ignoring the presidential veto?
How would that work?
Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland
How would that work?
Ask Tusk
Będziemy przedkładać gotowe już projekty ustaw, ale jeżeli trzeba, będziemy rządzić i podejmować decyzje także przy blokującym dobre zmiany prezydencie. Doświadczenie już mamy
Its not democracy but 'militant democracy'.
Będziemy przedkładać gotowe już projekty ustaw, ale jeżeli trzeba, będziemy rządzić i podejmować decyzje także przy blokującym dobre zmiany prezydencie. Doświadczenie już mamy
Its not democracy but 'militant democracy'.
@amiga500, nothing in that quote says that the government will be somehow ignoring presidential vetos. It's not legally possible, so what are you on about? lol
It means that they will continue working as they did under Duda - that's all. Did they ignore any presidential vetos during Duda's rule? No. So get a grip lol
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także przy blokującym dobre zmiany prezydencie. Doświadczenie już mamy
It means that they will continue working as they did under Duda - that's all. Did they ignore any presidential vetos during Duda's rule? No. So get a grip lol
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Did they ignore any presidential vetos during Duda's rule?
That's because they were waiting for trashkowski to get elected. Times have changed.
They will say something like European union has demanded rule of law changes and European law supersedes the constitution in this instance and we'll lose all the EU money.
Or just quietly ignore the president as they know the media will only cover it for a short amount of time before a prostitute claims the president beat her up.
Besides they need to do something as they are headed towards electoral oblivion in two years.
@amiga500, you are talking complete bollocks lol
They will say no such thing lol :))) You seem to be really detached from Polish reality over there in Australia or you're projecting your PiS mentality on others.
What are you even talking about? lol You can't "quietly" pass bills if the president vetos them - they simply don't become the law. That's it. End of story. 🤨
Nah, you don't know that. Nobody knows what will happen in two years time.
They will say something like European union has demanded rule of law changes and European law supersedes the the constitution.
They will say no such thing lol :))) You seem to be really detached from Polish reality over there in Australia or you're projecting your PiS mentality on others.
Or just quietly ignore the president as they know the media will only cover it for a short amount of time
What are you even talking about? lol You can't "quietly" pass bills if the president vetos them - they simply don't become the law. That's it. End of story. 🤨
Besides they need to do something as they are headed towards electoral oblivion in two years.
Nah, you don't know that. Nobody knows what will happen in two years time.
Can you fire the national prosecutor and hire a new one without the consent of the president? Or can you break the law and just ignore him in a militant democracy?
This is what tusk is talking about that we have experience in dealing with an unwilling president.
The POrks have broken the law numerous times. TVP etc
This is what tusk is talking about that we have experience in dealing with an unwilling president.
The POrks have broken the law numerous times. TVP etc
Can you fire the national prosecutor and hire a new one without the consent of the president?
If you're talking about Dariusz Barski then according to the Ministry of Justice he was appointed by his buddy Ziobro illegally, so... I guess you could say he wasn't the national prosecutor in the first place.
The POrks have broken the law numerous times. TVP etc
What "numerous times"?
As for TVP - I was against that and I wrote about it on the forum. I'm afraid that's the new "quality" that PiS has introduced into Polish politics - they started breaking the law and Constitution from the very beginning of their rule in 2015, even passing bills under the cover of the night - hoping that noone will notice or care. You didn't complain back then, did you? Now, I'm afraid, we're all reaping what was sown by PiS back then.
PiS has introduced into Polish politics
BS. It was PO that started the whole undemocratic and unlawful shenanigans by unconstitutionally trying to stack the constitutional tribunal just before they left office.
Anyway let's see who turns out to be right I think tusk if he remains in power will ignore presidential vetoes.
Browsing times of Israel is really hard, 3/4 of the content is about how brave jews fu*cked someone up again and how those damned arabs dared to respond
there was still gold somewhere at the bottom
timesofisrael.com/conservative-holocaust-revisionist-karol-nawrocki-wins-polish-presidential-election/
there was still gold somewhere at the bottom
timesofisrael.com/conservative-holocaust-revisionist-karol-nawrocki-wins-polish-presidential-election/
From times of israel.
Nawrocki led efforts to topple monuments to the Soviet Red Army in Poland, and Russia responded by putting him on a wanted list.
No wonder Bobko and Kania hate him so much! Haha
Nawrocki led efforts to topple monuments to the Soviet Red Army in Poland, and Russia responded by putting him on a wanted list.
No wonder Bobko and Kania hate him so much! Haha
I imagine Tusk's tactic will be to introduce some popular legislation and then challenge Nawrocki to veto it. That means more giveaways - just at a time when the debt is already high.
But in any case that is what a lot of Nawrocki voters want - handouts from the hardworking city taxpayers
But in any case that is what a lot of Nawrocki voters want - handouts from the hardworking city taxpayers
trading shares importing electronics and posting about North nigerians isn't particularly hard work compared to farming life or a trade occupation in the village.
I have a farm too Amiga. For 25 years now. And I don't spend all my farming days moaning about how the govt, the EU and Biedronka owe me a living
When it comes down to it we are all sick of PiS voters bellyaching
When it comes down to it we are all sick of PiS voters bellyaching
It was PO that started the whole undemocratic and unlawful shenanigans by unconstitutionally trying to stack the constitutional tribunal just before they left office.
Ah, so PiS decided to make it even worse and create unprecedented problem of "legal dualism" in Poland? That was supposed to be that "good change"? lol Completely taking TVP over and changing it into something on the level of RuSSian state TV - that was OK, according to you? Taking over and trying to shut down independent media? That was supposed to be that "good change"? PiS has authoritarian tendencies and that's been hurting the state of democracy in Poland on a scale that I haven't seen since the fall of communism.
Anyway let's see who turns out to be right I think tusk if he remains in power will ignore presidential vetoes.
I really doubt it - there's no legal reason for that - Nawrocki wasn't somehow nominated by PiS as the president against the law - he was elected by the people. So his vetoes will be legal. End of story.
No wonder Bobko and Kania hate him so much!
I don't know about that - Bobko was defending his hooligan past, so I'm guessing he prefers Nawrocki over Trzaskowski. 🤔
But in any case that is what a lot of Nawrocki voters want -
That's been PiS's MO since 2015.... It's the party of gibsmedat
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gibsmedat
Both of you are stuck in the past. Our new president did not promise any new social spending and PiS will be a lot more economically libertarian as they have to form a coalition with konfa after the next election.
@amiga500, "our new president"? Do you have the right to vote in Polish elections?
Um... I will believe it when I see it... lol
and PiS will be a lot more economically libertarian
Um... I will believe it when I see it... lol
Our new president did not promise any new social spending
karolnawrocki2025.pl/podatki/
Six of one... how would the tax shortfalls be made up?
Do you have the right to vote in Polish elections?
If you don't want to be seen as a dumb blond don't ask dumb questions. I already posted who I voted for in the first and seco
nd rounds on the other thread.
quote=mafketis]how would the tax shortfalls be made up[/quote]
Tax enforcement on big tech and multinationals hopefully. Also reinstating the VAT fraud office that is being dismantled by PO.
In the 8 years in charge PiS were in economic terms, the most leftwing govt in the EU.
High spending, new taxes aimed at small businesses and the successful, statist control of large industry, persistant interference in the forex market.
High spending, new taxes aimed at small businesses and the successful, statist control of large industry, persistant interference in the forex market.
Tax enforcement on big tech and multinationals hopefully
Well libertarianism seemed to die pretty quickly there....
in economic terms, the most leftwing govt in the EU
Yes, PiS are essentially socially conservative socialists...
Well libertarianism seemed to die pretty quickly there....
Call it populist libertarianism..
If you don't want to be seen as a dumb blond don't ask dumb questions. I already posted who I voted for in the first and second rounds on the other thread.
I didn't follow that thread and didn't see your comments.
How is my question "dumb" though? You live in Australia, don't you? And judging by your poor level of Polish I assumed that you were born in Australia. Weren't you? 🤨
Muy polsko barzo dobra
@amiga500, I hope it's a joke... lol 😳😂
So were you or were you not born in Australia?
So were you or were you not born in Australia?
What's wrong with tax enforcement on multinationals at the moment in Poland ? It is higher than in most countries and both PiS and PO have made it stronger (in fact it's over the top at the moment - way too much form filling and little commercial understanding)
So that leaves the idea of a tax on tech companies. Good luck with that - it's a good concept morally but Poland is an expendable country for them and in any case Golden Cow will back them to the hilt
So that leaves the idea of a tax on tech companies. Good luck with that - it's a good concept morally but Poland is an expendable country for them and in any case Golden Cow will back them to the hilt
ignore presidential vetoes
The sejm may, by a 3/5 majority vote, in the presence of at least half of deputies, reject the president's veto.
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That Fort Trump doesn't exist though:
I understand that and was using the Fort Trump era as when Trump deployed up to 10,000 troops to Poland for your protection.
A thank you would be enough.
I am not aware of Trump "giving" anything to Poland (for free).
I never said free, you did so you could argue.
I said that Trump gave Poland the latest technology in equipment and training that no other country was offered.
I never mentioned money
This has been happening for years.
But not with the advanced cutting edge weaponry that the United States protects and keeps for itself unless you know something I don't.
Besides Israel? lol (and probably some others)
Israel is the exception and you can thank your lucky stars for that.
And you used that word "probably" very loosely.
Here is one good example of the latest cutting edge technology that the U.S. "GAVE" Poland to protect yourselves.
msn.com/en-us/news/technology/polish-f-16s-get-cutting-edge-upgrade-to-rival-5th-gen-jets/ar-AA1Eh8k3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c3de1c27cbbc4456aa452072ea4a1179&ei=30
to deal with Nawrocki,
Who the candidates are is not that important. Many people voted either in support of the government or against it.
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I see you're too narrow-minded to comprehend that there are people in Poland who have different views
Those who support KO and Tusk consist of people with varying opinions. Some have vested interests in the rule of those like Tusk and his associates. Others are misled by campaigns funded by foreign factors, while some are simply misinformed.
These individuals are drawn to slogans and fail to recognize or understand the tangible consequences of certain policies on their lives.
Give it a rest JR. we are paying for the US presence and while the cutting edge weapons are nice, they are also expensive. I can't help thinking a few finance ministers are looking at what Ukraine has just achieved with 500 dollar drones