Germany After the EU and the Russian Scenario - future of the European Union and Poland

As per usual, Crow, you took my American colloquialism at face value. It's only an expression:-)

Did she send her Stukas and paratroopers again, that naughty woman? :)



Oh no, it's 1939 all over again. The sky is falling. LOL!

Germany is listed as one of the top 25 most reputable countries, and its military is so weak (on purpose, by the way) that they couldn't even invade Vatican City. You need to chill, folks.

Indeed!

Poland`s strategic position is impossible when defend on two fronts- western and eastern but, if we presume that Poland have secured her eastern borders, western side can be defended. Not only defended but actually pushed forward, if you understand me. Plus, if Russians support Poland instead to stab it in the back, things change dramatically.

I was talking about creating this strategic situation. And what modern Poland doing? Making mistake.

Worse, the toxic loan shark scheme known as the Euro (most destructive force in the EU today) There is no way for the Euro to work in such different economies as Germany and Greece and anyone who ever thought it could work is a moron who should be excluded from making economic policy.


Germany is culturally destructive, Germans don't seem happy unless they're antagonizing everyone around to death and trying to bully them.

Maf, the latter is merely an outmoded stereotype, come on, I'm surprised at you falling for that one:-) Putin's nearly as much of a bully as both Hitler and Stalin combined. Merkel's a bleedin' piker next to Czar Vladimir. But oh yeah, Russia was an ally after the War who liberated Buchenwald along with Berlin, so they're not so bad, right?

lol

It's not falling for something but observing something. Name three things Germany has done to improve relations between countries of the EU since 2000.

Appointing Martin Schulz to spearhead the deeply fractured SPD. That's for starters. For closers, will have to wait and see after Fall '18, save for the post-election blues if the wrong team should win:-) Or as the Germans often like to say: "Mal abwarten und Teechen trinken!"

Fall '17! By Fall '18, people will have doubtless already recovered from what hit 'emLOL
Typo:-)

Oh yes, a petty tyrant who wants to bully oher countries about policy. A triumph!

The problem is that for all the nice rhetoric about European solidarity Germany has done everything it can to gain the maximum benefit and ensure that other countries get the maximum burden of the EU.

Maf, the EU's a mixed bag, any intelligent person can see that, we both agree, I think! You asked me though to name you a single thing Germany's done to make peace, so to speak, with the EU. Schulz isn't perfect, heaven knows neither is Merkel. Yet, ever since the Greece debacle several years ago, Germany has once again been made to appear as the bogeyman of Europe, the perennial whipping boy for all of Europe's ills, from the "sick man of Europe" to cancer of the continent.

It's really enough already! I must reiterate, although they seem diplomatically close, Putin is far scarier and much more of a bully than either Schulz or Merkel ever were!

Who's list? Not mine. It is so dope to come up with some lists. What are you a DJ? Dude that is dumb.


Well. Germany since their beginning in 1871 developed a new kind of invasion or/and aggression that doesn't require military might. If you don't know what I'm talking about - don't ask.

There's no "several years ago" about it. They've lost 30% of their GDP with no hope of ever getting it back (since they don't control their own currency).

Here's a hint: austerity does not cure sick economies, it makes them worse so that the government is forced to sell assets to foreign creditors. Germany has made out like bandits by sucking up Greek assets while lecturing them about their spendthift ways.

The Euro is not a currency (since it there's no common fiscal policy or transfers) it's a license for Germany to loot the south.

Whilst we persist in "carpetbagging" Germany into some kind of latter-day pillager and plunderer of old, let us not neglect a hidden degree of jealousy afoot here! Germany remains the economic engine of Europe and it was this dynamo upon which much of the world continues to depend for high-quality workmanship, that is, that which hasn't yet been outsourced to cheaper-wage countries:-)

@Ironside, I'm not enamored with much of Poland's history. On the other hand, I don't about denegrating many of her noteworthy accomplishments either.

Poles are envious of Germany's economic achievments as well as her engineering, let's face it!

And it was economic ignorance and policial hubris that made anyone think that a manufacturing giant could share a currency (with no transfers) with service economies in the south (and made it impossible to leave).


One of the reasons that Poland is doing well now is that it's become part of the Germany supply chain.

Ahhem, posters at large. Certain above quotes attributed to me, were in fact NOT posted by me:-)

@Maf, no doubt that Germany's helped enrich Poland in more ways than one.

Eh? Facts are facts. No doubt that Germans are and were very industries people - no doubt about it. I don't blame them for trying to suite or create for themselves certain opportunities. One need to remember that initial boost for the modern German state was given by the(1872) (French contribution, Marshall Plan) creation of the one single state for all different tribes and countries and cultures of Germanic origin.


Not all sweet pie. Poland national interest and German national interest are not compatible.

Meaning that Poland's economic interests have been subsumed by Germany's, is that it? You're clearly right, no disagreement about that!
Perhaps we all wish it weren't so, but Germans have shown themselves to be preturnaturally resilient, climbing out from under the rubble of '45 and essentially rebuilding their country by their own grit and determination, Marshall Plan dollars notwithstanding:-)

Well Poland had been destroyed to a much greater degree than Germany. Had to rebuild herself while paying contributions to the soviet union and while under their totalitarian boot. No Marshal Plan.

The difference is that Germany had regained their economical freedom right after the war and had their elites to rely on. While elites in Poland either had been killed, forced to exile or marginalized and discriminated against.

By the way Lzyko - I'm dyslectic so don't so blood harsh on me, I'm aware of the spelling errors.

Not only spelling errors, my friend! Germany had her ass bombed so bad, it was still being rebuilt up until the mid-60's:-))
Has Poland anything to quite compare with the firebombing of Dresden??! Only in the new millennium was her once famous cathedral even refurbished. Much of her Old Town has been lost forever!!

I sense more than a little self pity in your condescension.

Destruction of Warsaw for example. Lost more than half of her pre-war territory. Here - you claim to speak Polish:
sending you links (pm)


Nah, I don't expect much from you spoiled brats. As usual I wasn't disappointed.

You should investigate what a Firestorm is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm

Its consumes everything , 100% of flammable material, with its own wind system.

Well, you should investigate about destruction of Warsaw. You clearly have only a vague idea.

Yes, they were terrible, but there is no way on earth I'm going to feel nearly as much sympathy for civilian casualties OF THE COUNTRY THAT CAUSED THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! with those of civilian victims of the country that bore the brunt of German aggression.

I can feel some sympathy ffor them but it's an issue the cool headed would be advised to not push.

Only a german would give a toss everyone else calls it justice. Karma is really a bummer.

Translation, please Marsupial?

@danke, weg04:-)

Ironside, for your information, Warsaw was one of my urban invasions undertaken by both the Nazis as well as the Allies during the War. Dresden's bombing was revenge, pure and simple!! I agree with weg04, look up firebombing; it ain't pretty.

It wasn't a firestorm and it wasn't 100% destruction, it couldn't be.

Translation: only a german would care what happened in those cities. To civilized people most of whom were suffering in one way or another due to nazis it was justice. The f...ers deserved it.

I wouldn't quite that far.But Germans need to keep talk about German suffering during or directly after WWII to a bare minimum for pretty obvious reasons.

I'm able to sympathize with civilian casualties anywhere, but proportion has to be maintained, so German hunger after WWII has to get in line behind the victims of starvation in the Siege of Leningrad and Dresden comes behind Warsaw.

Not quite so simple, Marsupial!

As usual, your type enjoys simplifying more complex issues of morality, justice, and ethics. While not German by birth, I view the destruction of Dresden along with numerous other once proud German treasures as an indication of the difficulties posed by recent German history! The Allies were damned if they didn't and damned if they did. Had the British and the Americans not bombed the cities in question, posterity would have recorded the turning a blind eye to the monstrousness of the Holocaust (among many other monstrous acts committed by the Germans/Nazis). That they did in fact bomb those cities was seen as just punishment for Hitler's nearly unstoppable evil and those misguided minions who lent their wholehearted support to his cause.

Regarding the future of Germany as well as the EU, the former has shown herself a worthy ally of the West. She cannot be expected to eternally stand in the shadows of her past. She has more than paid her debt to civilization. Chancellor Merkel is well aware of this!