Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland

Tax revenue from second homes, and end tax breaks for leaving houses and flats empty.

Sadly, no party in PL ever seems to have the balls to do that.

Oh I know and that is why the U.S. is tired of paying for them to protect your lazy asses while you suck off the U.S.'s hind tit for free.
You are finally realizing how much freedom costs and it is long over due.
Thank you President Trump for putting your foot down to end this milk sopping shiftless bunch.

We buy them JR. with our taxes. And are normally locked into long term agreements

@johnny reb, again, Poland isn't getting any "cutting edge weapons" from the US "for free", so what are you talking about?


I will gladly say "Thank you" to any American president who contributes to the security of Poland, including Joe Biden :) who in 2022 announced that the first permanent American garrison would appear in Poland and he kept his word. It's in Poznań and it's called Camp Kościuszko. Poland has been asking for American permanent presence on Polish soil for years. Mariusz Błaszczak, the Minister of National Defence during the PiS rule, called it "a historical moment" back then.


I'm really curious then what kind of "latest technology in equipment and training" Trump gave Poland that no other country on this planet was offered :) Could you name those things? Because all of what you mentioned earlier (Abram tanks, F-35 fighter jets, Apache and Black Hawk helicopters, HIMAR rocket launchers and Patriot missile systems) are in possession of quite a few other countries, not only Poland.


You must know something that I don't then, because I am not aware of any "advanced cutting edge weaponry the United States protects and keeps for itself" which the US would share only with Poland.


Don't get me wrong, I am (and probably majority of Poles) very thankful for what the US did for Poland for years* (and not just one president). I'm just setting the record straight - there's a number of countries that have the same American military equipment that Poland got and it isn't thanks to just one American president.

*For example, I don't know if you're aware, but Polish GROM special forces unit was basically built from scratch with the help/training provided by the British and American special forces. And that happened already in the 1990's. There's even an alley at the GROM base in Warsaw named after one of the Delta instructors who trained the very first GROM snipers :)

Income from second homes is already taxed in Poland and capital gains tax also payable on second homes

@cms neuf
And far too little.

Plus of course the sheer number of flats/houses either standing empty almost always or used only at weekends. Something to penalise in order to alleviate demand and homelessness.

In Poland ? Most " second homes" are small wooden shacks on a dzialka or maybe for the upper classes a small flat on the coast.

Taxing them for standing empty won't help homelessness and irrespective of the morals it's a bad tax from a politicians viewpoint because it would be unpopular but raise hardly any money

Those aren't the problem.


It would discourage people from doing this.

I never used the word free and never implied free, you are the one that keeps doing that so what are YOU talking about.
One may come to the conclusion that you just want to argue. until you win even if it takes a week or two of you doing it. LOL

No, they are classified as NUNYA so don't ask again

35 years ago before computerized weapons or military satellites even existed.
Let me ask you this my friend, "How many countries in the world have access to the United States military satellites ?"
Are you aware that Polish soldiers are training right now within 50 miles of where I live.
There are a lot of things concerning the Polish military that you don't know about all by design.
And I am not talking about the grunt snipers out in the field.
Should we talk about our laser weapons, satellite weapons, and secret weapons on a two bit forum just to satisfy your curiosity ?
Really Paulina, these things are of no concern or importance to you.
Not to fret, Nawrocki and Trump will keep you safe so you can sleep well.

So now you are dictating how people spend their money ?
Steal from the rich and give to the poor work shy
You sound like a full blown Liberal.


No jon, look at the section 8 neighborhoods where the homeless have been given brand new homes and go back in two years and they are trashed.
It doesn't work, remember Adrian giving you many examples of this? Apparently you didn't get it did you.
Give a man a fish.........lala...

But you did - here:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-karol-nawrocki-new-president-88922/4/#msg2030725


Ah, so you're talking out of your ass :D


When Poland wasn't even in NATO yet - American elite special forces were training and sharing their tactics and equipment with Poles :)


Poland, Japan, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and the Czech Republic, "as well as other NATO countries that leverage the WGS system when needed".

@Paulina

Paulna, my treasure, try not to embarrass yourself with the answer that does not make sense.Jonny correctly stated that America provides Poland with the newest weapons and technology. I will point out that all the weapons and technology originated in America, so it is irrelevant what country possesses what at the moment
Point of origin, that is what matters, so do not start the silly fight just for the sake of arguing. It is not shameful to admit that Poland is not capable of that kind of production, yet. So is the rest of the world.So my dearest, before you attend the rodeo with cowboy Jonny, learn to ride 'em or you end up with a painful, black and blue tushy. Here is your post

So dear Paulina, what is your point?

Why? We're talking about Poland.


???

Again, the word ONLY is irrelevant. Poland and other deserving countries, that's the crux of the matter

My point is that what johnny_reb keeps claiming about only Poland getting this or that isn't true. He wrote that "Trump gave Poland the latest technology in equipment and training that no other country was offered." That's simply not the case. I don't know what is the point of him making such claims.
Also, Poland has been buying American military equipment not only under Trump, but also under Biden and other American presidents. So Trump just continues what other American administrations were doing - allowing an ally buy their military stuff. As I wrote - I'm just setting the record straight.


No, it isn't "irrelevant", because it isn't true. If the truth isn't relevant for you then that's a problem.


Then why won't he just write that instead of lying about it?

Forget it Ptak, she just likes to argue like always

Yes P, for free U.S. defense protection not free military weapons that you were talking about.
Stay in tune girl

On the contrary, I am not talking about classified weapons at all just to satisfy your curiosity.

They were still communist back in 1989 weren't they ?

Yeah but not the secret ones that are of cutting edge that ONLY the U.S. has access to.
You have no idea what Musk put up there besides Star Link.
Off to my other life of fishing so see ya all later.

Oh jon, go look at the Polish ghetto's of Lodz, Krakow, Bialystok, Kielce, Zwiedzamy, Walbrzyske, Bramy and many others in Poland.
These people trash anything nice and take care of nothing.
Most are alcoholics or druggies.
Don't play stupid.
Give them a nice vacation home that they couldn't afford to keep up and in two years it would be ghetto.
Your way is just enabling the problem for a quick fix.
It has been tried and your way doesn't work like Arian told you.
Do you ever admit that you could be wrong ?

Say you've never been to Poland without saying you've never been to Poland.

A pretty weird list too. Do you know why?

I'm not arguing, I'm just correcting your non-factual information :)


If you're talking about boots on the ground then even that isn't 100% free.


The democratic transition in Poland started already in 1989 actually.


If they were so "secret" that there would be no mention of it in the media whatsoever then you wouldn't be privy to such classified information, so cut the bullsh1t :)

:D

I didn't realise we have "ghettos" in Kielce ;D Do tell where they're located! :)))


Yup.


Is it because there are no such places in Poland like "Zwiedzamy" and "Bramy" and "wałbrzyskie" is a whole region and not a town or a city? ;)

@Paulina
It is indeed.

I wondered if by "Bramy" he meant a a particular housing estate wit( striking architecture, however if he thinks it's some sort of urban squalor he'd be very wrong.

Maybe zwiedzamy his town and have a look.


Like PAK's secret kill switch which he assured us that American arms manufacturers put in all their products (as if the buyers don't check every item). If it were anything other than BS, he'd either be leaking a major government secret that he doesn't know or he'd be a whistleblower determined to stop all arms sales.

Really ! lol
You don't live here so you wouldn't know how it works here.
How about headlines that read: Space X launched a Titan rocket with an undisclosed military payload last night."
Give up Paulina or go argue with the guy in the mirror.

lol!
There is a protest in front of the German embassy in Warsaw. They must have read my posts, one of their slogans - take away your butler! (ie. Tusk).

Hahaha!

From the point of view of a person that has lived in Russia and in America - the "wild" differences between PiS and PO are truly staggering.

1) Both PiS and PO are resolutely pro-EU. There are no serious personalities discussing a Polexit, or Orban style confrontation with Brussels.

2) Both PiS and PO are among the most pro-NATO parties on the continent. Nobody is questioning Article V, but instead everyone competes with the other based on how good their relations are with Donald Trump. A shift between these two parties represents a total foreign policy nothing burger, as they are both super Atlanticist.

3) Heavy taxation and social spending are bipartisan. Despite being a supposedly "conservative" party, PiS historically spends like a drunken sailor. PO at the same time does not even bother to challenge them, and treats things like 500 and pension expansion as an electoral reality.

4) Cultural policy is more differentiated by posture and tone, rather than actual substance. Yes, PiS has taken a harder line on abortion, judicial reforms, media policy, and LGBT stuff. At the same time - neither party proposes legal abortion on demand like in Western Europe. Both parties are culturally Catholic and neither challenges the role of the Church in society. PO may frame itself as "tolerant" or "liberal," but it clearly rules out radical secularization.

5) As everybody here understands, the real story here is a decades long competition between two very flawed men. At its core, it's not about policies but personalities. Kaczynski versus Tusk. Old resentments over Smolensk, state media, the judiciary, and institutional control.

As I told Kania - nothing will change. This is intra-elite factional war. It's not a class war or ideological struggle. It's about who administers the Brussels money, and not whether to take it or not.

Poland is not turning into Hungary, and neither is it turning into Sweden. Relax Poles!

Contrast this with Russian or American elections, where you can get a guy that decides to pull out of NATO and tariff all of America's friends, or a dude that decides it's a good idea to invade Ukraine. And even in these countries... elections don't really change much!

What worries me, as I said before, is the very American 50/50 split and how people are discussing the election.

He probably copied some random stuff that came up in his Google search (like "zwiedzamy wałbrzyskie") lol


Haha ;D


Well, I know that American military personnel don't share classified information even with their spouses (or at least they shouldn't), so how would you have access to such info?


The fact that there are things that American military uses that are secret doesn't automatically mean that they share it only with Poland ;D🤦

The Michigan Mystic is all knowing

Yes, your view is strikingly similar to that of RuSSians (that I've discussed with) talking about the US politics who were claiming that Democrats and Republicans are like Coca Cola and Pepsi just because neither of them was pro-RuSSian (at least at that time when I discussed with those RuSSians) lol


Not PiS.


Not really.


And... that's "no biggie" according to you? lol 🤦


Tusk's party is in favour of legal abortion up to 12 weeks.

You're not so well informed on Polish politics, it seems o_O

That's not what I said though, is it. I referenced their position on NATO.


What are you talking about? Under PiS, Poland was the largest recipient of EU transfer funds in the entire Union. Furthermore, there is simply no way PiS can be in any way anti-EU, when polls show that 80%+ of Poles support continued EU membership. PiS can be Eurosceptic, but not anti-EU. Kaczynski has some weird formulation he prefers, where he says he wants a "union of sovereign states".


No, really. What is Nawrocki doing in Trump's Oval Office, if he was still just a candidate? Why is Tusk falling over himself to tout Poland as the country that did the most to fulfill Trump's demand on defense spending?


My point was that the difference was nearly always in tone and posture, and not the actual substance. I concluded by saying Poland is neither Hungary nor Sweden. The piece about abortion specifically - said "abortion on demand".

geez, even a foreigner living abroad knows better than you. Do you feel embarrassed by your ignorance?
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Agree. Tusk was that monkey the EU sent in front to mock Trump in their stead. He is the clown who was used before Trump was elected the POTUS.
His formation is more Brussels, Berlin-oriented, as they are sad butlers of the German EU.
No party in Poland questions our NATO membership, which is not a secret.

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Silly, they might be in favor of anything, but as long as they aren't legislating said policies, it means they agree with the status quo, no matter their reasoning. So Bobko is right.

What surprises me is that you belong to that fringe minority of stupid people for whom the so-called right to kill their child is a must. yuck!

Yes, but your attitude reminds me a lot of that sentiment/mentality. Those pro-Putin RuSSians were saying the same thing about Poland - all parties in Poland were "the same", according to them, because none was pro-RuSSian ;D Very RuSSian-centric.


Well, they are - they are against the way EU is now and where it's supposedly heading - getting more integrated. That's not the case with Tusk's party - they're pro-EU with no such reservations as far as I know.


He's not "falling over himself" - Tusk simply stated facts.


You're wrong though.