'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland

Begs the question whose "captive" Germany then truly is...

Well germany joined nato, no one forced them.

NATO isn't the problem...

Merged:

Fort Trump and American military bases in Poland. What's your opinion about it?

theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/18/fort-trump-us-military-base-poland-russia

My opinion is that Poland seems to be the only appreciative E.U. country that is actually paying their way and offering to make some concessions for the United States Military protection against Russia's aggressions.

The rest of the E.U. has been on a free ride from the U.S. thinking it is the U.S. responsibility and expense to protect them ever since 1945 for some reason.

Trump has said the buck stops here, time to pony up and start taking care of yourselves militarily.
Poland is just being proactive with their offer of building an American Military base in Poland to do what they can to help the U.S. continue to give them this military protection.

It is mostly the expats living in Poland who have never served, sacrificed or given back to their home country or Poland to enjoy the freedoms that America has given them by sacrificing their lives and paying huge taxes for their freedom that they enjoy daily that are doing the howling.

If he really meant it he would cut the US military budget and start withdrawing from Europe as a warning that he means it. Instead, he asked for and got even more money to add to the already bloated DoD.

That base in Poland is crazier than a monkey on drugs. It sends a bad message to Russia that NATO is a monstrosity that, like any western bureaucracy, has no intention to ever quit growing.

An equally bad message to Germany is that before the Russian tanks and artillery reaches them, they would have to roll over the Americans in Poland. That means a nuclear war in which case what Germany spends on defense means squat, so why bother.

And The UK.......

That's the reality check. If the US and Poland will also make Germany a target for a possible Russian aggression the whole picture in Europe changes. Germany won't be able to play both sides. Germany should stop doing shadowy deals with Putin and start being more reliable as a NATO member.

It was exactly the same with INF treaty regarding intermediate-range nuclear rockets. Poland is already in range of Russian [short-range] rockets due to close proximity of Kaliningrad. Russian rockets could reach most targets in Poland.

Obviously, Russians had intermediate-range rockets up and ready and they could also launch them from their ships (which wasn't specifically banned by the INF treaty) but it wasn't official.

And now it is official. With INF possibly revoked the whole Europe is in range and needs to deal with a Russian threat. No more pretending that the threat isn't real.

There is hardly any country that could be deemed as more reliable within Nato than Germany.

Fort Trump will not have any impact on this.

But Germany does not meet the NATO spending requirements.....that's what is annoying The Yanks.

It still fullfills all NATO obligations. Germany is the 2nd largest contributor for NATO missions and plays now a leading role in bolstering the defence in Eastern Europe.

Which is why there are not many countries who can claim to be more reliable.

It's not "The Yanks"...it's Trump!

Once he is gone, that whole dreary topic will be gone again too..

Wrong B.B.
I as one Yank would sure like my tax money spent defending my own countries borders instead of paying to defend some dead weight country that is not paying their fair share that doesn't even like us.

What have you ever given me ?

My undivided attention? :)

It's always difficult to answer (and speak) for a whole country...

The V2 and Wernher von Braun?

Instead of wishful thinking you better prepare for a second 4-year term :-)

Bingo!

Why should my hard earned tax dollars go to pay for the defense of the Krauts?

We should keep that money in the USA for better usage, instead of throwing it away on ppl that dont appreciate us.


Or spend it on infracture, anything is better than giving it away to Germany.


Wow, you are way off! Please, stop speaking for us.

That's why I named Trump and not "The Yanks"....duh!


I didn't know the US is giving Germany any money...

All the money that Germany doesn't have to spend on its military thanks to the US protection is a direct benefit for Germany's budget and the national economy

Paying for freeloading Germany is essentially like throwing away our money. Im glad Trump got you tightwads to belly up to the table and pay your fair share, just like Poland and the UK does. What was Germanys sad excuse again?


Ya, and its backwards


It is the YANKS! Millions of us were sick and tired of Germany taking advantage of NATO! Trump was finally the first President with enough balls to say what we have been thinking for many years. duh

Again, Please don't speak for us, you do not know what your are talking about.

The bottom line to me is that protecting others should be profitable for the "world cop" like the US. Yet, we are stupid to do it for free. And when the subject is raised here, I get this bs that the US protecting Europe is for our benefit, so what's the beef.

Considering our desire to be the world's dumbest cop, I am willing to bet that the US still pays both South Korea and Germany for allowing us to have our bases there.

thesun.co.uk/news/6745786/nato-contributions-country-who-pay-most-least-2-percent-gdp-target-trump/

Oh boy...how many refugees we could feed with 45,472 Mio Dollar....


I doubt that....that started all with Trump...and it will be gone with him!

No, I am talking about money out of his pocket as I sacrificed out of mine for him and for what.


That shows your ignorance in taking the U.S. for granted.


Exactly why Trump didn't shake hands with your two timing loser of a leader.
ENOUGH ALREADY !

Well...do you have a number about how many money the US gives Germany?

That will be long 7 years...but they will be over one nice day too...I'm so glad the US has a term limit!

NATO should be fully paid for by Europe alone. It was created to protect Europe and still exists to protect Europe today. Europe will never protect the US in the US. Period.

Nah...that won't be NATO anymore...that will be the European Defense Force! :)

If there will be coming something good out of Trumps reign for Europe it will be the realization that Europe needs to take care of itself...I'm sure here Trumpists and european nationalists can agree...

Germany might even open it's purse some more for that.

I wonder where that will leave Poland though...

Hell no they won't and we know it.
They have been nothing but a bunch of milk soppers on easy street.


If it will be so nice then tell Mama Merkel to end it today.
It sure would be a blessing to the Yanks pocketbooks and disgust.

Trump's rule? I think that has to run it's course...

How much of our defense budget is spent exclusively for NATO? Are you sure it's 2% of our GDP? Many American bases in Europe aren't 100% NATO, but to project worldwide power. You'll have a point once the US stops to waste money playing the worldwide cop and once the agreed deadline for spending 2% is reached. That would be in 2025 and not earlier. If Trump thinks NATO is a waste of money, let's leave.

Great idea and I will buy your Commie ass a one way ticket to Germany the land you love so much.
You don't belong here.