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Refused Poland's citizenship from Polish president, what to do now?


singh gill 1 | 4
7 Jun 2015  #1
i just got my Polish citizenship application refused latter from president office..i dont know what to do now maybe i should apply again after few months coz maybe i have shorter stay time in Poland i had finished 3 and half years in Poland so maybe i should wait till i finish at least 4years here..i have polish permanent resident card from 6months...what is ur opinions guys...thanks
Gosc123456
7 Jun 2015  #2
What do you want US to do? Your naturalization got refused and it can as the Polish administration have the right to decide. You have to accept fact. It is not automatic and Poland does not owe you anything. Citizenship is not important, what matters is to have the right to live and to work.
Looker - | 1,022
7 Jun 2015  #3
Do you have a permanent residence permit? For how long? And did you applied for citizenship on the basis of your residency?
Polsyr 6 | 769
7 Jun 2015  #4
I know someone who applied through the office of the president 9 times. 8 rejections and approval upon 9th attempt.

However, since you have a PR, what difference does citizenship make to you? You can always wait a few more years and apply through a standard procedure (I don't know if it is 5 or 10 years after PR).
OP singh gill 1 | 4
7 Jun 2015  #5
i have permanent resident for 10years...im married with Polish girl from almost 4years and im have one kid.im living in Poland from 3and half years...
Polsyr 6 | 769
7 Jun 2015  #6
In this case, once you have had your PR for 2 years (assuming you reside in Poland) you can apply for citizenship per standard procedure, no need to go through president's office.
JoeDa
12 Jul 2015  #7
@ singh gill. How long did you wait to get the refusal letter from the president?
mangat
10 Aug 2015  #8
is there any chance to apply woijwoda without pasing language test ?anybody got any information?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
10 Aug 2015  #9
You can apply directly to the President, but your chances of success are very slim.

It's only B1, come on.
mangat
11 Aug 2015  #10
Hi mr polsyr how are you can you plz explain me about standard procedure without going to presedent what does it means ?i have PR more then 2yrs now?waiting for your answer
Polsyr 6 | 769
11 Aug 2015  #11
procedure

I don't know which procedure would apply to your case (on what basis you were granted PR). Information about this subject is available in English on many official websites.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
11 Aug 2015  #12
Hi mr polsyr how are you can you plz explain me about standard procedure without going to presedent what does it means ?

B1 (or higher) certificate in Polish, plus all the same requirements as when you originally applied for permanent residence.
busuyiguy - | 4
28 Mar 2016  #13
Merged: Citizenship Denied

I applied for Polish citizenship through the president office last night, after living in Poland for 10 years and i am married for 6 years with 3 kids, but i was denied, do you think i can apply again for Polish citizenship?? P:s I have permanent stay card already for 4 years.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #14
If you've lived here for 10 years, married for 6 and can document everything you've been doing, you should apply for naturalisation through the Urzad Wójewodzki.

You only need to pass the B1 exam in Polish, which should be easy for anyone that's lived here for 10 years.
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #15
With a more nationalist government, it should come as no surprise that Polish citizenship would now be granted or recognized more narrowly. Poland does not want to become like Belgium or France. There are enough ethnic Poles, or historically Polish related Slavic minorities that will now be favored. No reason to grant Polish citizenship to anti-Polonist Brits, racist African colonialists, etc. simply because they can pass some test to collect another passport.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,414
28 Mar 2016  #16
I also seen no point in granting citizenship to foreigners, EU Citizens already have the right to be resident in Poland, the Visa and resident system works well for people outside the EU, this system works well in Dubai and other countries.

Why does Poland need foreign citizens?,
Sparks11 - | 335
28 Mar 2016  #17
I kind of agree here. If you have permanent residency, why bother? Of course a Polish passport might allow you some extra things, maybe some banking and investing would be easier but as a foreigner, you can't expect everything. Permanent residency allows you to basically do what you want in Poland.
busuyiguy - | 4
28 Mar 2016  #18
Yes you are right, i can basically do most things, i invited my mother 4 times, she was given 5 years visa now, i just opened a company and i can travel to many countries around Europe and United State, i was student for 6 years, Engineer degree 4 years from Pwr and Masters 2 years from Kozminski Warszawa.

I just thought no harm done getting citizenship, that is why i've decided to applied for it, anyway, i will go for the exam and apply through Urzad Wójewodzki when i have free time.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #19
With a more nationalist government, it should come as no surprise that Polish citizenship would now be granted or recognized more narrowly.

Perhaps you would be wise to understand the difference in applying via the President and applying for naturalisation via the provincial administration. The two are not the same, and this guy being refused from the President is nothing remarkable. The Presidential route is intended for those that are outstanding in their field - it's not meant for ordinary Joe. Nothing has changed from the previous administration in this respect.

I also seen no point in granting citizenship to foreigners

Imagine if the same had been said about you? Would you liked to have lived in the UK, always being the 'foreigner' because you couldn't get British citizenship?

Why does Poland need foreign citizens?,

If you want to follow that line, you might as well take citizenship away from many lazy, unproductive Polish citizens too.
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #20
Anyone who is not Polish, has no "right" to Polish citizenship. It is worth writing to the present Polish government to address this issue.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #21
The present Polish government has no interest in 'addressing' this issue, because the law is rigorous and sufficient enough in the current implementation. Anyone that cannot clearly document their integration into Polish society/prove their value isn't getting citizenship.

However, the government would be well advised to break the 'chain' of citizenship. Someone that has no connection to Poland beyond a smattering of anglicised English words and some folk stories should not be receiving Polish citizenship.

Might also not be a terrible idea to introduce the concept of banning dual citizenship. That would certainly reduce the amount of passport tourists who simply want the benefits of EU citizenship.
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #22
Considering the hostility of the Brits here, including one who now claims dual Polish-British citizenship, and another who wants to have the same status, to the present Polish government, it is clearly desirable from the government's POV to prohibit British dual nationals from voting in Polish national elections. Rather than feeding the trolls, it is far better to write to those in power about the matter.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #23
You haven't thought about it very well, have you?

The rules apply equally to everyone. That means that more nationalist-leaning Ukrainians will also have a longer route to citizenship, which means that the current government also lose their votes. It also means that any members of the Polonia that aren't able to get Polish citizenship will also face a longer and more difficult route to citizenship, hence it'll take longer to get their votes.

The idea of prohibiting any single group from voting in elections is frankly nonsense. Incidentally, dolnoslask who posts above is a dual national and considers himself Polish - I suppose you also want to strip him of his voting rights, as well as the many US Polonia who can vote?
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #24
Traditionally, Poland has considered Poles who were born with a second citizenship to be exclusively Poles, while those who acquire Polish citizenship by naturalization were required to renounce their previous citizenship. The Brits have some crazy law that permits British citizens who renounce British citizenship to regain it, so that de facto, no renunciation of British citizenship occurs. So special rules might be required to frustrate British duplicity and insincere citizenship requests. Nothing about that would affect Poles born abroad, who would remain Polish citizens from birth with the right of return to take jobs from anti-Polonist E.U. citizens, e.g., English teachers.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #25
Traditionally, Poland has considered Poles who were born with a second citizenship to be exclusively Poles, while those who acquire Polish citizenship by naturalization were required to renounce their previous citizenship.

That hasn't been the case for many, many years. Poland considering those with dual citizenship to be exclusively Poles is normal, and in line with international agreements on dual citizenship.

Nothing about that would affect Poles born abroad, who would remain Polish citizens from birth with the right of return to take jobs from anti-Polonist E.U. citizens, e.g., English teachers.

For some reason, I detect some bitterness from you about such people. Is it connected to being required to obtain a work permit while those with superior citizenships don't require one? ;)

Anyway, it's a moot issue. The government has no intention of changing the rules, and the current rules grant citizenship automatically to those that meet the requirements.
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #26
Anyway, it's a moot issue.

No, anyone concerned about foreigners, who are hostile to traditional Polish values and culture, casually acquiring Polish citizenship should write to the present government to express his or her concerns.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,414
28 Mar 2016  #27
Delp "The same had been said about you? Would you"

Why would i want British citizenship, nobody in my family or I have ever applied for British citizenship it was forced upon us after the betrayal at Yalta.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947

I have in my possession a document from the UK border agency to prove this very fact,

" take citizenship away from many lazy, unproductive Polish citizens too."

This is exactly your problem Delph you see yourself as someone who is above the Polish people you are trying to dictate tour libtard values on others trying to force them to fall in line under what you believe to be right.

You know what Delph, you are a loser with a capital L, many here have a measure of what you are.

I don't think the president would grant you citizenship for one second.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
28 Mar 2016  #28
Why would i want British citizenship, nobody in my family or I have ever applied for British citizenship it was forced upon us after the betrayal at Yalta.

How was it forced upon you? You could easily have remained stateless. You obviously benefited from having the superior British passport for many years - so why would you want to deny others?

This is exactly your problem Delph you see yourself as someone who is above the Polish people you are trying to dictate tour libtard values on others trying to force them to fall in line under what you believe to be right.

I'm merely pointing out the lunacy of trying to apply arbitrary criteria to decide who is worthy of citizenship and who isn't.

Any country should be happy to have citizens that can document a clear contribution to their society, which is what Poland requires. I'm also against granting citizenship easily, and I'd like to see a requirement for volunteering put into the law. Someone that wants Polish citizenship should be required to complete a large amount of volunteering before it can be granted - the same should apply regardless if it's by descent or by naturalisation.

I'm sure you'd agree that requiring at least 500 hours of proven volunteering (it's about what, 12 weeks of full time volunteering?) would be a positive step forwards and proof that such a person is giving back what he/she is getting.

No, anyone concerned about foreigners, who are hostile to traditional Polish values and culture, casually acquiring Polish citizenship should write to the present government to express his or her concerns.

No-one "casually" obtains Polish citizenship, except perhaps a few sports figures (and that practice was largely stopped by the previous government after the nonsense of Polish players not speaking Polish was revealed). If you think that having to show at least 5 years of work in Poland, as well as undergoing at least three detailed background checks among other things is "casual", then you're mistaken.

Having said all this, I'd like to see time spent 'studying' in Poland not to count towards permanent residency, and I'd also like the see the monetary requirements tightened up considerably for students.
The Saffer
28 Mar 2016  #29
I don't think the president would grant you citizenship for one second.

No, he wouldn't. The president should also have the power to withhold citizenship, especially due to security concerns, as a constitutional power.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,414
28 Mar 2016  #30
Delph You obviously benefited from having the superior British passport for many years,This proves you are a British xenophobe I rest my case.

A passport does not maketh a man be it Polish or British, only hard work and a drive to do better is the true passport to success, whatever country you come from


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