Poland's post-election political scene

Where's Polonius when you need him to talk about how the ordinary Polish family cannot afford huge road taxes?

More Delphinesque cry-babying (boo-hoo, sob-sob...) Schoolboys used to say: my heart pumps purple pony **** for you!

Polonius, the difference is - 140zł return isn't going to hurt me. But your "ordinary Polish families" that you love to talk about would have to think very carefully about whether or not they can afford to visit family.

Shows that your concern about "ordinary Polish families" was completely false.

After all, primary school teaching is the best paid job these days in Poland.

Unless one wants to pull an Obama and print extra paper money, priorities have to be established. Some taxes may have to be raised, others decreased to carry out the vairous social aid programmes. Some may say motoring cross country to visit family is an essential need. Someone else may feel it's more important to provide kids with free school lunches which are often their only warm meal of the day. important. We should leave it to the wisdom and compassion of the far-sighted PiS government to sort hings out rather than constatnly bellyaching nad crybabying -- a highly unproductive pastime!

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The sleaze and corruption around PiS continues to grow.

It transpires that the brother of the Foreign Minister, Witold Waszczykowski, has just so coincidentally been promoted to the position of the director of the tax control office in £ódź. The previous director was fired for... well, nothing. But PiS are all about nepotism and corruption, hence someone had to lose their job.

If he was appointed under PO he deserves to be sakced. Anyone associated with the PO bankster syndicate is a threat to the Polish nation.

Sure... they have said we will take them during 2017. That gives us a full year to come up with another dealy.
The thing is, Poland is not US, PiS cannot pull Barack Obama, and announce we are going to ignore previous government's commitments (aka anti rocket shield). By the same rule PiS cannot say that Poland is never going to adopt euro currency. Suffice to say, Poland will take euro "when we are ready". And that can take 20 years. At least.

I'm glad you've finally admitted that the real agenda behind PiS is TKM. Took you a while, but finally, we have the admission that PiS = PZPRbis.

Just for kicks, this has been floating around today.

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Zbigniew Ziobro, current Minister for Justice, said in 2013 that...


It's becoming more and more obvious that for all the talk of anti-communisation by PiS, the party has all along been a front for ex-PZPR members that wanted to regain the control they lost in 1989. It's entirely similar to Milosevic's "Anti-Bureaucratic Revolution", which was actually a front by the Yugoslav Army and Communist Party of Serbia to maintain power.

Fun and games with the złoty today...

1USD = 4.04PLN
1EUR = 4.34PLN

Excellent article here explains why the government's actions are causing the currency to have problems.

brecorder.com/markets/fxmm/europe/271123-zloty-hits-three-week-low-on-concern-over-budget-new-laws.html

A weak currency should in theory boost investment as it makes things cheaper for foreigners but people need to know where they stand before they will commit. If they want to cut the leg off, better to do it soon rather than debate and do it years later. Not much official talk from government but you'd expect it towards eur 4.50 as it will start to hurt a lot by then.

In theory, but I think the market knows fine well that this government is unpredictable and liable to slap random taxes on things without much discussion or consultation. Their plan to toll all sorts of roads will certainly hurt domestic demand, for instance.


It's veering uncomfortably close to 4.50. Even the PLN has now fallen considerably against the CZK - which is a terrible sign.

Most average Joes will always blame the current government for their woes so its likely PIS only gets one term, certainly while its one person one vote. Maybe 12-18 months before the end of their term you'll get some large speculative flows into the country/currency. While the stockmarket has largely priced in a lot of the woes on an isolated basis, the zloty might see 6.5gbp 4.5-4.75 eur before its fortunes turn. But as I say if the government does away with the uncertainty and quickly implements its anti business ideas, investment flows will recover quicker.

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Excellent column by Tomasz Lis. The amount of hatred from the PiS-controlled media and paid online trolls is hilarious - yet they've done nothing but energise him and provide him with motivation.

For one, I encourage all this hatred in the PiS-media. We've already observed how the centrist voters are very reluctant to admit not voting/voting for PiS, and the pressure is growing and growing. Keep it up, haters!

:-))))))))))))))))

I'll give you all the money I have if you can prove it with some evidence.

It's PO who has to pay for trolls and we all including yourself know about it, there is also evidence of that.

Probably both sides as bad as each other but PO always intended to keep up relations with Europe. EU money and investment is vital for Poland to growth and eventually dig itself out of pensions blackhole. Otherwise debt to GDP is ok, but still needs help to expand and remove the pensions threat. Poles dont have/dont want to invest, so money must come from abroad. Say thanks a few times, kiss a few ears, but you'll get the funds flows and that's what is important in the long run. Backing away from the EU must mean stronger ties with Russia as Poland cannot go it alone. Better the EU as more predictable.

In the times of Jaruzelski even more often phrase you could hear everyday and in his speeches on TV was Good Evening. According to your logic anyone who uses that phrase today must be a crypto-communist another phrase which sounds very outlandish and have a smell of another conspiracy theory.


That is not communist rhetoric it is rather communist regime that used national and state rhetoric to their own ends.


Hallelujah!:)


Are you an expert or just another horse-blinkered as....le taking side in a political dispute.


Do we have to read your mental shingles here? On the other hand it is not surprising that you're attracted to scum.

You've got things a*se backwards. It was PO that invented and continues to pump prime the hate industry. Poles even coined the term "platformerski przemysł nienawiści". They got away with being a do-nothign crony party for 8 years largely throuhg PiS-bashing and intimidating voters with the PiS bugbear. And Michnik's pre- and post-election warnings of "fascism" exemplify his leftist-liberal "love industry"?

I don't recall PO ever appointing a completely inexperienced 25 year old to look after the property of the Polish military, simply because he ran a club for 200 students.

Neither do I but what's wrong with giving young people a chance? In broader terms: ALL WE ARE SAYING IS "GIVE PiS A CHANCE"

The ex UK ambassador to Warsaw, Charles Crawford, has written in the Guardian newspaper forums thus:

"When I was UK Ambassador in Warsaw when the PiS-led coalition was in power from 2005-07, I was startled to be sent from No 10 a 'secret' letter to the PM from a senior UK academic familiar with Poland who warned that democracy in Poland was about to be overthrown. Shock!

I replied that it was utter drivel, a completely ignorant or mischievous misreading of what the Kaczynski twins represented and wanted.
I see that many commenters here are again making similarly fevered claims........ "

..............PiS (who have plenty of ex-Solidarity people in their ranks including J Kaczynski himself) tend to think that the 'thick line'".... (of nepotism)...... "was too generous to the former communists and their privileged children, many of whom have done impressively well in keeping senior roles in public and business life and skewing public debate in a leftist direction. They (PiS) want to recalibrate things somewhat so that Poles who do not come from that crafty self-serving communist tradition (or who have been historically disadvantaged) get a better chance. Hence moves now to clean out a range of people from eg the state media and the court system..........................."

Etc etc....

The guy is obviously one of Cameron's goons, and has had one too many bottles of plonk. The ignorant fool makes me ashamed to be British.

Diplomats in general and ambassadors in particular are the best informed about the workings of the countries in which they are posted. Ambassador Crawford correclty felt, perceived and identified Poland's Zeitgeist during his stint in Warsaw.

It's difficult to argue against his realisation that


Only one remark is in order: AMEN!

Hard to take the man seriously when anyone who knows anything about Kaczyński knows that he simply wasn't there.

I'd be happy to if they just stopped breaking the law....

Most rational people will be prepared to give every new government a chance but PIS have to try to build relations with europe. Whatever PO did or did not do, they tried to stay on side with europe. EU money is vital for Poland's growth. Poland is very good at acquiring and spending EU money and without it growth will be much slower if at all. So there is no reason to isolate europe and make Poland unfriendly to investors as it can only harm the country's development.

The problem with "Good Evening" is that everybody used that in the times of general Jaruzelski, whereas the phrase "conspiring with outside forces" (mostly with the imperialist US in mind) was only used by the communist junta and their puppet journalists.

In PRL that implied the "imperialist" forces of the US, Germany, NATO. As regards Tuskoland and beyond it referred to preferential. trteatment of foreign capital. In exchange for hefty kickbacks to Polish mercenary tratiors foreign corproate interests were allowed to exploit Polish workers (slave wages and the Pampers equation!) with impunity and monopolise the economy. Poland became a cheap manpower and real estate country. Adding insult to injury, they thought up a nice-sounding euphemism "market-friendly" to describe such exploitation.

Exactly, and the current regime is heading for sanctions despite barely being in office a few weeks.

You may quicker find yourself deported from Poland to the Russian Federation than see any sanctions against the "current regime" of Poland.

Western corporation steal about 5% of Polish Gross National Product

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And they're in trouble. Big trouble.

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29.6% Nowoczesna
27.3% PiS
16.2% PO
7.0% Kukiz'15
5.4% ZL
4.5% PSL
3.3% Korwin
2.2% Razem
4.2% don't know

Stunning. PiS have lost the entire centrist vote that voted for them, and they're now losing their core support too. PiS are on a clear downwards trend, and it will be very hard for Kukiz to shake off the "pro-government" image that the opposition will paint him with.

It's worth pointing out that these results show that some hardcore PiS voters have gone to Nowoczesna/PO - which means that they're very unhappy with this government. Certainly, the sidelining of Szydło has been massively unpopular with the younger female electorate.