Poland's post-election political scene

Interesting news today, that the number of Poles desperate to escape the PiS junta and move to the UK has increased.

I do trust Ziobro - that makes your statement false

Most people here certainly don't trust Mr Laptop.

Au contraire, Ziobro is attacked only by the scamster lobby who want to dissolve the CBA. And no wonder. They don't want their myriad crimes and irregularities probed and made public. The opposition's other main support base is the SB wing, hence they promise the nail-pullers and back-alley assailants: "Vote for us and we'll dissolve the IPN."

- ok let's count - you, delphi, and Harry vs me, Polonius, Ironside and greggy - that doesn't make you most people here

He's also frowned upon by those who believe the constitution of Poland should be respected and obeyed.
And by those who think that MPs shouldn't sign the attendance and voting lists for sessions of parliament after the event.

Harry - which article of the constitution was broken?

You can count to 38 million?


That's actually a huge scandal. And it isn't as if the scandals surrounding him started recently either.

Article 103, section 2):


Ziobro is the Prokurator Generalny, the Public Prosecutor General and still exercise his mandate of an MP, as shown by him signing voting lists well after votes were taken.

no problem
Pilsudski,Chrobry,also wouldn't be bothered with some minor obstacles.you cant create empires if you cant brush aside sume rubbish obstacles
Ziobro is our Savior and he can do what he wants

as far as I know Prokurator Generalny cannot initiate investigations and as such is not really a prosecutor


do you claim that all Poles don't trust Ziobro - that's quite a claim you know - and again I trust Ziobro - so your claim is false

Not only can he do that, he can also stop them (by removing the prosecutor and replacing him with another one).

How many ordinary citizens care a wit about this or that document, some procedure, brands of helicopters, a school closure in Kozia Wólka (Goatville) or the removal of diseased trees in some remote woodland? The only ones who make a fuss about it are poiticians, political activists and the politicised partisan media who want to score points against their political foes (such as a politician who wanted to prosecute dissidents and isn't even a Catholic because he missed one Sunday mass last month).

Not political parties only those that proved to be a danger to safety and stability of the Republic of Poland. Namely PO and N. - traitors, saboteurs and ******.

Yes ban them and their members for ten years. Although their leadership should be jailed o their property should confiscated or both.

So you're in favour of banning PiS? Shame on you.


Didn't that happen before, in Germany...

Unfortunately for you, those school closures are taking place all over the country.

More to the point, why are you so dismissive of the concerns of citizens in small towns?

I don't trust Ziobro or think highly about his abilities I just give them benefit of the doubt. Obviously PiS is better than the alternative - PO.

He is clearly going against corrupted people - that good.

Really? Where's his investigation into Macierewicz, then?

He's not going against corruption at all. He's going against personal enemies, such as the cardiologists from the hospital where his father died. It's classic PZPR behaviour.

Don't make me laugh! Whoever claims that Maciarewicz is corrupted is clearly daft.

interesting news

Where are our helicopters? Why did Poland order VIP planes rather than helicopters? Most importantly, why did ex-PZPR member and Head of the Smolensk Sub-Commission Wacław Berczyński vanish to the USA after a) receiving large loans from Boeing to buy property and b) boasting about how he killed the order for the helicopters? Why wasn't there a fair and open tender for those VIP planes?

Why are you trying to defend this situation? I really don't understand it Ironside. You supposedly hate the commies so much, yet you turn a blind eye to an ex-commie's involvement in a horrific case of corruption.

Becuase it's as plain as the nose on your face that your only nitpicking them out and raising a rumpus over them to give vent to your PiS-bashing obsession. No concern on your part for small towns or little guys when you side with a party known only to cater to a privileged elite. So save your crocodile tears, because everyone sees through them!

Scrounge around and nitpick some more, as if ordinary, normal Poles are all up in armes over some obscure procedural points. What concerns them are the billions embezzled by the Gronkowiec city hall mafia, numerous PO-linked VAT swindlers, the millioms lost by depositors in the Tusk-linked AmberGold/OLT aireline scam and other scandals of Tusk's ancien régime.

You know you only bring these things up to bash PiS, whose leader "had volunteered to prosecute dissidents" and is no longer a Catholic, having missed one Sunday mass last month. Do you plan to attend?

Harry:


This sentence dropped out: Word is going round that Pope Francis is now preparing the excommunication trial of Kaczyński "who volunteered to prosecute dissidents". Do you plan on attending?

Anyone else notice how Polonius goes on a rant about other members when he wants to deflect attention from one of the most unbelievable cases of open corruption in a long time in Poland?

Polonius, don't you realise that by trying to cover these things up, it just gets worse in the end? Macierewicz is even annoying people in PiS now, and they've voted today to investigate the Boeing VIP plane deal. Wouldn't it be better to admit that it's probably a case of corruption, and that PiS should be looking for a defence minister who doesn't have suspicious links to American lobbyists?

You and I want the best for Poland's defence, don't we?

You mean the Gronkowiec city hall property scam? Not millions but billions have been embezzled by corrupt city officials, shady lawyers and speculators linked to the city hall mafia including Mr Gronkowiec-Waltz.


I know I do and that means it should be kept as far away as possible from PO operatives and scamsters.

An update FYI: Ziobro told public broadcaster TVP: "We estimate that private owners and the treasury could have lost as much as several billion zlotys as a result of the operations of organized gangs or mafia in Warsaw."

He added: "This is about really gigantic money, gigantic abuses, extremely influential people." Ziobro said suspects paid for false documents and credentials, and possibly also for decisions in their favour by various state organs, including courts.

Gronkowiec reacted last year when the scandal erupted by sacking a few underlings. Later she was convientily ill or on holiday when officials wanted to question her. She continues brushing off journalists in corridors before she disappears behind the safety of a closed door. A truly unsavoury witch to say the least! But what else could one expect from the vice-leader of PO?!

But of course he did. Of course, he's not saying anything about a deal that even members of PiS know to be so rotten that they want nothing to do with it.

Isn't it also strange that Ziobro is conveniently trying to seize control of the courts at the same time as making such claims? I mean, it wouldn't be anything to do with Stalinist show trials, would it?

Stalin is long dead as a door-nail, but it is quite likely that Tusk, Gronkowiec, Sikorski, Mr Wristwatch (if he can be extradited frorm Ukraine), Kopacz and a few other political scamsters will go on trial for their misdeeds. The sooner, the better!

nahh,,hes trying to reform justice system ,that hasn't been reformed since Stalinist time.PO,well known communist collaborator is trying to prevent this and keep justice system in form made by beloved communists.

same with constitution trybunal,made by commies to help them avoid justice