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Poland's post-election political scene

OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 May 2017 #3,301

Interestingly, PF's consummate PiS-bashers, who are always banging on about their various obsessions, hangups and complexes, are strangely silent upon learning the latest poll results. So let me repeat: PO has fallen a full 14 percentage points below PiS.
Chemikiem 7 | 2,509
25 May 2017 #3,302
latest poll results.

Don't you ever tire of this? Last month according to a KMB ( Kantar Millward Brown ) survey, public support for PO exceeded that for PiS. It's not like there is even an election looming, so polls are pretty meaningless at this stage anyway. Besides, the results vary depending on the particular poll in question.
Crow 146 | 9,129
25 May 2017 #3,303
public support for PO

PO is trap. That option may lead Poland into another partition. How? By weakening of strength of state institutions in situation of internal challenges and foreign pressure, what all may push into drop of confidence in state and disintegration of internal unity. Beware Poles. PO is very dangerous option. They proved that, publicly and openly.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
25 May 2017 #3,304
PO is trap

You need to keep up with modern usage...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 May 2017 #3,305
PO exceeded that for PiS

I clearly mentioned the " one-off margin-of-error fluke last month". Although elections are still well off in the fuutre, periodic monitoring of sirveys provides soem idea of the changing public mood.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 May 2017 #3,306

Those who want to know why the Polish nation gave the PO scamster regime the red card in October 2015 would do well to read this link. Maybe someone will take pity on poor Anglo-jabbering PiSlamic and give him a brief summary in English.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2017 #3,307
PO scamster regime

The Schetyna game plan code-named "ulica i zagranica" (and we might add "Targowica") saw Poland-bashing opposition emissaries spread their venom far and wide. It actually led to a rating-agency downturn even though in 2016 the Polish economy was hardly a shambles.

But all the ballyhoo turned out to be little more than a smoke-screen to cloud the PO's shame at total election defeat and their desperate desire to return to the trough. Now the ratings are back up, nealry all economic indicators are positive, foreign investments are growing apace, new opportuniteis are opening up for indigenous Polish entrepreneurs, innovations are being promoted, more children are being born and....for the first time in 30-some years more people are migrating to Poland than leaving!!! Of the incomers 75% are Poles returning from job stints abroad, mainly from the British Isles and Germany. Some have told reproters that maybe one can earn more abroad but the prices of everything are sky-high. On balance, many can achieve comparable purchasing power in Poland, and their foreign experience often works to their advanatge. On the plus side, in Poland they are at home with family and friends and nobody calls them "bloody foreigners".

The moral of the story: PO did a lousy job governing, thereby earning a red card from the Polish nation. And they're not doing any better as an opposition. Lots of ballyhoo but utlimately they are too weak, inefffective and clueless to do much actual harm.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2017 #3,308
Poland's post-election political scene

Poles are critical of the way their country's political parties function. In a recent survey by pollster CBOS, 87% referred to parties as cliques whose only goal is to gain power. 80% felt political parties comprise people whose main motivation is personal ambition, and 66% percent said that the goals of most parties were unclear. But 54%admitted that parties propose solutions to major problems in Poland. CBOS noted that Poles have grown more critical of political parties compared with the results of surveys six and 16 years ago. The ongoing Polish-Polish war between the former liberal Civic Platform (PO) government, kicked out of office by voters in 2015, and the ruling conservative Law and Justice cabinet has often degenerated into mutual tit for tat mud-slinging over every possible issue. Those unending controversies have both polarized Polish society as well as turning many Poles against the political establishment as a whole. That largely accounts for Poland's generally low voter turnout.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 Jun 2017 #3,309
PO scamster regime

Not long ago backers of the now fortunately defunct PO scamster regime got orgasms due to a one-off fluke where PO came 1 point ahead of PiS in a survey. Since then, as widely predicted, support for the ruling PiS party has grown spectacularly. The latest CBOS poll has shown PiS getting twice the support of PO. PiS was backed by 42% of those queried, PO -- 21% and Kukiz - 9%. No other party crossed the 5% hurdle. Such an outcome would give Law and Justice and the constructive opposition Kukiz-15 a constitutional majority to finally create the Poland of our dreams. Co daj Boże!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Jun 2017 #3,310
PO has fallen a full 14 percentage points below PiS.

That was last month. Now PiS is 21 points ahead of thePlatformers. More and more Poles have seen through the phony PO propaganda and endless government-bashing to conceal the PO's lack of any programme and thier real goal: A RETURN TO THE FEED TROUGH!!!

"O co Platformie chodzi? - może ktoś zapyta.
My odpowiadamy: O POWRÓT DO KORYTA!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Jun 2017 #3,311
limits directly elected mayors to two terms

A party is a voluntary organisation, so they are free to elect whomever they want for as long as their charter allows and they cna vote to amend the charter.

A mayor is a public official and limting the number of terms in office would be one way to break up the local cliques and mafias that have grown up over the years.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Jun 2017 #3,312

Another victory for the good-changePiS government! Trump has accepted President Duda's invite to visit Poland. He isw due to come on 6th July. The White House has said in a statement the visit would reaffirm America's steadfast commitment to Poland.
goofy_the_dog 1 | 35
10 Jun 2017 #3,313
Fantastic! Maybe Trump and his new FBI boss will help us with Smolensk ?
goofy_the_dog 1 | 35
10 Jun 2017 #3,314
Also, how long before Sowa gets the boot up his ass and gets cleansed from the Church ? In the light of the new recordings I think Abp Jedraszewski should just excommunicate this guy
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Jun 2017 #3,315

Father Sowa looked like a mafia capo deciding whom to support, whom to rub out, what tactic to use, etc. and peppered his spiel with loutish language unbecoming a priest, even a drunk priest! On the other hand, what other type of priest would stoop so low as to hobnob with the PO scamster slime? He used to appear regularly on TVN(omenkltura). Or is it TWN
goofy_the_dog 1 | 35
10 Jun 2017 #3,316
The guy he talked with at Sowa was also a comrade xd in the Party or something.. you know these factors from the restaurant should be awarded Virtutis for the amazing work they've done uncover this mafia!
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
10 Jun 2017 #3,317
Trump has accepted President Duda's invite to visit Poland

Is there a single soul here that thinks Crooked Hillary would have accepted an invite to Poland ?
I kept telling you Trump likes and supports Poland.
Poland doesn't lie, are straight shooters and kept their promises to NATO when other countries didn't.
Hopefully Trump will be on his best behavior as I know older Poland will give him a warm welcome.
goofy_the_dog 1 | 35
10 Jun 2017 #3,318
Majority opinion on Trump in Poland is positive, everyone likes that he had not allowed a reset with Russia after his election something that OsamaObama did which led to the War in Ukraine ... (And Georgia if I recall)
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Jun 2017 #3,319
will help us with Smolensk

Trump should threaten Putin wtih Pershing missiles targetting the Kremlin unelss they return the wreckage of the presidential plane.
goofy_the_dog 1 | 35
10 Jun 2017 #3,320
Haha just allow us into the nuclear arsenal sharing programme ;) we will do the rest lol!
11 Jun 2017 #3,321
Trump should threaten Putin wtih Pershing missiles targetting the Kremlin

You nailed that one: Trump is certainly stupid enough to threaten people with missiles that were destroyed more than a quarter of a century ago. And faithful of the PiSlamic State are probably misguided enough to think that him doing that would be a good idea.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Jun 2017 #3,322
missiles that were destroyed

As usual, PiSlamic's got no sense of humour. That remark was strictly *** grano salis. It did remind me of one of the underground postrers during martial law: Organizujemy wycieczkę do Związku Radzieckiego Pershingiem....
11 Jun 2017 #3,323
That remark was strictly *** grano salis.

As usual, 'Polish' Polly can't just admit that he was just making things up instead of telling the truth. But that's a habit he shares with First Secretary Kaczynski and the rest of the PiSlamic State.
johnny reb 28 | 5,329
11 Jun 2017 #3,324
What a pleasant thread this was got toxified for no other reason then to argue.
It will be interesting to see what Trumps tweets will be about Poland.
My bet is that they will be positive.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
11 Jun 2017 #3,325
What a pleasant thread this was before

You clearly have not read any of this thread....
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Jun 2017 #3,326
telling the truth

The truth according to Kopacz: Even the tiniest fragment of human tissue found at the scene of the crash up to a depth of one metre was DNA-tested... The Russians acted with great empathy, care and professionalism.... A giant crock of BS!

The reality: coffns were fileld with scooped up body parts and debris including ciagrette butts inside sewn-up post-mortem cadavers to have a niformn weight of of 80-90 kilo.

And back in 2010 Tusk said he takes full political responsibiltiy for the situation. He hasn't beee too tlakataive about hte misplaced cadvaers and body parts.

And these are the kinds of characters you identify with. Lying-through-the-teeth Sikorski, fraudster Graś.... Anyone who does has got absolutely no class and no brains!
11 Jun 2017 #3,327
The truth according to Kopacz:

Yet more whataboutism from 'Polish' Polly. Rather than in any way addressing the lies told by his heroes in the PiSlamic State, to say nothing of their crimes and cronyism, he focuses instead on the past misdeeds of his enemies. He hates Poland so much that he doesn't want anybody to look at how long the PiSlamic State are bringing the once enviable country, how they are seeking to repeat the 1960s but instead appear to be repeating the 1930s, how they break Polish law any time that suits them. In short he's doing exactly the same as what somebody we won't name did back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, when he planted in the Polonia Press the propaganda the Party and the First Secretary wanted to be there, back when the Party was the PZPR instead of PIS and the First Secretary of the Party wasn't called Kaczynski. In a way what the likes of 'Polish' Polly do when shilling for PIS and First Secretary Kaczynski is worse than what he-who-won't-be-named did, at least he was getting paid for his shilling back then.
cms 9 | 1,271
11 Jun 2017 #3,328
Hillary has been here many times - as First Lady and as Secretary of Stare. Obama has been twice I think and famously worked out in the hotel gym with the regular guests. No chance of the sagging orange idiot doing that - of course he is welcome here as the head of state of Polands most important ally but he will be kept well away from the public and he will be happy with that because he despises protest - I see he is now too much of a coward to visit Britain.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Jun 2017 #3,329
break Polish law

The judges violate the constitution by engaging in politics. They are supposed to be non-partisan, unpoilitical, unbiased and devotzed only to the merits of the case they are judging. Instead, their convention was nothing more than an outright PiS-bashig poltical rally. They said nothing up cleaning up their act, making sluggish judicial machinery more efficient, not forcing people to wait for verdicts for months if not years. No, only PiS-bashing. So before you point your finger at PiS, remember: THREE FINGERS ARE POINTING BACK AT YOU AND YOUR PO SCAMSTER COMRADES!!!!! But rest assured, there is no return to the PO-at-the-trough era!

BTW, very transparent attempt to wheedle your way away from your role model: LYING KOPACZ!
11 Jun 2017 #3,330
The judges violate the constitution by engaging in politics.

Care to quote the article of the Polish constitution which says that judges cannot engage in politics? Or did 'Polish' Polly just make that up thinking he could slip it into this thread? The only part of the constitution I can find which might cover that is Article 103.2, but that no longer applies in the PiSlamic State and no the judges are attempting to vote as MPs.

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