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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


Crow 139 | 8,583
24 May 2020 #541
moved from

Thanks to this simple trick Germany can hamper the economies of other EU members

Say thanks to Germany. More Germany pressure Poland sooner will Poles learn that there is no future for them in the EU.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
24 May 2020 #542
I've always said that Angela Merkel should be somehow appreciated for that 2015 "refugee" crisis. For Germany, and Western Europe in general, it was a disaster but for Poland it was a warning and it opened the eyes for most Poles and it resulted into electing a new PiS government straight away. It also helped to reinvigorate National Movement in Poland and in turn placed Konfederacja in Polish parliament.

And this is your main difference between Poland, the EU and Germany?

There are many traditional and historical differences between us but this one is the most modern and fundamental difference.

A difference between being pro- or anti- traditional European values. A difference between Christian civilisation model and neo-marxist dystopia. I honestly cannot think about more vivid and striking difference than that.

But honestly you will probably reply with something like : "oh, but both our nations like watching football so we are the same" or equally stupid...
Ironside 49 | 10,302
24 May 2020 #543
They at least have dreams and visions...

When Germans start having visons is the time to take a chill pill.

the EU regulations

1. The EU is a failed project for various reasons.
2. The fact German economy and status has grown doesn't necessarily means that have set those rules to benefit them. It just Poland and other countries boosted Germany due to economical factors.

a. I mean saying - you German benefit the most from the EU as it works only for you is muddling the issue. It works for the German industry and banksters it is a natural that German state supports them.

green-tech-industry!

It is all in a distant future for now Germany build another coal powered energy plant.
1, It is natural for a Polish person to fall back into WWII references, you are oversensitive over that. At lest we don't have some stupid stereotypes about Germans firmly ingrained into our culture as seemingly Germans have.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
24 May 2020 #544
Tell me that I'm wrong.

I don't hope so!

Because I want to keep living in a country where my choice of religion, political party and sexual orientation is only my own decision and nobody else's. Where I can create my life after my own wishes, undisturbed and unhindered by some governmental or clerical judgement. Where I am free to do as I please as long as I don't disturb somebody else's freedom.

That was what I longed for as I grew up behind the Iron Curtain, that was what people died for fighting the Third Reich...it would be a nightmare to go back to that.

And btw....people still make their choices with their feet. People (not only from Africa or Arabia) are storming Germany, dream to live here, because it's a good life here, with all these freedoms!

Think about that one for a minute...

but this one is the most modern and fundamental difference.

Oh bin it, Spike!

You hated Germany long before that refugee-crisis! It's as I said, it's a strawmans argument now...

Germany could start shipping Muslims out tomorrow and you would still call it Nazi and how Germans can be trusted because of that. You take what you can get to feed your Germanophobia!

1. The EU is a failed project for various reasons.

Well...the EU is about to shell out 1 TRILLION of support funds to Corona-suffering EU members....most other countries can only dream of such big failing! :)
Torq 32 | 2,999
24 May 2020 #545
keep living in a country where my choice of religion, political party and sexual orientation is only my own decision and nobody else's.

You are talking about tolerance. It has been achieved in most European countries, and certainly in Poland and Germany, a long time ago. What happens now with regards to LGBT is nothing short of promoting and affirming - this has nothing to do with tolerance.

People are storming Germany, dream to live here, because it's a good life here, with all these freedoms!

They are NOT coming to Germany for those freedoms. Ask any muslim what he thinks about local LGBT community and see for yourself :) They are coming because of money and standard of living. So many of them despise the West with its "freedoms" and "values" - how can you not see it?
Spike31 3 | 1,625
24 May 2020 #546
In consequence that can only mean that the Nazi-Germans (...) are totally compatible to Poles and their good values as you see them,

No, it doesn't. Nazi-Germans, or simply Germans, were national-socialist and fanatics who wanted to murder everyone who was different than them or perceived as a threat or an obstacle.

Poles don't want to murder anyone but to prosper, live peacefully and to keep Poland free from non-compatible cultures like muslims or anti-civilizational organizations to ruin the country.

And now Germans are again fanatics but this time a fanatics of "tollerance", subverting a natural order wit population swap and cult of all sorts of deviations, and trying to force everyone into following their own vision again. Like I said before, Germans have that "quality" of turning even virtues into vices with their outright fanatism. That's why I perceive Germans as half-savages with well oiled economy and autobahns...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 May 2020 #547
Without the EU regulations and with truly open and unrestricted euromarket Poland would grow twice as fast.

It didn't grow quickly between 1990-2004, did it? Compare the rise between 2004-2019 with 1989-2004, and you have your answer.

Also, "truly open and unrestricted euromarket" - so you support free competition? What kind of barriers would you put in place to prevent German companies from simply wiping the Polish competition off the market? Let's go with a good example - PKP Intercity. You support truly open and unrestricted competition, so that means an end to the large subsidies that it receives. Deutsche Bahn come in with brand new trains that are much more comfortable, with much more customer-friendly attitudes and much deeper pockets. They outbid PKP Intercity for the best 'slots' on the railway, meaning that for instance, the evening departures from Warszawa-Centralna are all operated by Deutsche Bahn to the detriment of the Polish carrier.

What happens then?

I'm all for open and fair competition, but it would be the end of most Polish businesses within months.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
24 May 2020 #548
What kind of barriers would you put in place to prevent German companies from simply wiping the Polish competition off the market?

Which has happened nevertheless, and not only by wiping but by overtaking the whole branches of economy.
So once Poland has payed all the costs [and most upfront] is now stopped from enjoying all the benefits of true single market once the new wave of Polish companies have started to spread the wings.

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