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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Apr 2017 #2,431
survival

Some prefer the survival of the POO style post-commie set-up. Each to their own!
mafketis 24 | 9,372
4 Apr 2017 #2,432
Anything goes means no morals, no ethics, no restraint, no right and wrong,

Isn't that what the Church said when it was persecuting Galileo?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Apr 2017 #2,433
Anything goes means no morals, no ethics, no restraint, no right and wrong, only money talks, might makes right, the survival of the fittest and a dog eat dog world.

That really does sound exactly like PiS. They're lacking morals and ethics (the huge payouts from state-owned companies to unqualified, inexperienced Party members says it all), they've had zero restraint even in the face of large amounts of opposition, they believe that they are right, money talks (hence the large amounts funnelled to that priest in Torun), and they believe that a thin majority gives them the right to dismantle the Polish state.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Apr 2017 #2,434
The arrogance of PiS knows no limits. After the crushing defeat in the Legionowo referendum where 94.27% of voters rejected the plan by PiS to forcibly merge their town with Warsaw, the provincial governor is blocking the publication of the results.

fakty.interia.pl/mazowieckie/news-wojewoda-nie-chce-opublikowac-wynikow-referendum-w-legionowi,nId,2377789

We now have the serious situation that PiS are blocking democracy by refusing to publish the results, which means that the same could occur again in local elections next year. It seems that with the polls turning against them in a considerable way, they're now resorting to undemocratic and authoritarian methods - which is exactly what we said would happen.

I eagerly await Comrade Polonius' excuse as to why the results cannot be published immediately.
mafketis 24 | 9,372
4 Apr 2017 #2,435
After the crushing defeat in the Legionowo referendum where 94.27% of voters rejected the plan by PiS to forcibly merge their town with Warsaw

Roundtable! Michnik's a dirty Jew! SB! Wałęsa and the boat! (sorry I was just channeling polly and wondering what mental gymnastics he would use to justify this.... nah, he'll just ignore it and go on about his usual bogeymen).
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Apr 2017 #2,436
Hahaha!

No doubt the 94% of voters in Legionowo who voted against being incorporated into Warsaw are simply the children of SB and all the other insults used by PiS towards anyone that doesn't support them.

It's quite amazing how all these old Communists turned into PiS supporters, isn't it?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Apr 2017 #2,437
turned into PiS supporters, isn't it?

Is that why POO has more ex-commies and TW snitches in their ranks than any party except SLD?
mafketis 24 | 9,372
4 Apr 2017 #2,438
in their ranks

So... no justification for Legionowo? Waiting for Jarek to tell you what to think?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Apr 2017 #2,439
he Polish state

You mean the post-commie state aka the roundtable clique. Yes, PiS want to dismantle the hand-washes-hand conspiracy of the roundtablers and their stooges who jumped on the bandwagon and milked the country for all it was worth. Isn't it high time to start thinking about the majority that lost out on transformation because the KOR/PZPR gang had taken all the goodies for themselves?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 Apr 2017 #2,440
So... no justification for Legionowo? Waiting for Jarek to tell you what to think?

...tumbleweed.

Not even a cursory attempt to pretend that it's acceptable to refuse to publish the results of a democratic referendum.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Apr 2017 #2,441
Not even a cursory attempt

Maybe you have nothing better to do or you're a POO spy paid to closely follow every government word and provide Schetyna with more PiS-bashing ammo. Frankly I do not follow every local incident that comes along and the Legionowo business is one of them. When POO was ignoring dozens of TK rulings I do not recall a single incident making GW headlines as in: POO ignores yet another TK ruling. As a matter of fact, no-one recalls you ever attacking POO for some infraction or blunder and over 8 years there were plenty of them.
weg05
5 Apr 2017 #2,442
You ignore democracy when it suits you?
mafketis 24 | 9,372
5 Apr 2017 #2,443
or you're a POO spy

You're a **** supporter who supports ideas like the rule of law or democracy only when it suits the **** leadership.
mafketis 24 | 9,372
5 Apr 2017 #2,444
Let me try again,

You're a РiSS supporter who supports ideas like the rule of law or democracy only when it suits the РiSS leadership.

Yes that's accurate now.
Harry
5 Apr 2017 #2,445
When POO was ignoring dozens of TK rulings I do not recall a single incident making GW headlines as in: POO ignores yet another TK ruling.

Yes, there's a very simple reason for that. Despite what Radio Maybach and TVP-iS now claim, the PO-led coalition didn't ignore TK rulings, instead they abandoned the parts of the laws which the TK ruled to be unconstitution, as the TK, back when it wasn't led by an illegally appointed government loyalist, made clear. And because the thing you refer to simply did not happen, GW didn't report it. GW have a policy of only reporting about things which did actually happen, which is one of the reason they rejected job applications from certain people.

the РiSS leadership

It's never occurred to me, but it's highly probably that if the Nazis had won WWII, most of the persons you refer to would have wanted to join the SS.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Apr 2017 #2,446
ignore democracy

POO certianly did when they illegally occupied the Sejm for a month and tried to prevent officials from despatching their duties, breaking laws and parliamentary regulations alike.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Apr 2017 #2,447
never would have exited communism peacefully.

Communism had become bankrupt and there was no reforming it. The leadership of the PZPR and their two million stooges saw the writing on the wall and struck a deal: impunity despite their crimes and a free hand in the economy for the commie side and a free hand in politics for the leftist disssidents. Naturally it was prettied up with an attarctive narration: Polish workers and intellectuals joined forces to carry out the peaceful overthrow of communism.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Apr 2017 #2,448
would have wanted to join the SS.

Most of the jump-on-the-bandwagon and get ahead types now with PO, Petru and Kijowski might do, becuase their only ideal is me, myself and I", But with the KOR-GW faction that would be a problem. Your speculation as what wold be if Germanyhad won is assinine and in the LL mode, If the Gemrans had won the war they surely would not have changed their ideology to accept Jews and Slavs as equals.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Apr 2017 #2,449
The UK now regards Poland as a potential security threat. Unbelievable.

[natemat.pl/205365,macierewicz-najwiekszy-przyjaciel-rosji-po-tym-co-robil-w-wolnej-polsce-raport-mi-6-nie-jest-zadnym-zaskoczeniem

"Poland falls into the hands of Russia and is becoming a threat to Europe,"

How can *anyone* support this? Polonius and the other PiS lovers - do you really not see anything wrong with this situation? I want Poland to have strong defence capabilities, I'm sure you do as well, but the complete chaos in the armed services and even stories coming out of severe problems within GROM - is this what you want?

If you care about Poland, you'll drop your pretences and demand his resignation too. There are plenty of people within PiS with experience in the defence industry, there are plenty of retired generals with NATO experience that could do an effective job and so on.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
6 Apr 2017 #2,451
Isn't that what the Church said when it was persecuting Galileo?

They said you gonna burn baby. If all those neo-Marxist ill doers met the same fate...

Michnik's

Honestly there is no much good that can be said about him.

How can

What a HS! Only a total ignoramus of what's what in Poland could buy into it. who wrote that opinion for M6 - "Kim" Philby? Really?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,452
severe problems

Ever heard of growing pains? The mess left by the PO requires lots of work to set things straight. Things botched up over a quarter of a century cannot be rectified overnight. Errors may occur, but only he makes no mistakes who does nothing. The number of red brass, SB types and their TW stooges that made it right through from PRL to III RP was staggering. Komorowski's defence of the WSI was highly disconcerting.
Harry
6 Apr 2017 #2,453
The mess left by the PO requires lots of work to set things straight.

What mess did PO leave in the armed forces that Macierewicz needed to set straight? Poland's armed forces were highly respected. Note the choice of tense there.

Things botched up over a quarter of a century cannot be rectified overnight.

There certainly was a lot botched the last time PIS's hands were on the levers of power.

Errors may occur

Errors will certainly occur in far larger numbers when people are given posts in state-controlled companies for which they are entirely unqualified in any meaningful way; note that unquestioning loyalty to The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski is not a qualification needed for any taxpayer-funded post.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,454
botched up over a quarter of a century

First of all POO and their predecessors left the army full of Soviet-trained PZPR-appointed officers. Bur rant all you want, POO is a ghost from the past, a has-been, a joke of history now firmly planted where it belongs -- in its bin. Fortuantely today's young people are by and large opposed to the soft on commies POO, Petru, SLD, PSL, UW, UD... Their heroes are no longer such cosmopolitan scum as MTV, Hendrix, Nirvana or Che Guevara, but the Doomed Soldiers. Poland's cultural community has risen to the occasion by producing feature flms, TV series, books even rock and rap numbers extolling the Żołnierze Wyklęci. Companies selling T-shirts and jackets with Żołnierze Wyklęci, Polska Walcząca, Łupaszka, Wołyń, Katyń, etc. are doing a booming business. So get with it. Get a feel for the new Poland. Stop living in the rotten, decadent past.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
6 Apr 2017 #2,455
Poland's armed forces were highly respected.

Too many general officers with cushy office jobs, soviet mentality and soviet trained. Good they're gone. That is actually a good job that Maciarewicz need to be prised for.
mafketis 24 | 9,372
6 Apr 2017 #2,456
Fortuantely today's young people are by and large opposed to the soft on commies POO

I deal with young adults all the time and if you think most of them are following the РiSS party, then you're really mistaken.

Especially, the spectacular failure of PıSS in its addlebrained scheme to oust Tusk was seen as a major embarrassment to the country internationally.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,457
oust Tusk

There is no love lost between young Poles and Tusk -- to them he is the symbol of of the system, the outfit, the roundtable clique, the head scamster, one of the reasons a uni grad cannot find work in his field and has to man the check-out, stuff letterboxes with handbills or emigrate. Macierewicz is viewed by many young people as a Polish romantic, a knight crusading for the downtrodden and underprivileged and totally committed to Poland's defence and security. You'll notice I didn't say Kaczyński, because he lacks the charisma,spark and zing of Macierewicz. But he is a great strategist. In PiS everyone is posted where they can do their best for Poland.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Apr 2017 #2,458
There is no love lost between young Poles and Tusk

Really? Quite the opposite, as PO lost their way after he left, partially because he could speak their language and Kopacz couldn't.

Macierewicz is viewed by many young people as a Polish romantic, a knight crusading for the downtrodden and underprivileged and totally committed to Poland's defence and security.

Er, Polly... could you *please* try and stop posting such propaganda? Macierewicz is loathed by huge segments of society, with 57% calling for his dismissal. Most young people see how he put an unqualified boy in a prime position and lavished him with money and privileges.

In PiS everyone is posted where they can do their best for Poland.

Really? So why have PiS filled up endless positions with cronies rather than the best person for the job? I mean, if they were to do their best for Poland, a nurse should remain a nurse and shouldn't be appointed to the board of large state-owned companies, right?

I just wonder what excuses you're going to come up with when PiS lose power.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,459
PO lost their

I was speaking of young Poles not the PO młodzieżówka. Young Poles are not much into party politics and judge people by other criteria. We're talkign those who will don a Wołyń, Polska Walcząca or Żołnierz wyklęty T-shirt, celebrate patriotic occasions, and root themselves hoarse for Biało-Czerwoni at sporting events. The perceived anti-Polishness, globalism and multi-culti cosmopolitanism of PO rubs these people the wrong way, since they can best identify with "Poland for Poles". Whether you like it or not, Macierewicz exudes an aura of unbridled patriotism combined with a touch of mystery and is able to rattle the status quo clique whom the young despise.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,460
loathed by huge segments

Your choice of adjectives is reminisicent of your hyperbolic "countless" ex-commies and TW types you claimed to be in PiS, until it turned out there was only Piotrowicz and later the ambassdor to Germany. The "huge" segments are all in the losers' camp so they don't count for much. Cry-babying and belly-aching plus sour grapes thrown in for good measure!

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