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Should Poland exit the EU immediately?


jeden - | 226
15 Sep 2015 #92
Now European Union existing is very polish interest. No becouse of money. Becouse of Germany. Look at them. Germany is too small to rule in UE. But too strong to be a normal country in Europe. They always wanted to dominate continent. Holy Roman Empire. II Reich. III Reich. They badly lost all attempt to conquer continent. But now EU is keeping Germany in her borders. But the german economy is growing and to strong for her position in the World. So EU is polish warranty that geramny stay in borders. 1/4 of POlish territory was 80 years ago german.

Important is also that German need EU also. 40% of his GDP is from export. They export mainly to the country of EU. If the EU fall apart germany would be in big trouble. Coz will appear duty. It will be high unemplyment, etc. like in 1920 - 30. Angela knows that and It is clear that Germany need a peace. For ecxample the ukrainian issue. USA wanted esskalated conflict. Germany tried to calm it down.

So. Poland now needs EU. But in near future. We can handle with our neighbers.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Sep 2015 #93
What an insane idea to leave the eu because of some migrants. With ideas this bad no wonder poland falls in a hole often. Sounds like an idea coined by putin.

not about migrants...all becouse EU is run by mentally unstable people,who are threat to our nation.what Merkel did was crazy.she show us ,that one decision by some EU leader can be potentially devastating consequences for people lives.and we cant even protest. ask hungarians or greeks...we need to get out ,now
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
15 Sep 2015 #94
all becouse EU is run by mentally unstable people

What are you on about? If they were mentally unstable, Poland would be in a far worse situation than now.

who are threat to our nation.

The biggest threat to Poland is the Polish people.

what Merkel did was crazy.she show us ,that one decision by some EU leader can be potentially devastating consequences for people lives.and we cant even protest.

She screwed up. It's getting fixed, and Poland did protest loudly.

ask hungarians or greeks...we need to get out ,now

Hungarians are another lot that would be screwed without the EU. Likewise, the Greeks.
Avalon 4 | 1,068
15 Sep 2015 #95
Rational observers know that the only protection Poland has is from the EU, even if it's not perfect.

Delph, WTF are you trying to pull here? We have NATO, that is the agreement, you attack one, you attack all. The EU is not a country, it has no physical power. It tries to use trade as a weapon. We can see how well that has worked with Russia.

You cannot interfere with sovereign countries, that is the whole problem with the EU. They either own you or the destroy you. Some choice.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
16 Sep 2015 #96
We have NATO, that is the agreement, you attack one, you attack all.

In theory.

The EU is not a country, it has no physical power.

But that is entirely the strength of the EU. If Russia came into Poland, Germany would react simply because the Polish market is too important to be allowed to fall under Russian influence.

It tries to use trade as a weapon. We can see how well that has worked with Russia.

It has worked very well - have you been to Russia recently? They are struggling with the sanctions and Saudi/American games with the price of oil. What hasn't worked is getting rid of Putin, but Russia is definitely feeling the pain. If they weren't, they would've annexed Donetsk by now.

You cannot interfere with sovereign countries, that is the whole problem with the EU. They either own you or the destroy you. Some choice.

I think it's worth remembering that Poland also has significant influence over many EU countries.
whocares
16 Sep 2015 #97
"Do you understand English? What makes you think I dislike Poland?"

I was quoting Inpolska not you (post 64). My reply was to him/her. I never accused you of anything.
Avalon 4 | 1,068
16 Sep 2015 #98
I was quoting Inpolska not you (post 64). My reply was to him/her. I never accused you of anything.

Then you should not have addressed it to me.
ssss
16 Sep 2015 #99
Haha ha EU is a joke
these countries who doesn't accept refugees get sanctions from germany and these is about the EU countries :D
btw i'm not polish
G (undercover)
16 Sep 2015 #100
There won't be any sanctions.
PoorPaul
16 Sep 2015 #101
Sorry mate you just need to look at the other side of your border to realize anyone who pull a middle finger after receiving cash from the devil... will find half their population displaced and the other half dead in the trenches. Your already owned. Sorry man, jut enjoy the ride take the money and say yes to your new master or else.....
Marsupial - | 886
16 Sep 2015 #102
Oh you mean cash when they built a road instead of wrecking and running down everything? Go home.
Crow 139 | 8,609
16 Sep 2015 #103
maybe EU collapse before Poland even go out.

As a Serbian i would be happy that EU collapse these days. If EU survive this lunacy and we Serbs became part of EU and EU then collapses, many would blame Serbs for that.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
16 Sep 2015 #104
Rational observers know that the only protection Poland has is from the EU, even if it's not perfect.

What protection? Few screaming old men in suits? Putin would kill them with his laughter.

The biggest threat to Poland is the Polish people.

Give Poland to Pakistani is that idea?
Crow 139 | 8,609
16 Sep 2015 #105
What protection?

marvelous question.

But well, what about protection from logic and reason?

Few screaming old men in suits? Putin would kill them with his laughter.

good point actually. Even yesterday, main EU fear was Russia. Now seams that EU sunk in situation that only Russia can save EU.
Buggsy 8 | 98
16 Sep 2015 #106
Ironside I did respond to your views because these were not arguments but your opinion based on your pro-EU propaganda, facts begs to differ and that is that!

I think you having a bit of a laugh. Quoting parts of sentences that you misinterpret and summing it up as pro EU propaganda...

Ironside Nope, those funds where spend mostly in costly building spree and at the same time indebted the country more as for each of those aqua parks local council took loans to meet 50% funding requirement. The way those funds works seems to work as a trap for unwary.

If you live in Poland, tell me exactly where you live, then I can direct you to someone you can speak to
in your local government about EU funding and how fundamental it is to almost every town or city.
You started this topic and maybe or maybe not you have a different agenda and also quite indefferent to the reality of life in Poland.

Poland and other A8 countries, as it stands right now, can not afford to leave the E.U.
The risks far outweigh the benefits.
Crow 139 | 8,609
16 Sep 2015 #107
Poland to announce that started preparations to abandon EU in order to form Intermarium. These two intentions are connected. EU and Intermarium exclude each other.

Let us help to Poland (at least with positive messages) in these difficult times so that Poland choose well and use all Her wisdom and show Her real strength. Let us stand to Poland, Capital center of our civilization.

ROZKWITA£Y PĄKI BIA£YCH RÓŻ

Velika je Poljska!

Regards from Serbia
nothanks - | 640
16 Sep 2015 #108
So Hungary is under attack and EU does nothing?
Crow 139 | 8,609
16 Sep 2015 #109
What Hungary? What EU?
nothanks - | 640
17 Sep 2015 #110
"Polish PM joins Merkel in welcoming migrants"

> It marks Poland's split from other Visegrad states - the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Slovakia - who had banded together against the Commission.

> "She told MPs at a parliament debate on Wednesday (16 September): "Poland has a chance to set an example in Europe"."

euobserver.com/justice/130305

Another useless puppet. Retracted her statements from just a few days ago. As usual, the Polish Western puppet rears it's head. Best of luck angering all our neighbors to "set an example" to......more migrants?
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
17 Sep 2015 #111
Polish PM joins Merkel in welcoming migrants"

Has somebody expected anything else? After all Tusk wants to stay for another 2,5 years as a doorman of Europe.

All Europe can meet Donald Tusk, he is always a father of success but it is us who has to pay aliments, and now it is all Europe will have to pay.

Did you notice that that irresponsible loon Merkel is in hiding since she issued an invitations to the Islamists!
Marsupial - | 886
17 Sep 2015 #112
There's no use saying puppet because the relationship and commerce has never been better between poland and germany. An immigration crisis will be an interesting bump on the eu butt. Both countries are important to each other now. Let the haters hate while europe unites.
nothanks - | 640
17 Sep 2015 #113
Are you aware borders and fences are being put up? Schengen is dead. EU is next.

Congrats Merkel!
White Europe - | 21
17 Sep 2015 #114
Do you know if Schengen is dead at the Polish/Slovakia border?
jon357 63 | 15,214
17 Sep 2015 #115
There's no use saying puppet because the relationship and commerce has never been better between Poland and germany.....Both countries are important to each other now. Let the haters hate while europe unites.

Spot on the countries are ever closer and 100% positive - the links are growing all the time. Trade is strong.

There are some people who are naive and stupid enough to say things like "Schengen is dead", when a couple of the borders are exercising special precautions that are provided for under the Schengen Agreement.
nothanks - | 640
17 Sep 2015 #116
So you expect the migrants to stop eventually invading? Allowing fences to come down and freedom to return to Europe?

Great news!
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
17 Sep 2015 #117
The risks far outweigh the benefits.

I'm sure there are people for whom Poland plus EU money are advantageous and they make a killing. I'm talking about Poland society and economy as whole.

There's no use saying puppet

Sure, Do you know how Austria deals with illegal immigrants.
Harry
17 Sep 2015 #118
So you expect the migrants to stop eventually invading?

Yes, they will. The trick is to not stop them from coming but to make them want to not come; however, doing that requires some hard policies to be implemented, such as, for example: mandatory minimum jail sentences for anybody who employs an illegal worker; mandatory and unappealable of any asylum seeker convicted of any crime, right down to jaywalking; provision of accommodation, health care, etc only at specified locations; speedy and automatic deportations of asylum seeker whose applications are rejected (they can appeal while outside their target country of residence); and so on.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Sep 2015 #119
Do you know if Schengen is dead at the Polish/Slovakia border?

Schengen is anything but dead. Polish borders with Germany, Lithuania, Slovakia and the Czech Republic are completely open without anything other than the usual random controls. Even Austria isn't controlling every border, but only the main transit routes.

More to the point, even the temporarily suspended Schengen borders are conducting mostly visual checks rather than document checks.
jon357 63 | 15,214
17 Sep 2015 #120
Do you know if Schengen is dead at the Polish/Slovakia border?

Schengen does not only refer to border controls - in fact there are from time to time checks at the borders within the Schengen zone if there is an issue. The Schengen Treaty covers a lot of areas including visas, customs and excise and much besides...


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