Was it a simple oversight that you tended to focus on parents? If so why did you overlook Michnik from a family of red traitors with blood on their hands
I never cared about Michnik nor his dziennik.pl, I thought it was indistinguishable from wp.pl, onet.pl and interia.pl . But yeah, your sentence explains why PiS supporters hate him so much.
[Moved from]: Poland Left-Wing and Socialist Crimes yet to be judged
There are still many crimes commited by Socialists (Mostly of them still politically active in Poland at parties like SLD), Left-Wings and Communists in general to be judged.
The Institute of National Remembrance - Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (Polish: Instytut Pamięci Narodowej - Komisja Ścigania Zbrodni przeciwko Narodowi Polskiemu; IPN) is a Polish government-affiliated research institute with lustration prerogatives and prosecution powers founded by specific legislation.
It specialises in the legal and historical sciences and in particular the recent history of Poland.[4] IPN investigates both Nazi and Communist crimes committed in Poland between 1939 and 1989, documents its findings and disseminates the results of its investigations to the public.
Question is: Of the many crimes (Massacres, Rapes, cold blood murder, arson, persecution, genocide, etc) commited by the Left Wing, whose are those that should be judged with main priority?
You cannot accuse someone of being a communist just because of family ties.
Why? It shows the values that they were brought up with. It's not a surprise that many PiS voters are the children of ex-PZPR members - it shows that their "patriotism" is actually more about "getting as much as we can from the country".
Why? It shows the values that they were brought up with
wonder what values had Komorowskis wife then.her father was one of most importatnt UB officer,in MOST vicious 4-th MBP department. actually both her parents were UB officers.
But even more PO voters have family PZPR roots. And not just grass-roots voters. More importantly, there are over 4 times more ex-commies among PO MPs than among PiS MPs. Should I re-post the list?
her father was one of most importatnt UB officer,in MOST vicious department. actually both her parents were UB officers.
Now now Gregy, your parents were also involved with the Party, so you shouldn't be slinging any mud.
Usually is like that: The bright son, with a brilliant future, realizes that the Right Wing is the best way.
What, like working for Muslims in Saudi Arabia? :D
More to the point, those of us living in Poland know that PiS have far more similarities to corrupt left wing governments than any genuine right wing government.
Now now Gregy, your parents were also involved with the Party, so you shouldn't be slinging any mud.
not sure,dont compare party membership to active UB officer from 4- department of public security.those people job was torturing ,killing and prosecuting opposition people and common folk.
Being a grass-roots member to help make ends meet as Gregy's dad was and being a member of the hated secret police that tortured and killed Polish freedom-fighters and patriots is an entirely different pair of shoes. You are really running out of arguments and clutching at straws, true Brit Bully and Limey Lounge fashion. Still haven't heard you mention Stefan Michnik, Balcerowicz, Geremek, Kuroń, Nałęcz, etc. who were more than just grass-roots members..
Stop trying to defend their Party membership. At the end of the day, they were actively supporting the regime
you say cus you have no clue what u talking about.am from 40k town hundreds miles away from Warsaw..PZPR membership there meant good job in rural area and drinking vodka on social meetings.not torturing people.like Komoruskis wife father was doing.
Even worse. Party members in small towns were very much in control of every day life - they were the ones doing the real bidding of the Russians, not the spoiled old men in Warsaw.
Being a grass-roots member to help make ends meet as Gregy's dad was and being a member of the hated secret police that tortured and killed Polish freedom-fighters and patriots is an entirely different pair of shoes.
No, it really wasn't. If you joined the Party, you supported them and their revolting apparatus. While some of us may have willingly collaborated for the sake of a nice house in a nice part of town, some of us are also free to call it how it is - nothing but collaboration.
So start a thread exposing and lambasting the Kurońs, Balcerowiczes, Geremeks, Michniks, Nałęczes and many other card-carrying commies doing the bidding of the Soviet-installed party.
People that should be judged for treason, by the way.
I was reading about the so called "Polish Watergate", when the socialists of the SLD bribed the biggest polish newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, in exchange for support to them.
Anyone know if the guilty ones are in jail? And how is Gazeta Wyborcza now? Are they still a socialist newspaper?
More infos about the scandal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rywin_affair
I was reading about the so called "Polish Watergate", when the socialists of the SLD bribed the biggest polish newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, in exchange for support to them.
Poor Levi. If you actually read what you linked to, you'd see that Gazeta Wyborcza wasn't bribed at all, and it was in fact some renegade that tried to suggest that if Agora paid the SLD, they would get the law changed in their favour. 11 years on, it's obvious that there was no actual corruption there.
Could you at least try and post about something that you actually know about, as opposed to reading Wikipedia?
By the way, Gazeta Wyborcza isn't socialist, and the 2001-2005 SLD is widely considered to be a centre-right government, not least because of the way that they committed troops to Iraq and their right wing economic policy.
Ever since the Michnik clique hijacked what was supposed to have been a Solidarność newspaper and handed it over to a private Jew-run corporation (Agora), the so-called Selective Gazette (Gazeta Wybiórcza) has been a leftist-libertine-zionist rag. That does not seem likely to change any time oon.
Do explain how a company can be private when shares in it are listed on the Warsaw Stock Exchange. Also, why do you always insist on claiming that Agora and Gazeta Wyborcza are 'Jew-run'? I've never once seen you mention that the organisation you claim to have worked for for decades was controlled by a Jewish family, do you only mention Jewish ownership of things which you consider to be left wing?
Guys , no need to worry about the left wingers anymore, the polish people dabbled with it to see if it would be a magic button to solve Poland;s problems but it failed, people are now more concerned about security and the protection of their religion and culture that has come under attack from Europe itself.
(Excluding cafe latte city dwellers) Everyone I talk to, even those who voted PO say not again, enough is enough. The problem is that this leaves a political vacuum, all governments need a credible opposition
PO RIDDLED WITH EX-COMMIES ANDSECRET POLICE INFORMERS
Hunting out the few PiS people with links to the former regime is laughable considering how their chief rival PO is riddled with ex-commies and the PZPR regime's secret collaborators (SC).
Such people have held posts of high responsibility and prominence in the Platformer camp and included:
BARBARA KUDRYCKA: Tusk's education min., belonged to PZPR. ANDRZEJ RZEPLIŃSKI: PO-backed Constitutional Tribunal member; PZPR member. ANDRZEJ OLECHOWSKI: PO co-founder; PZPR member and collaborator of PRL special services sent to USA as a spy; served as finance and foreign minister in post-1989 governemnts;
MICHA£ BONI: Tusk's adviser, admitted to signing a pledge to be an SB former in 1985. ZB. ĆWIĄKALSKI: Tusk's justice min. and prosecutor general; PZPR cell leader and SB SC. IWONA ŚLEDZIŃSKA-KARASIŃKA: PO MP; worked for PZPR organ "Głos Robotniczy"; lost bid for culture min. in Jerzy Buzek's govt after her anti-Semitic activities were revealed.
ZBIGNIEW PAW£OWICZ: PO senator; secret collaborator of PRL military counter-intelligence. KAZIMIERZ KUTZ: film-maker; PO senator;registered as SC canadidate as early as 1971. MAREK KONOPKA: PO senator; registered during marial law as a secret collaborator of PRL military counter-intelligence. JAN KURATA: PO MP, secret SB collaborator.
NOTE: Those who read Polish will find a more complete list of PO-linked collaborators and ex-commies at:
All-pervasive cleverly worded propaganda of slick, glib and slippery politicians has long been known to sway the masses. Hitler was physically unattractive, had BO and objectively came across as a wildly gesticulating buffoon. And yet, the overwhelming majrotiy of one of Europe's most culturally and civilisationally (?) advanced nations fell for it all hook, line and sinker.
Because it's ideology IS strongly anti-communist, the few straggly exceptions notwithstanding. The question is why over 8 years of Plateformer misrule it was not you who ever saw fit to even mention the significant number ex-commies and secret-police collaborators popualting the PO leadership and ranks. Not a single time! Were you unaware of the degree of infiltration? Or, conversely, were you fully aware but as a paid PO propagandist (or unpaid useful idiot) you felt you had to sweep it under the carpet?
Because it's ideology IS strongly anti-communist, the few straggly exceptions notwithstanding.
If it's so strong, why do they have anything to do with anyone that was a member of the PZPR? It's just a facade, given that their links to the PZPR are a lot stronger than they care to admit.
The question is why over 8 years of Plateformer misrule it was not you who ever saw fit to even mention the significant number ex-commies and secret-police collaborators popualting the PO leadership and ranks.
PO never claimed to be strongly anti-communist. They're not hypocrites, unlike PiS.
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