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Poland's post-election political scene


gregy741 4 | 1,204
20 Jul 2017 #3,571
Read up on the concept of parliamentary democracy and an independent judiciary.

i believe that in every democratic country in western world,judiciary system is under partial control of parliaments..isnt?

and they may well find that their opponents will one day use it against the, In every way a bad idea,

independent judiciary system didnt stop PO to abuse it ,and prosecute opposition leaders...such as Kaminski case ect.
jon357 66 | 17,077
20 Jul 2017 #3,572
i believe that in every democratic country

Read up on the matter before commenting.

system didnt stop

Don't be daft.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
20 Jul 2017 #3,573
Don't be daft.

really? didnt criminals from PO use it to launch over 80 criminal hearing against Ziobro? didnt they sentenced kaminski to 5 years in prison for maladministration "offence"
jon357 66 | 17,077
20 Jul 2017 #3,574
I just saw a film clip of the Chain of Light in Katowice. It stretches right through the city. Impressive and poignant.

over 80 criminal hearing against Ziobro?

kaminski to 5 years in prison for maladministration "offence"

Decisions of the prosecutor and courts. The real, independent ones. Not show-trials in a one party state.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
20 Jul 2017 #3,575
I just saw a film clip of the Chain of Light in Katowice

are you sure ,it was "Chain of Light " not "pain in butt" event?
jon357 66 | 17,077
20 Jul 2017 #3,576
I'm sure the political discourse is suitably elevated by these iterations of your eloquence, however yes, it's a Chain of Light. A very big thing, and apparently the PiS junta hierarchy are absolutely dismayed at the moment and arguing with each other behind the scenes.

This could be getting very interesting soon, or indeed very 'nieciekawy for PiS...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jul 2017 #3,577
under the direct control of a political party

It is under the control of th Sejm just like in many other European countries.No one party can control the judiciary since a vote of 3/5 is required.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
20 Jul 2017 #3,578
Shame, people repeat nonsenses like the one we can read above by maf, jon and cms. Is that due to bias or poor understanding of the Polish reality - I don't know. I can see the result and that is just sad.

Either you have no clue or you're a very sad people.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jul 2017 #3,579
feature on tvn

TVN is as reliable as the Kosher Courier -- both are vehicles promoting PO's hate industry.
Actress Joanna Sczepkowska said back in 1989 that on 4th June 1989 communism in Poland ended.
History books will also record the fact that on 20th July 2017 post-communism in Poland ended. And thank God for that! Thank God for Law and Justice!
jon357 66 | 17,077
20 Jul 2017 #3,580
bias or poor understanding of the Polish reality

I suspect those thousands of Poles taking part in the vigils etc tonight have a clearer and more up-to-date understanding of Polish reality than someone who emigrated to a different continent almost 30 years ago.

sad

The PiS junta and their supporters are weeping tonight too. The tipping point has been passed and it will never get better or easier for them.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jul 2017 #3,581
The tipping point has been passed

That's your wishful thinking. In fact the ballyhoos and hoopla will gradually fade away and let people get on with theri lives. Exsiting post-commie courts treated citizens likek sh*t. The privileged caste was mainly concerend about its own self-interest, not serving the nation. Hopefully that will now change, but judicial rnaks must be cleansed of those toga-clad PRL holdovers sentencing dissidents and Solidarity ASAP.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
20 Jul 2017 #3,582
By the way what is this Duda playing at? He should sign that bill quickly, that they would get to clean that pigsty from the soviet trash.

If he want to show how impartial he is, there is a perfect opportunity, veto that bill rising tax on fuel,,,, why don't he eh?

Meddling into fixing judiciary is not wise. There more fields for the broom waiting idle for too long.
jon357 66 | 17,077
21 Jul 2017 #3,583
By the way what is this Duda playing at?

Listening to people and doing his job.

That and trying to stop the current crisis from escalating further.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Jul 2017 #3,584
post-communism in Poland ended

To be replaced by the Neo-PRL.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,585
veto that bill rising tax on fuel,,,, why don't he eh?

The proposed fuel charge was withdrawn coupla days ago.
bepositive199
21 Jul 2017 #3,586
Chester Bennington suicide..
lajm-shqip.com/new/index.php/2017/07/20/vetevaret-kengetari-linkin-park/
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Jul 2017 #3,587
The proposed fuel charge was withdrawn coupla days ago.

The way it was withdrawn leads me to believe it was never a serious project, but created to distract people and withdrawn when it didn't work.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
21 Jul 2017 #3,588
leads me to believe it was never a serious project, but created to distract people

Just so. Plus the funny way in which it was withdrawn. They said they withdraw the project on the request of Jarosław Kaczyński which was really hilarious and reminded people who remember the PRL era the practices of that time. What the younger generation thought of it only God knows, but probably they might have thought that Our Great and Dearest Leader Chairman Jarosław Kaczyński is precisely someone exercizing supreme authority over the country, a person that can easily over-ride the will of the government or parliament.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,589
This could be getting very interesting

As a loyal and avid disciple of the one and only HB, it's not surprisng you say that. It'll get even more "interesting! and "entertaining" when blood flows in the gutters, cars get torched and shops smashed up. Dunno about Mayfixit, but that is what you and yoru guru HB are looking forward to. After all, is Warsaw any worse than Hamburg? Do Poles lack the cojones of Germans?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,590
created to distract

Funny you have never been an incisive, invetigative and anayltical conspiracy theorist when assessing the 8 years of psot-commie misrule. Actually more like 25 years. PO wasn't the only post-commie formation, althougn in terms of scamstetrism it was undoubtedly the worst.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,591
Neo-PRL

Catchy slogan, except the post-commie PiS-bashing side is defending palaeo-PRL, SB types, PRL-era judges, OAPs, and other commie holdovers. Sadly (for you), yoru beloved red Gestapo OAPs will be getting normal pensions from October. For a quarter of a century they had been rewarded for their unswerving loyalty to the USSR and the Brezhnev doctrine, for their back-alley "unknown attackers", Soviet-trained secret police, commie-style cooked trials and show trials, persecution of anti-communsit dissidents, Soldiarity activists and the Church.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,592
thousands of Poles taking part in the vigils

Think about the millions who aren't, support the good-change government, are happy that post-commie elites are being swept away at long last and and can't grasp what the unruly shouters, screamers and disrupters are on about? Probably trying to save their endangered privileged positions.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Jul 2017 #3,593
Catchy slogan

Yes, much better than anything you've come up with (or taken from PiS media talking points).

anti-communsit dissidents, Soldiarity activists

Some of whom are strong critics of PiS's Neo-PRL agenda, Frasyniuk spent a lot more time than JK ever did in police custody during the PRL
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,594
PiS's Neo-PRL agenda

I guess you see PRL everywhere, probably in your fridge and toilet as well - have you been here to know what PRL was like?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Jul 2017 #3,595
have you been here to know what PRL was like

A little, rounded out by reading and discussions with PRL survivors, enough to recognize the same patterns emerging with PiS, rule by the party leader (rather than laws) and a system of patronage and promotions through loyalty rather than competence being the worst.

The PRL was all JK knew (does he know any foreign langauge has he ever spent any time outside of Poland?) so of course that's what he's maniacally trying to recreate - just with different window dressing.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,596
Some of whom

In every group you'll find a "some of whom" minority. Have you any doubts as to what the still living former memebrs of the once 10-million-strong Solidarność would say?
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,597
rule by the party leader (rather than laws) and a system of patronage and promotions through loyalty rather than competence being the worst.

if you haven't seen it during Tusk government then I'm sorry for you - maybe stop watching TVN and Polsat for a change as well
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,598
The PRL was all JK knew

So why is it that the "total opposition", not JK, are so ardently lobbying for the return of the post-commie quarter-century when ex-SB types and PRL-era judges could lvie in the lap of luxury?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Jul 2017 #3,599
"total opposition"

Meaningless government (PRL style) slogan.

post-commie quarter-century

You give so much away, post-communism (describing a period after communism) is good, and the attempt to turn it into a slur is a glorification of the previous system (the end of post-communism is more communism).

As for Ex-SB types and PRL-era judges, I'm all for prosecuting evildoers (when a legal case can be made) and against the thousand and one unverified slogans thrown about that foul the air like a PRL factory.

Rule of Law - there is no progress (worthy of the name) without it

Rule by Party Leader - Ekspres do PRL-bisu
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,600
Rule of Law - there is no progress (worthy of the name) without it

the law should be what people want it to be - that's the essence of democracy - otherwise you live in judiciary-cracy and it can well pervert justice and has done it everywhere it was allowed to take hold (even the US)

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