3 Feb 2020 #119
Fancy words, paw, too fancy for me.
pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Feb 2020 #120
Come on, try to feel this magnificent atmosphere. New Deal is being born on our eyes and you don`t get it?

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