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Goodbye Sunday Shopping in Poland - Hello Electoral Reform


gumishu 11 | 5,191
19 Mar 2018 #181
people don't have cash to do a years furtnuture shopping at one stroke.

if they don't have enough cash to buy all furniture at once they would not be able to do it week after week as well
cms neuf - | 1,589
19 Mar 2018 #182
Er..... they might go every month, you know when they get paid. Radical idea

Its not just Ikea by the way - sone of the biggest businesses in this sector are Polish owned, Agata, BRW, Bodzio
gumishu 11 | 5,191
19 Mar 2018 #183
i'm not in favour of the ban to be honest - PiS gave in to Solidarność and the church so I sort of understand them - they wouldn't do it if not pressured
cms neuf - | 1,589
19 Mar 2018 #184
There were other possibilities that most people would accept - limited hours or a higher minimum wage for Sundays - but they went for a "complete" ban except for a bunch of PiS voting interests like florists, small shop owners etc.

I know that 45 percent of Poles arw in favor but if you only asked the 6m that work in the private sector they are overwhelmingly afainst this
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Mar 2018 #185
Owners can be legally paid for there work and be a hired staff.

In this case, the newspaper in question considered it a significant enough breach of the new regulations to report on it.

PiS have always been known for their utter hypocrisy, and this is just yet another example of it.

A glaring example, since the posel in question wants the existing laws to be even tighter so no trading can happen

it's his responsibility to provide a link or accept that maybe

Since this isn't a debating society or an academic forum, there's no responsibility to do anything at all, as well you know.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
19 Mar 2018 #186
Pretty hard for some families who work through the week.

BS. A straw man, besides you don't give a flying copulation about those hypothetical families.

The argument that people have 6 other days to do their shopping doesn't really work for me.

Well, welcome to diversity of opinions. I hope your IQ is higher that 83 and you're able to adjust to changes.

Maf you listed to fake news, that make some BS stories about Morawiecki, he has no reason to hide his wealth, it doesn't even make sense. Why not talk about a prominent PO politician who lied about his wealth? He is well and OK and endorsed by his party. What kind of the third world standards are those? Yet, you don't even utter a whisper about it. Funny that !!!lol! Mr NoPartisanBias.

I'm objective here and I have no partisan bias.
As to your second point is the way the rotten post-commie system works in Poland. It has been a standard practice of all gov in Poland and is sad that PiS doesn't even try to change it or reform it.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Mar 2018 #187
A straw man

A reality. It isn't 1965 any more; some families have very very busy schedules.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
19 Mar 2018 #188
I'm sure they can manage, isn't that big of an obstacle.
kaprys 3 | 2,369
19 Mar 2018 #189
@cms neuf
Or they may save the money till the next Sunday when Ikea, Agata or brw are open. Or shop online.
I didn't mean to question your parenting skills. You managed to entertain the kids somehow.
I happen to be a working person, too. I'm planning to redecorate the flat in a couple of months. I'll face some problems for sure. Will they be any smaller if I complain about it here?

@Dougpol
It's not about decision making. Grumbling online isn't decision making.

As for me, so far, so good. I managed to do most of the shopping in the week. I just had to buy some veggies on Saturday.

On Sunday it turned out I didn't have a spare light bulb. I borrowed one from my parents.
It turned out I didn't have to go and buy it (and lots of other useless things). I keep wondering if we'll get back to situations I remember from my childhood: a neighbour asking 'Pani Xyz, pożyczy Pani szklankę mąki? ' ;)
mafketis 23 | 8,404
19 Mar 2018 #190
this isn't a debating society or an academic forum, there's no responsibility

So wild, unfounded and unsupported accusations are the order of the day! My own is that you just made up the idea that there was a scandal hoping people here would fall for it.
Sparks11 - | 335
19 Mar 2018 #191
wiadomosci.wp.pl/zakaz-handlu-w-niedziele-a-zona-posla-pis-wojciecha-kossakowskiego-sprzedaje-alkohol-6231511818373249a
is this the story on question?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
19 Mar 2018 #192
Owners can be legally paid for there work and be a hired staff.

Wrong. The law specifically restricts operations to those who work under their own name and who issue receipts in their own name. Effectively, it means only those with a działałność gospodarcza can operate a shop on Sundays if they don't fall under one of the various exceptions. They knew that people would try this, and so the law was framed to ensure that it can't be circumvented in that way.

Sparks - yeah, that's the one.
kaprys 3 | 2,369
19 Mar 2018 #193
@mafketis
If he had a link to support his claim, he would have posted it straightaway.
I really googled it and got no results.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Mar 2018 #194
Wrong. The law specifically restricts operations to those who work under their own name and who issue receipts in their own name

Exactly. All loopholes have been looked at very carefully. The wife of the PiS posel was breaking the law.

I really googled it and got no results.

I found references to it in under a second. Perhaps you should up your game online.
kaprys 3 | 2,369
20 Mar 2018 #195
Why don't you post them here then, please?
You usually don't have a problem with it.
I'm tired with this discussion. So ... if post anything supporting your claim, I will definitely read it and comment on it. If you don't do it, it will be clear you're making things up again.

Honestly, it's pretty clear to me and everyone else already.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2018 #196
I found references to it in under a second.

Post the references here or you're just blowing smoke out your @ss (yet again, you got a forest fire going on in there or what?)
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2018 #197
Post the references here

It isn't a debating society, and you're asking for something that is off topic. Stop stirring things.

Perhaps you should go and do some Sunday shopping instead, providing you can find somewhere that's legally open.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2018 #198
Stop stirring things.

Like the gigantic fire in your posterior?

Wasn't there a scandal about that organisation?

Answer: No, no there was not. Pending new evidence..... Case closed! (so that a special international firefighting team can be assembled to try to stop the smoke billowing out of the back of your pants).
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2018 #199
Case closed!

There isn't a case to close, except in your mind.

Anyway, the thread's about the current fiasco around Sunday shopping. One unintended beneficiary is going to be shops across the border in Czech; people in border areas will just drive over as they used to when currency exchange rates and lower alcohol tax made it favourable to do so.

Another beneficiary will be online food retailers; there are several already.

Those who lose most will be families where retail work, especially Sunday overtime, is financially important to them.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,075
20 Mar 2018 #200
One unintended beneficiary is going to be shops across the border in Czech

Why not shops across the border in Germany, too?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2018 #201
They're mostly closed? I remember arriving in Berlin once on Sunday afternoon and being surprised/disappointed that most stores were closed, though I did find a kind of supermarket open not far from Zoo station.
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2018 #202
Why not shops across the border in Germany, too?

Yes, Maf is right; Germany is quite old-fashioned on Sunday shopping; it's allowed with certain conditions only.

I remember arriving in Berlin once on Sunday afternoon and being surprised/disappointed that most stores were closed

I had the same about currency exchange once. Everywhere was closed, even the exchange booths in large hotels in the area we were visiting.

As for the supermarkets in Berlin stations, these are open (as are small/medium sized shops), and sometimes the station ones are the best. I noticed a little while ago that they've started locking spirits up in glass cabinets. A nuisance since you've got to find someone to unlock them. I always come back from Berlin loaded up with German liqueurs and wine so this means it adds time to the shopping at the station. Travellers to Warsaw should remember to allow a bit longer to do this.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
20 Mar 2018 #203
As for the supermarkets in Berlin stations, these are open

This wasn't in the station across the street and a couple of minutes by foot a little farther (kind of under railroad tracks or a road IIRC) kind of grimy and loud but open, so hooray.
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Mar 2018 #204
Zoo is/used to be an odd station (due in part to its post-war history, legally belonging to East Germany but physically in the West, hence). Friedrichstrasse, Alexanderplatz and Hauptbahnhof all have decent-ish supermarkets.

I wonder if this would be possible in Poland; there's a supermarket in the underpass at Dworzec Centralny (every bit as grimy and noisy as the Berlin ones) that could make a lot of money on Sundays if they are exempt from the ban.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Mar 2018 #205
Zoo is/used to be an odd station (due in part to its post-war history, legally belonging to East Germany but physically in the West, hence).

It's still odd, though nowhere near as grim as it used to be. One interesting curiosity about the station was that because it was run by the East German Deutsches Reichbahn (they didn't change the name because it was mentioned in some treaties - and if they changed it, the Western Allies might have refused to recognise their right to operate in West Berlin) - the West German Bundesbahn had to sell tickets in an office nearby.

Germany really does take station shopping to extremes though - Berlin Hauptbahnhof is easily the size of a shopping centre, and stations like Alexanderplatz and Fredrichstrasse are rammed full of shops as well.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
21 Mar 2018 #206
It will be interesting on Sunday to see how crowded the shopping centres are, with families playing catchup on purchases, before Easter too. Crazy times - 3 more learners today were saying that it's a good thing closing on a Sunday; really baffling (scratches head).
jon357 63 | 15,214
21 Mar 2018 #207
It will be interesting on Sunday to see how crowded the shopping centres are

Jammed full of people probably. I suspect Saturday evenings will be quite busy from now on too.

P.S. I can't send you a PM, it said your inbox is full. Perhaps as full as Arkadia Mall next Sunday.
OP Atch 17 | 3,224
22 Mar 2018 #208
I was in Biedronka on Friday of last week and their till receipts bore the legend "Jesteśmy gotowi!" with information that all stores will open for at least one hour extra on Fridays and Saturdays, all checkouts will be open on those days and they've taken on 5,000 extra staff, I presume to facilitate the opening of checkouts.
kaprys 3 | 2,369
22 Mar 2018 #209
Of course, the shops will be crowded - two days without shopping! It's always like that.
The same applies to Tuesday after Easter.

I remember the day before All Saints Day last year. Some of the shelves at my local biedronka were literally empty - just one day off ....
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
22 Mar 2018 #210
Fridays and Saturdays

Yes, the best time to go shopping, other than right now, in ten minutes, is at 9.30 in the evening on a Saturday. Completely deserted,like something out of the Walking Dead - with only 2 zombies, on the tills.

People obviously prefer being herded like cattle.


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