Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

it was well before Kaczyński ever thought of embracing 'kibole' - it is a very recent thing - while Baroszewski said what he said during the 2007 parliamentary campaing - many PO supporters are very fond of 'Pisowskie bydło' untill today as you can see from internet comments

Są sytuacje, w których milczeć po prostu nie wolno. W kraju za rządów braci Kaczyńskich działo się coraz gorzej. Koszmarna koalicja Prawa i Sprawiedliwości z Samoobroną i Ligą Polskich Rodzin przynosiła skandal za skandalem. Polityczne wiarołomstwo stało się normą. Kolejne obietnice wyborcze Jarosława Kaczyńskiego rozwiewały się w pył. Stało się dla mnie jasne, że jego wizja budowy lepszej Polski, której zaufały miliony Polaków, okazała się jednym wielkim oszustwem. Dlatego też postanowiłem nazwać rzeczy po imieniu i – jak ujął to jeden z przedwojennych satyryków – „przestać uważać bydło za niebydło”.

* -ródło: blog Władysława Bartoszewskiego 22 października 2007


you must be joking, seriously :) - there is still a strong probability Palikot will never make it to the parliament this time and in this case PiS is gonna take half of his vote - furthermore Palikot is really weakening PO (and SLD even more) - it may actually lead to a situation that there will be equally very little presence of Palikot and SLD in the next Sejm with PO quite considerably weakened - I just can sit and jubilate

another couple of years of PO now with Ruch Palikota - well it just makes PO missing in action in the next shuffle (in 3 years max?) - can Palikot take the PO electorate then completely - no way


like someone who once fought for Poland couldn't become a traitor - for me he has become one and just added insult to the injury with his speak against PiS

You are seriously deluded! Do you honestly believe that the people intending to vote for Palikot will vote for PIS!!!!????

"another couple of years of PO now with Ruch Palikota - well it just makes PO missing in action in the next shuffle (in 3 years max?) - can Palikot take the PO electorate then completely - no way[/quote]"

I see so you are willing to cut off you nose just to spite your face, so according to your twisted logic it's PIS and not Poland that comes first.


honestly how dare you? you are an absolute zero in comparison.

Are you sure you are Polish?

He's a member of Tusk government, some low rank position...


LOL ! So because of that he's always right on every issue :))) ?

Come on, If you mean "agression", "hatefulness" etc. you get pretty much the same stuff (both politicians and supporters) on both sides... One can argue If it's a bit more here (for example, I find Niesiołowski to be by far the most hateful and disgusting politician) and less there but overall there's not much difference, PO has always been trying to spin it into "we nice, they evil" but each day fewer people buy that crap, one has to be blind to believe in that.

no - it's the way Polish election system works - the missing seats are shared by big powers - and you don't need to fall below 5 per cent threshold to loose seats in parliament - 6 per cent of the votes nationwide can well translate to 4-5 seats in the parliament which means about one per cent - the ramaining per cents go to 'big fish' - this is called d'Hondt voting system - I know it's completely different where you live (SPV isn't in Australia) - should we have SPV PiS could only dream of taking power this time - next election is a very open thing as dissatisfaction with ruling parties will soar

someone who abandons pursuing Polish interests internationally because 'Poland is an ugly maid' is a traitor to a significant extent

You are a zero in comparison to Bartoszewski, and the 21st century's answer to Targowica.

And you can't count, very apt for a PIS supporter. But I don't mind a PO/SLD or Palikot coalition, Poland will move forward on social issues, such as recognition of civil partnerships etc, and by voting for PIS you are only going to make this more likely.

yes? divulge please or just explain

lubczasopismo.salon24.pl/polityka/post/347940,od-sciany-do-sciany

ok I was a bit wrong in stating 6 per cent nationwide vote is likely to translate into 4-5 seats (it is not likely but it's still paradoxically possible)

It's very simple arithmetic. I will do this from the best case scenario for PIS ( in other words from the point of view of a mentally ill person)

PIS: 34%
PO: 29%
SLD: 9%
Palikot: 7%
PSL: 5%

= a PO/Palikot/SLD possibly PSL coalition which= more socially progressive legislation such as the recognition of civil partnerships etc. (which I know that you and you bigoted PIS supporters very much approve of)

a bit more of explanatory words - jaroslawflis.salon24.pl/346891,prawo-i-matematyka

recognizing same sex marriages by the law is wrong in my oppinion and there are other ways of achieving the reasonable goals (not all goals that are desired to be achieved by recognition of same sex marriages are reasonable in the first place) some people want to achieve with such recognition

I must say a very surprising point of view given some of your previous posts, but welcome nonetheless. Of course this is a view that is completely at odds with PIS

And my best case scenario for PIS still holds, which means there is no way that PIS will form the next government.

if you think I count on that that PiS forms or takes part in the next government then you are wrong - I just simply won't be surprised by such a scenario - there are tonnes of possible scenarios with the rise of Ruch Palikota and PJN - the first article by Jarosław Flis I linked for you lists just a couple of scenarios

With pleasure.

The electoral mathematics mean that no matter what, the losers are going to be badly educated people living in rural areas. The PSL are a middle class party for the countryside, the SLD are from the cities, Palikot is from the cities and PO are only dominant in Western Poland. Therefore - when it comes to "who loses out" - all these parties are unlikely to support the people that support PiS. Therefore - we're likely to see reforms that hurt such voters the most.


Kaczynski's father being a prominent example.


I maintain that we could see Kaczynski and his loyalists overthrown in order to produce a PO-PiS coalition. Stranger things have happened in Polish politics...

PiS should be worried, however - their support is sticking stubbornly at 30% and no more. That's not going to win the election.

is Kaczyński a traitor of Poland because his father was in your logic? - if so where did you learn your logic delphi

I dunno, I don't see how he can rant about traitors and so on when his own father was one.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.

think you father was in UPA delphi and used to murder Poles - would you like to be called 'banderowiec' or held responsible for UPA crimes even if all you did in your life was actually something totally opposite to what UPA did? - are the sons responsible for the sins of their fathers - by what logic? - if so then half of the Germans should be convicted, wouldn't you agree?

Why are you so hateful ?

It's not hate, I believe that people who vote for PIS are either stupid and don't understand politics, they want a return to the old socialist past and the something for nothing culture, or they they are mentally ill.

They want a return to the past, but with their men in power and with other people doing the hard work.

I'm convinced that Solidarity (and PiS) never wanted an end to socialism, they just wanted the perks for themselves.

yes - Kaczyński is just another Gierek - oh sorry - actually Tusk is just another Gierek (indebting the nation on a massive scale, serious success propaganda)

well, I very much long for Jaruzelski back in power :) we should definitely nationalize Kulczyk, Krauze, Solorz and Michnik - why don't they actually nationalize themselves - they are all actually very much friends with Jaruzelski and Kiszczak (especially Michnik)

Yesterday, Tusk came to Krakow and ran 7 kilometers around Błonia fields, doing 2 laps. Wow!



It is good. Leaders should be fit. Do you remember Jimmy Carter in 1979? He almost fainted during the race. Americans saw their President utterly exhausted and it was a scary view for them.

Some experts say that it cost him the Presidency. The leader mustn`t be a weak wimp.

What they didn't show you was the mohair beret brigade gaining ground behind him ;)

Sean, have you ever tried to get professional help? :):):) You seem to be obsessed with mohair berets!

Why are you so thrilled about them? :):):):)

Um, I was joking ;) Polish politics are soooooooo boring so I like to spice it up with the comical midgets and stalwart bastions of Polish society, propping things up ;) ;)

Boring? With Jarosław Kaczyński and Janusz Palikot? Come on.

Palikot is a clown who should not be taken seriously. Seriously, what can he offer?

A hilarious advert by Ruch Palikota at 18:44. I must say it crosses some boundaries but it is very funny(:


I take it that you haven't looked at the total amount of money that PIS election promises add up to, very silly.

Palikot has a lot to offer to secular, young poles who want to radically change the course of the country. A polish ron paul if you will.

I am young and secular, this narco-homo-perverto-criminal has nothing to offer for me.

Well said, Greg. Shame on you for mentioning this clown in the same breath as the great Ron Paul, antheads. How exactly would he change Poland, antheads? Please give me a laugh.

Other clips:

SLD female candidate is strip teasing you to vote for her:
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PO`s latest clip which shows PiS` supporters in action and poses a fundamental question: They are going to vote. What about you?




Sean, get a grip! :):):):)

Latest news. Looks like Kaczynski has truly lost is, he is accusing Angela Merkel of collaborating with the Stazi, whilst refusing to go into details when pressed by the media for further details, whilst calling journalists who ask him uncomfortable questions of being Germans. God forbid Kaczynkis ever gets into government again.