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Goodbye Sunday Shopping in Poland - Hello Electoral Reform


mafketis 21 | 7,458
15 Mar 2018 #151
I buy Polish pasta, why would I pay twice as much for Italian pasta?

Some Polish pasta is okay, but it tends to go from undercooked to overcooked and soggy in the blink of an eye. Italian pasta is better, and French pasta is even better....
cms neuf - | 1,021
15 Mar 2018 #152
All big towns are close to full employment and there are plenty of other options for workers in other industries. The ironic thing is that conditions in retail are better than in many other industries.

The effect of this law is that hundreds of thousands of people who had stable work patterns now will have to change them as hours are extended on the other 6 days. A tiny proportion of retail employees belong to 5e trade unions who initiated this change
kaprys 2 | 1,911
15 Mar 2018 #153
The funny part is that work inspectors (or whatever inspektorzy pracy are called in English) are forced to work on Sundays to make sure the new law isn't broken :)
Dougpol1 33 | 3,245
15 Mar 2018 #154
People shouldn't be forced to work Sundays.

Have you heard the phrases "There's no barbed wire round the job" of "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"? This is not communism. Nobody told the person in question they have to work in Biedronka.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,245
15 Mar 2018 #155
why would I pay twice as much for Italian pasta?

Kaufland kapyrs. Same price. Good tucker. Here to help:) Italians don't do vodka. Poles don't do macaroni. Blatant protectionism is seeping in; somehow the supermarket buyers are being got at. I don't know if they are getting kickbacks, but why else are a lot of foreign brands being phased out?



jon357 63 | 14,254
15 Mar 2018 #156
Some Polish pasta is okay, but it tends to go from undercooked to overcooked and soggy in the blink of an eye.

It's the type of flour used. Works well in soup.

The funny part is that work inspectors.......are forced to work on Sundays to make sure the new law isn't broken :)

Sometimes even bad situations have their dry comedy...
kaprys 2 | 1,911
16 Mar 2018 #157
@Dougpol1
I wouldn't tell difference between different types of vodka either.
That brand of pasta is pretty popular here. I don't buy it, though.
I doubt you'd see it at Biedronka- they usually sell their own stuff there.
I don't go to my local Kaufland. I don't like it there. You obviously got your pasta.
There used to be an action called Teraz Polska that promoted Polish producers but that doesn't mean they got rid of other producers.
For example, I haven't been able to get olej kujawski at my local Auchan but I don't suspect conspiracy behind it.
When it comes to the reform, we just need to wait and see.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
16 Mar 2018 #158
it's hard for me to get toooo worked up about it, a day without consuming.... oh my god the sky is falling!

there's much better stuff going on for enemies of PiS to get their teeth into but since I refuse to start new threads nobody's addressing them, like the government giving themselves bonuses and morawiecki trying to conceal his wealth...
jon357 63 | 14,254
16 Mar 2018 #159
There used to be an action called Teraz Polska

Wasn't there a scandal about that organisation?

it's hard for me to get toooo worked up about it, a day without consuming.... oh my god the sky is falling!

Pretty hard for some families who work through the week.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,473
16 Mar 2018 #160
Oh because none of the shampoo socialists and linousine liberals have secret bank accounts secret shares in companies and offshore properties worth millions despite official.six figure salaries. Nope theyre all angels right maf?
mafketis 21 | 7,458
16 Mar 2018 #161
What on earth makes you think I'm suggesting that? You really read _waaaaaay_ too much into some things that people write.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,245
16 Mar 2018 #162
secret bank accounts

Or Kaczynski famously without a bank account you mean?

local Kaufland. I don't like it there

I know what you mean. A certain "atmosphere." Some good deals nonetheless:) When it's actually open. :( :(
OP Atch 17 | 2,915
16 Mar 2018 #163
Kaczynski famously without a bank account

Yes it's all stored in an underground vault no doubt :D probably the same bunker where he plans to hide out if 'they' ever come after him.
kaprys 2 | 1,911
16 Mar 2018 #164
Honestly speaking, I liked shopping on Sundays. I'm often tired after work so Sunday shopping was just fine. But I'll have to get used to what we have now. Some more people will have a rest on Sundays.

Since most big shops are open 7-21 six days a week, there's enough time to do shopping.
I just hope the reform won't negatively influence supermarket workers.
I haven't heard about any scandal with Teraz Polska but since it's got Polska in its name, there must have been some, right, Jon? Tell me all about it.

There are some good memes about the reform, BTW ;)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
16 Mar 2018 #165
I'm often tired after work

What even to go shoe shopping!!
jon357 63 | 14,254
16 Mar 2018 #166
since it's got Polska in its name, there must have been some, right

Really? It certainly did have one, quite well publicised at the time. Corruption.

You can always pretend it didn't.

Personally I rarely go shopping on Sundays, however for busy families, especially where they have to be elsewhere on Saturday, Sunday shopping is a good thing.
kaprys 2 | 1,911
16 Mar 2018 #167
Source?
Not only do I remember nothing, I found no results in Google search.

@dolnoslask
That's what I had weekends for :)
mafketis 21 | 7,458
16 Mar 2018 #168
I found no results in Google search.

You finally accepted that lyzko knows more about Polish people than you (since he's had so much more experience with them), when will you accept that jon knows far more about things happening in the country? If he says there was a scandal then of course there was a scandal and there's something wrong with you if you don't believe him.

Get with the program!
kaprys 2 | 1,911
17 Mar 2018 #169
I do!
He told me to pretend it didn't happen. And I am!
But deep in my heart I know he's right. He always knows best. Even if he has nothing to support his claims.

Seriously speaking, freedom of speech is one thing, the laws of libel and slander another. But perhaps I'm wrong. I might gave googled wrong words or bloody Poles manipulated Google search results.
Sparks11 - | 335
17 Mar 2018 #170
The argument that people have 6 other days to do their shopping doesn't really work for me. Many people essentially have 2 days to do their shopping, at larger stores that is, as they often return home from work in the evening and have other responsibilities besides wandering around Carrefour for a couple of hours. Who goes to Ikea on Tuesday evening? This law cut people's ability to do certain kinds of shopping in half.
cms neuf - | 1,021
17 Mar 2018 #171
Last week was OK because it was warm and lots of people were outside in the garden or doing sports. This weekend it's terrible weather so I think it's going to be more of a challenge to keep the kids occupied tomorrow.
jon357 63 | 14,254
19 Mar 2018 #172
It turns out that the wife of a PiS posel opened her shop all day (with hired staff). When a journalist who went there phoned up for comments, first she denied it had been open, then she claimed it was open for 5 minutes for a 'special customer' only, then when the journalist told her she'd bought things there, she said it was actually open for 15 minutes, and then when challenged, refused to speak.

Her husband is one of the strongest proponents of the ban on Sunday trading.

He always knows best

In this case yes. I'm surprised you don't remember.
O WELL 1 | 158
19 Mar 2018 #173
PiS posel opened her shop all day (with hired staff

And how would you or media know that she didnt make the workers working .001% owner of the business??Owners are allowed to work on sundays REMEMBER?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
19 Mar 2018 #174
It turns out that the wife of a PiS posel opened her shop all day (with hired staff).

Not a surprise in the slightest. PiS have always been known for their utter hypocrisy, and this is just yet another example of it.
O WELL 1 | 158
19 Mar 2018 #175
(with hired staff)

Owners can be legally paid for there work and be a hired staff.
kaprys 2 | 1,911
19 Mar 2018 #176
@jon357
You need to remind me. A link?
If it happened, it should be online.
If you can't provide a link, I will be sure you're making things up again.

An MP being hypocritical???? No way!
It's not the first or last time.

@Sparks11
You don't really need to visit Ikea every weekend. As for groceries, make a list before you go. Don't wander around idly, just get things you need. You will save time.

@cms neuf
You keep kids busy by taking them shopping?

I'm not a fan of the reform. I see a lot of drawbacks. But what will grumbling change?
cms neuf - | 1,021
19 Mar 2018 #177
Sometimes yes, and especially in winter when many other attractions (zoo, park, kolejka) are either closed or forlorn looking - it gets them out the house, there are plenty of kids activities in big malls (even if open now they will be unviable) , it's warm, clean, there are toilets and plenty of place to park and if we want to buy a small toy for good behaviour then we can do so. By the way teenagers like malls - they can shop and meet girls there.

Yesterday I took one for a swim and one for a freezing walk in the forest - hope that satisfies your good parenting criteria

You don't need to visit Ikea every weekend unless you happen to be building or buying a place - like millions of young hard working Polish families are at the he moment. Then you will probably visit a lot - people don't have cash to do a years furtnuture shopping at one stroke.

For me it's about freedom to do what you want with your spare time - we pay taxes and work hard, why can't we spend weekends how we feel like it ?
Dougpol1 33 | 3,245
19 Mar 2018 #178
Exactly. Instead, some people clearly enjoy abdicating decision making, and prefer being dictated to.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
19 Mar 2018 #179
Wasn't there a scandal about that organisation?

In this case yes. I'm surprised you don't remember.

Honestly, I don't remember it either. And after a quick google search, there has come up nothing about it. Tthe explanation may be that there are too many scandals in Poland every week or this was such a minor one that it has gone deeply down in google rankings.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
19 Mar 2018 #180
this was such a minor one

I maybe very vaguely remember something minor (usual crap with kickbacks or something like that) but I might be mistaken and have it confused with something else.

Since jon brought it up it's his responsibility to provide a link or accept that maybe _his_ memory isn't what it used to be... starość nie radość as they say.


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