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Poland's post-election political scene


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Apr 2017 #2,461
Polly, why are you trying to pretend that Macierewicz is anything but incompetent and useless?

Even the opinion polls show his approval ratings to be as low as 26% - people simply don't like him, which is why he was hidden away during the election campaign. He's causing untold amounts of problems in the armed forces, and what about the helicopters? He cancelled a tender for 50 heavy lift helicopters, and now the MON is saying that they will order 16 Black Hawks instead, which aren't fit for purpose and are far less than originally planned.

Don't you also find it strange that he's surrounding himself with young uneducated boys? At least the new spokeswoman for the MON appears to be actually capable and educated.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
6 Apr 2017 #2,462
are you trying to pretend that Macierewicz is anything but incompetent and useless?

He actually has done Poland a good service by dissolving WSI and recently by kicking out some Soviet scum, so called generals.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Apr 2017 #2,463
You think removing highly qualified, experienced soldiers with combat experience and a good understanding of the Russian mentality is a good idea at this time?

Surreal. It's amazing how people are so blinded by ideology that they're willing to compromise Poland's defence in the process.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
6 Apr 2017 #2,464
You know nothing about their qualification nor do you care. You just use it as an excuse to undermining political party you are opposing.

You talking an utter tripe that is actually harmful to Poland's interests. Nothing new there.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Apr 2017 #2,465
You know nothing about their qualification

I know everything about their qualifications - mainly that many of them don't actually have any relevant qualifications, or in the case of #misiewicz, none at all.

As I said, at least the new spokeswoman is a real soldier with a good grasp of foreign affairs and has plenty of good, solid qualifications under her belt.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
6 Apr 2017 #2,466
Misiewicz is not a soldier and never pretended to be one. It is so dumb that someone even have an issue with him.
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"I know everything about their qualifications "
Why would you claim that they are experienced and good combat officers whereas nothing is further from the truth.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Apr 2017 #2,467
Why would you claim that they are experienced and good combat officers whereas nothing is further from the truth.

Really? Which officers are you referring to, then?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Apr 2017 #2,468
so blinded

I deal with young adults

Probably "ministerial kids", part of the roundtable bandwagon. The young are generally opposed to all the parties -- the most fed-up with postcommie Poland support Kukiz and Korwin out of spite.

Tusk is far shrewder and craftier than the POO activists in Poland who are so blinded by their hatred for PiS that it as addled their brains. Tusk prudently had them call off the pro-Tusk rally which was to have been held on 10th April not far from the official Smolensk commemoration. If it had gone ahead, it would have amounted to shooting Tusk in the foot, placing him on the opposite side of the barricade to those mourning their loved ones. There's a Polish sayng: Najpierw pomyśl, to nic nie kosztuje. Instead, POO act first and think and lick their wounds later.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
7 Apr 2017 #2,469
Probably "ministerial kids", part of the roundtable bandwagon.

For a supposed supporter of the Polish people you sure do despise an awful lot of Poles. Why is that? And no, they're definitely not "ministerial kids" like the JK was at their age.

those mourning their loved ones

Please, mourning loved ones is the farthest thing from the minds of РiSS afficionados.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,470
incompetent and useless

To every patriotic Pole Macierewicz symbolises a Poland free of SB snitches and PZPR holdovers. Wałęsa's 1992 parliamentary putsch was the main cause of today's bipolar Poland. The problem of who is who should have been resolved in the early 90s and be done with. By impeding de-communisation a generation of Poles have been subjected to unproductive mudslinging between status quo defenders like yourself and reformers seeking a clean slate to start over from scratch.

Even your comment about "uneducated" boys betrays your love of status quo stagnation. We've got experts so let's stop at that--you seem to be saying. No need to give new candidates any hands-on experience. Let's just keep the same old, tired and worn-out oldboy "specialists" 'cause they know the ropes.

Macierewicz has generated untold fear of exposure and hatred by the GW crowd with family KPP connections as well as the snitcher/PZPR association. It's not surprising that those with things on their conscience wanted bygones to be bygones ASAP but that has only petrified the issue which is living a life of its own 28 years on and will continue for a generaiton or more. And why? To save the backsides of roundtable clique members and their bandwagon stooges.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,471
"ministerial kids"

That term applies to those who after 1989 came from good KPP-linked, PZPR, crypto-PZPR or pro-PZPR homes and became part of the roundtable system. That someone doing the PZPR's bidding (demanding Bishop Kaczmarek's conviction on trumped-up espionage charges in a rigged stalinist show trial) could become the head of the first "non-communist" government is incredible. But GW-style propaganda backed by both sides of the PZPR/KOR equation churned out round-the-clock peans extolling and glamourising a Catholic (?) journalist, first post-war non-communidst PM, Solidarity strike adviser, etc. I'll wager you didn't even know of the useful idiot role played by Mazowiecki in the PZPR's bid to frame Kaczmarek or when he travelled to the Vatican with Wielowieyski to snitch on and badmouth Cardinal Wyszyński. BTW Wielowieyjski's daughter is an ambitious careeer journalist, TVN stalwarth and status quo defender, who obviously does not want her dad's ignominious role publicised.

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mafketis 24 | 9,374
7 Apr 2017 #2,472
To every patriotic Pole Macierewicz symbolises a Poland free of SB snitches and PZPR holdovers

All 26% of the population? Why are there so few patriotic Poles? As a non-Pole yourself, how do you account for the over 70 % of the population that is not patriotic?
Harry
7 Apr 2017 #2,473
Wałęsa's 1992 parliamentary putsch

Why do you hate democracy so much? A minority government failing a confidence vote is simply not a putsch, no matter what Radio Maybach claims to the contrary.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,474
not a putsch

The key is WHY they did it. Watch "Nocna zmiana" -- it tells the story of conspirators shaking in their boots that their nefarious activities would be exposed and plotting in a back room on how they would nip de-communisation in the bud. And every one of the conspriators had commie-connections to hide: Kuroń, Wałęsa, Moczulski, Kwaśniewski, Pawlak and all the rest.

the minds of РiSS afficionados.

Since you claim to know all about how their minds work, you must be one of them yourself.

minds of РiSS afficionados.

mafketis 24 | 9,374
7 Apr 2017 #2,475
Since you claim to know all about how their minds work, you must be one of them yourself.

You write about them so much you must be a PO lover!

it tells the story of conspirators

So, it's a fantasy! Okay, but why take it so seriously then?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,476
opinion polls

Interesting how you claim opinion polls are inconclusive and not very reliable when the reuslts go against your own preferences, but you eagerly cite them when they indulge your whims. What's the proper term here: bias, one-sidedness, duplicity, hypocrisy? Take your pick!

Macierewicz has been singled out for the most virulent, unrelenting, decades-long villificaton campaign even more so than Kaczyński, and thta has obviously affected poll results. He has been closely associated with the police files which theatend to expose the dirty little secrets of today's opposition who thought they would rule forever. Instead, they have landed in hte dust bin of history from which they will probably never arise.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,477
blocking democracy

No-one is blocking the democratic process more than Warsaw's Witch-Mayor Gronkowiec. Not only has she been responsible for one of the hugest scams in post-commie and POO history, in which her fmaily has directly benefited, but she has placed the blame on underlings, sacked some of them and refuses to testify when summoned. All along shre was either ill or on holiday or just pulleda no-show, much the way her guru Gen Jabberwocky did and managed to evade incarceration right down to the grave. But eventually she will slip up and we shall thankfully see the screechy, nasal-voiced b*tch w pierdlu.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,478
Kaczyński

During today's Schetyna mud-slinging festival which BTW cost the taxpayer 1.3 million zł, the Sejm rejected his motion to become PM and create his own government. But he rambled on for an hour doing what he does best: no programme, no constructive ideas, just pure, unadulterated PiS-bashing.

Kaczyński rightly noted before the vote that Agniezska Holland may be an outstanding film director but not a great politician. He quoted her as saying "I want things to be as they were." That's what all the status quo defenders want -- reversion to post-commie Poland. But a re-run of POO misgovernment is not in the works. And thank goodness for that!

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Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
7 Apr 2017 #2,479
But he rambled on for an hour doing what he does best: no programme, no constructive ideas, just pure, unadulterated PiS-bashing.

But this is his right executed under the umbrella of democracy. As a member of parliament he is entitled to such an action. What did you really expect ? That our Great Leader Jarosław Kaczyński would step up and tell him: we don't like you here, we don't like PiS-bashing, you are speaking for too long and talking rubbish and if you don't stop right now, I will call the police to take you out of the House! Don't be silly, Polly. These things are perfectly normal and you should know it having been brought up in Amerca.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Apr 2017 #2,480
talking rubbish

Nobody said talking rubbish was illegal, but it reflects badly on the one who has only rubbish to speak about. Someone hot for the PM's chair should at least present a coherent game plan and not just thrash his politicl opponents. His presntation was chaotic and disjointed just like the codswallop of other POO activists, and it cost the Polish taxpayer 1.3 million złotys.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Apr 2017 #2,481
Kaczyński

The latest CBOS preference poll shows PiS with 37% support (the same as in the 2015 election), PO trailing 11 points behind (26%), Kukiz 9% and Petru (the self-declared leader of the opposition) just on the borderline with a mere 5%.

Anyone know how that would translate into parliamentary seats?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Apr 2017 #2,482
PiS

Misiewicz just got the sack. His PiS membership has been suspended. All of PF's chronic PiS-bashers should applaud Jarek for his deicson. The mills of PiS justice grind slowly but inevitably.
NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
12 Apr 2017 #2,483
@Polonius3
Leftards won't applaud to anything that is Poland centric.
cms 9 | 1,271
12 Apr 2017 #2,484
I applaud that decision.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
12 Apr 2017 #2,485
Misiewicz just got the sack.

For what exactly? A bad press?
jon357 66 | 17,040
12 Apr 2017 #2,486
I applaud that decision.

Most people here seem to and Jaro simply couldn't get away with it since he doesn't yet control all the media.

Hard to understand how they thought a state-owned company paying Macierewicz's young 'friend', a twenty-something with unexceptional educational attainment and very little work history, 50,000pln per month would slip under the radar.

Interesting to know how much more of this PiS has been up to and how many more similar revelations are to come.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Apr 2017 #2,487
Interesting to know how much more of this PiS has been up to and how many more similar revelations are to come.

This is just the beginning. Jarek obviously snapped when he saw the headlines, but there's still plenty more #misiewicze out there to be weeded out.

The surreal thing here is that Macierewicz thought he could get away with it, when even most PiS supporters can't stand the boy.
jon357 66 | 17,040
12 Apr 2017 #2,488
The surreal thing here is that Macierewicz thought he could get away with it

He has always but always very much had his own take on reality.


  • macierewicz w mlodosci
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Apr 2017 #2,489
compromise Poland's defence

Nothing compromises Poland's security and defences more than Soviet-trained generals planted in Poland's armed services. No matter how "skilled" they may appear and how glib their narration is, one can never trust them 100%. That Soviet residue remains forever.
jon357 66 | 17,040
12 Apr 2017 #2,490
compromises Poland's security and defences

Do you think Polish army officers are liars when they swear to defend Poland?

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