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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Jan 2020 #511
The idea that governments should be bartering about how many people should be shipped to this or that country

So, you are one of the "no-borders" kind?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
23 Jan 2020 #512
Good fences make good neighbors, you can't have countries (or a gigantic federation of regions) without borders.

Poland had no borders for over 100 years and it was awful!

communities who won't be open to migrants will be dead in 30 years

a. that sounds kind of like a threat

b. what trauma has Germany endured that its fertility has fallen off a cliff? WWII and the aftermath didn't sterilize Germans, what did?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Jan 2020 #513
...since demography is pointing downwards in all western countries (also the WWII victors) it points to something socially and/or physiologically and not politically.

More and more women want to have a life now and also the quality and quantity of male spermatozoes are declining (probably because of environmental and food toxins)....

*shrugs*

PS: Since to many people is one of the worst ecological problems a declining population shouldn't be so bad...once we have so much digitalization in place to supplant the lacking work force with computers...or we keep on importing the workers in masses as we do now...
Lenka 3 | 1,966
23 Jan 2020 #514
The idea that governments should be bartering about how many people should be shipped to this or that country

Are you talking about refugees or normal migrants because I'm getting lost here...
Refugees need help and it would help if the effort could be spread but they have no connection to the region anyway so any trauma you are talking about already happened.

If you are talking about migrants- stop treating people as little kids or mindless pets! Most of us are capable of making our decisions and take responsibility for it. Do you really expect us to feel sorry for some Ph. D that is smart and successful and decided to move somewhere out of his own free will? And if he is that traumatised- he can go back.

Of course the fate of economic migrants is a bit harsher but still- their decission and the consequences are theirs They could have stayed at home. Or they can go back. While it would be lovely if we could all get nice, interesting, stable and well paid jobs outside our front steps it's impossible.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #515
NOBODY who shows up in Western Europe is a "refugee".
The liars who claim it lost their "refugee" status the second they were safe in the country next door to theirs.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
23 Jan 2020 #516
Do you really like wasting your breath (or fingers) so much? It's irrelevant to the points me and Maf are making.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #517
I am just trying to tell you that WE has no refugee problem. It's all in your imagination, ignorance, weakness, or whatever - but no refugees. Say, thank you.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
23 Jan 2020 #518
Oh my, I was too polite- get lost- did it get through to your tick head?
Tacitus 2 | 1,136
23 Jan 2020 #519
that sounds kind of like a threat

Just basic math. Few births, young people move away and old people die out. Demography is predictable, the only onforseeable aspect are huge migration movements.

what trauma has Germany endured that its fertility has fallen off a cliff

Germany is far from the only one with demographic problems, Poland's predicament is just as severe, if not more so. The simple truth is that having children is both a financial and time-consuming burden and many people simply want to spend their time differently. Not that children are not lovely, but it is understandable why not everybody wants them.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 294
23 Jan 2020 #520
stay healthy in that situation is to completely ignore anything local and not form any connections to people....

Are you for real? Move to a foreign country and ignore locals? Am I reading your post while I am conscious, or you are afflicted with a severe case of nystagmus?

(Oczoplas)
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
23 Jan 2020 #521
So because turd worlders breed like rodents and their own countries are **** holes Europeans should just hand over their countries?
Torq 32 | 2,999
23 Jan 2020 #522
NOBODY who shows up in Western Europe is a "refugee".

That is correct.

If there's a war in Syria, then Syrians who escape from the horrors of it can be refugees in five countries: Iraq, Jordania, Turkey, Liban or Israel. In any other country they are simply emigrants.

They could have stayed at home.

I suppose it's an individual choice, but there's a difference between people who left their countries for a couple of years to gather experience, save some money etc., and those who plan to settle abroad permanently. I spent three years in Ireland myself but the moment my wife got pregnant, we packed our bags and got back to Poland. I couldn't imagine raising my children anywhere else than in Poland. How horrible it would be to watch them grow up abroad and slowly turn into Plastic Poles... to realise that with time they will assimilate, start speaking Polish with foreign accent... that their children and my grandchildren might forget the language altogether, and not be able to distinguish Krasicki from Kraszewski. *shivers*

Mafketis is right that there is something ominous in mass migrations to far away countries (as is the case with the recent wave of migration to Europe) - it's unnatural. If I felt it in Ireland (being a white, educated Catholic), how must all those masses from African and Arab countries feel when they suddenly end up in Berlin, Amsterdam or London?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
23 Jan 2020 #523
really ... feel sorry for some Ph. D that is smart and successful and decided to move somewhere out of his own free will?

Of course not, but even they undergo low level culture shock and/or denial and trauma at such trivial problems as having to learn a local language or get used to different store hours or have their children learn a different routine in school then what hope do people from radically different cultures have?
Spike31 3 | 1,637
23 Jan 2020 #524
@Tacitus

If it looks so fine and those 'refugees' are such a good asset then Germany should be happy to keep them all and shouldn't think about trying to push them to Poland.

I stand on a position that Poland should observe the process, which may offer some valuable lessons on someone else's expense, but should not get engaged in it.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 294
23 Jan 2020 #525
now and also the quality and quantity of male spermatozoes ar

Always inventive, allergic to sexual intercourse Germans, come up with ingenious solution .Massive importation of sperm loaded Canes of Bedouin
Lenka 3 | 1,966
23 Jan 2020 #526
Italy is selling €1 houses, most countries offer some programs to convince people to have kids, Russia has ghost towns when you have 1-2 people left or noone at all...

Of course we don't HAVE to replace the drops in population, maybe we can even find economic solutions to aging population but if it stays as it is Europe will simply die out. We are talking about physically empty villages and towns...

Of course our spicies can get wiped out before then so hey ho :)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Jan 2020 #527
Massive importation of sperm loaded Canes of Bedouin

Yeah...well....they come on their own....and most are actually still other EU members....but that source is drying up now slowly...

but if it stays as it is Europe will simply die out.

Or we just shrink to a sustainable level (Berlin is just to full already!)...but to keep our living standard we either need humans or robots!
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #528
How horrible it would be to watch them grow up abroad and slowly turn into Plastic Poles.

Couldn't agree more. That is why the black and white approach is the best: you (editorial) are either here or there - 100%. Stradling can hurt your (editorial) butt.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Jan 2020 #529
But that is not natural! I would like to live in Japan...I would still cheer for the german Mannschaft! Even from afar...maybe especially from afar as some dreary truths get rosy tinted over so far away....
Torq 32 | 2,999
23 Jan 2020 #530
I would like to live in Japan...

Always the old axis sentiment, right? ;)

I doubt if you would last more than a year in Japan, BB, and it is even more doubtful if you would be able to settle there for good. All the people who get back from Japan (even after spending 10-15 years there) say exactly the same thing: it's a closed society, no matter if you speak perfect Japanese or have black belts in karate, judo or whatnot, you will always be a gaijin - an alien.

Besides - JAPAN??? Come on, you are a bratwurst eating, football watching, skat playing German, for crying out loud! What happened to the "nice hut on the Baltic coast" idea? *scratches his head*
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Jan 2020 #531
Always the old axis sentiment, right? ;)

I would never want to become a Japanese...I would stay a German in Japan! :)

I can import my Bratwurst!!!

But yes, my dream cottage (no longer a hut) at the baltic sea is still also an open option....

*goes thinking about that some more...with a beer or two....*
Tacitus 2 | 1,136
23 Jan 2020 #532
be happy to keep them all

Every society can only absorb so much. The next wave of refugees will come, and then Poland will get its' fair share ;)
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #533
it's a closed society, no matter if you speak perfect Japanese or have black belts in karate

And that is why Japan will be Japan forever. The US is turning itself - voluntarily and at great expense - into the world-class sh*it hole, the process the American fascists drool to accelerate.
Torq 32 | 2,999
23 Jan 2020 #534
And that is why Japan will be Japan forever.

And Poland will forever be Poland (also thanks to the extremely difficult local language :)).
Lenka 3 | 1,966
23 Jan 2020 #535
Or we just shrink to a sustainable level

Possible but for that to happen at some point birth rate would have to jump quite significantly. How likely is it that at that magical moment becoming a parent will suddenly appeal to young people?

trivial problems as having to learn a local language or get used to different store hours

Why do people suddenly think that any problem on the way is a big no- no? Things worth having are usually not easy. Why not look at it as an opportunity to get to know different things about yourself, grow as a human being?

I generally don't think that governments can move groups of people from one end of the world to the other and expect they will fill the wholes left by the dying people (in the same way I don't think young people are simple replacements for their daying grandparents) but if people want to move and the society can use them being there there is nothing tragic or immoral about it.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #536
The next wave of refugees will come, and then Poland will get its' fair share ;)

And when that bucket is full of stinking sewer what then? If you have an idea, why not implement it today before that smelly sewer spills over the kitchen floor?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
23 Jan 2020 #537
I doubt it. The majority of Polish people are firmly against turd worlders raping and pillaging our country.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
23 Jan 2020 #538
And Poland will forever be Poland (also thanks to the extremely difficult local language :)).

I hope and pray that you are right. That is why it's so extremely important to keep the foreign human waste to the absolute minimum. Once they exceed the critical number, they create their own ghettos and your difficult language will not longer be a barrier.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
23 Jan 2020 #539
The next wave of refugees will come, and then Poland will get its' fair share ;)

I agree with you that the next wave will come unless Turkey get bribed by Germany. And I also agree with you that Poland will get its fair share, which is: 0

But I have to give to Czech Republik that they knew how to make fools of the EU. First they've agreed to take in over 4000 refugees, of which they finnaly accepted a whooping 12 [twelve] of them. And no one can say that they didn't take in any refugees. Those Pepiks are a one cheeky nation ;-)

borgenproject.org/czech-republic-refugees/
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
23 Jan 2020 #540
Yeah integration is sure going well..... 40% unemployment, 1 in 4 officially registered as having a job

No, integration is not going well but please do not tarnish Britain with your false stats.
Britain currently has an unemployment rate of 3.8% and a Muslim population of 5%.
So even if your stats are correct, and I doubt that, assuming that all the unemployed are Muslim, again very doubtful... then 1.2 % of the Muslim population are working.

Nearly a third of them..... I don't disagree with you that some Muslims are a problem, but you have got your stats wrong.
And even if they were right, this is not exactly the huge problem that you like to pretend it is.
Tell us now how much of a "burden" Jews are on British society, as you seem to hate them as much as Muslims.....
Go on big boy, how many Jews are milking the UK welfare state?
Prat!

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