Should Poland exit the EU immediately?

Oh, johnny, just when I think your lack of knowledge cannot astound me any further you always give us yet another gem!

i absolutely agree with your position here.


Considering historical reasons and development in what is now Ukraine, Lwow would be in Poland again. Rightfully. International community made mistake and slightly recognized Ukraine in its borders created by communists. Now is needed international conference dedicated to Ukraine, where several peoples must be asked in case with real borders of that state: 1. Ukrainian people, 2. Ruthenian people, 3. Russian people, 4. Polish people, 5. Serbian people. All these peoples played role in history of what is now Ukraine and had their historical provinces/states there. Also, all these peoples are Slavs and we here speak about internal issue of Slavic world.


that is also great truth.

Most probable scenario is that would USA tried to act on the behalf of all Anglo interests and offer deal to Russia, behind back of Poles. But, in this historical moment, Russia shows all signals that wouldn`t accept any deal behind back of Poles.


how nonsensical sentence

what if poland comes to dictatorship would eu kick out poland?

no. EU is itself dictatorship. Once you are there they would do anything to keep you assimilating and draining your life.

They should assert sovereignty at every opportunity, in an attempt to reduce the EU to nothing more than a defense alliance and customs-free zone. That's all the EU will ever be good for. No common currency (just a banker scheme to fleece the governments and people at every deflationary downturn) or regulations, no unelected Brussels bureaucrats, no garbage trade treaties like the TTIP.

Get out of NATO and have a new European defense alliance, so Europe can stop getting roped into American/British wars and dirty tricks. Russia doesn't want war, they just want to stop getting harassed and isolated by NATO (i.e. US/UK/France)

Wise words

i hope that would Polish diaspora support Poles at home, in Poland, in intention of Poland to regain its independence, secede from EU, go out of NATO and declare formation of Intermarium.

i shall pray for internal unity of Poles

I was thinking the same with you.
You would be speaking German today if it wasn't for the American troops.
Poland can not afford to exit the EU even if it wanted to.


They will not be allowed to take just the cream of the EU without giving something back.

If Poland wanted to EXIT the EU, it would have to pay back to the EU all the grants/monies given to Poland in the last few years. I am not sure how many years the EU would go back. Grants etc are always subject to conditions.

EU was trap, among else, to take Silesia from Poland. i predicting escalation on this subject, too.

You don't live here, have never been here, and never will.
Now you are claiming to be an authority on understanding Polish attitudes.


Poland doesn't want to leave the EU. It's not even debatable. EU membership is hugely popular in Poland.

Really or is it that YOU are claiming that I am an authority with your trolling. lol
Poland has the best of two worlds belonging to the EU and NATO.
They know what side their bread is buttered on.
They ain't goin' nowhere anytime soon.

But not the Brussels diktat. Poles want the EU to be a confederation of sovereign national states voluntarily affiliated to pursue mutually agreed objectives without bullying or coercion against those who disagree. That includes voluntary not coercive acceptance of the euro. The UK feel the same way. Except for the Michnikites and their anti-patriotic one-worldly ilk no-one wants a United States of Europe in which countries would have even fewer rights than the American states do.

It would demand international conference. Speaking in economical terms, western Europe greatly profited from EU. Then, EU followed NATO in policing the world. Many countries already and would demand compensation. We all know how NATO and EU functioned, by dictate of USA, Britain, France and Germany. NATO is even tool of just those four countries. So, Poland may ask that those countries pay all compensations to third countries, including to Poland for all Polish loses in non-Polish wars and also, Poland may ask for non-material compensations (moral damage to Poland, fear of population for involvement in wars, etc).

All in all, Poland don`t owe any money to anyone.

i am sure that would Poland profit from going out of EU and NATO. In any sense. Sure, there would a price to be paid but, freedom never goes without price.

Only Serbia demand from NATO countries compensations that estimates more then 100 billion USA dollars, as compensation for damage of infrastructure, nature, loss of population and economy, because of illegal attack back in 1999.

Isn't that the way it has always worked Crow........NATO blows a country up and then goes back and rebuilds it for them.

just, Serbians decided to pay the price and they want their independence, they themselves rebuilding their countries declaring military neutrality on global military alliances, while opening itself from investments from any country in the world on equal ground. Serbs looks for EU merely as for customs-free zone and free flow of people. At the same time Serbs sued NATO countries for compensations in damage back in 1999. Interest rate on all demands for compensation are already enormous. Interest rate plus principal debt as a whole is astronomical level of money.

Western Europe and USA would learn that they don`t rule this world and that still there are global rules.

Oddly enough, for once Polly seems right (A festivus miracle?!?) The overwhelming opinion I get on the EU from Polish people of different generations and class is a generally positive attitude for the good it has done Poland but a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the neverending increasing integration that is priority number one in Brussels.

Merkel's Folly in inviting tens of millions of third world malcontents is definitely the first chink in the EU armor (and helped in eroding public confidence in PO).

The bad thing, "federalists" and Gerries are so obsessed with it that I'm afraid war might be needed to stop it...

I've only heard the positive stuff, but the change here since EU entry is palpable - it's made a real difference for the better.

Only proves your limited exposure to real Poles. Apparently you circulate in some circle of expats and/or hobnob with a fringe group of like-minded one-worlders WHO DO NOT REPRESENT THE FEELINGS OF THE TYPICAL POLE!

Nope. I simply don't mix with expats at all.

I've only heard positive things about EU membership from Poles - except for one slightly guy who's a fairly prominent Libertarian and even he admits the good things that membership has brought!

Overall, yes, but I've heard at least as much anti-Euro rhetoric as pro-Euro. The continuing misery of Spain and Greece (made worse by the Euro) is not lost on many people.

it was after Merkel announced her unilateral insane plan to make German (and the rest of the EU) an open destination for anyone who could pay traffickers and say the word "asylum" that I began to hear the first real open criticism of the idea. It's still overall probably but as they say every rose has its thorn and Germany making unilateral decisions that it expects other countries to meekly follow along with is a real big thorn for most Polish people.

Hmm, can you post a link or something to support your opinion? After all Poland like all countries pay in to the EU as well. Not to mention lost revenues in taxes.

I don't think any such a rule exist.


Whoa !! just slow down or you get accused of living on the Mars and having no real knowledge about Poland and Polish afdfirer by t he usual suspects.


lies


No, numbers are not growing.

Poland can't go on it's own. Poles are showing that they can't govern themselves. They need the EU to keep a check on the fascist elements in the political class. Poland is showing that when it comes to governance they are adolescents.

The fascist elements in the EU oppose Poland's democratically elected President and parliament. The strongest opposition comes from the historically most aggressive fascist country in Europe. The Poles can govern themselves just fine if the foreigners stay out. The question is, can the Poles keep the foreigners from interfering in Poland's internal political affairs? That is all.

When you win an election you can't throw all the opposition out. That's not governing. Even Lech Walesa said as much and he's no liberal.

The voters elected whom they elected, and threw out whom they did not elect. It isn't complicated. This was a democratic election.


Pan Wałęsa said what he said, and that doesn't change the election results either. In a democracy, elections have consequences. That also means the losers are unhappy.

The critics can love Poland, or leave Poland.

no. Events rather suggests that west of Europe giving its best to preserve its control over Poland, while Poland struggling to escape assimilation.

Or they can change Poland, as we're doing.


Branding your opponents as "fascist" is straight out of the Russian playbook. Poor attempt.


Clearly not. The strongest opposition comes from successful and patriotic Poles.


If they could, there wouldn't have been demonstrations in over 30 cities last weekend.


Sorry, but Poland has meddled in plenty of other people's affairs in the past, including Ukraine's last year.


President Wałęsa. I see your knowledge of Polish protocol is like your knowledge of Polish history, Polish law and many other things - non-existent. Show some respect, won't you?

From a BBC interview with President Duda on their website today.
"Poles are pleased that we are members of the EU. For many Poles this has a big symbolic meaning."

BBC: Why are PiS Euro-sceptic?
"That's what we are known as to some, but that is simply not the case. It's an attempt to build a false image of us. We are not Euro- sceptic; we are Euro-realist."

Any comments from the PolAm experts?

Indeed. The Polonia don't seem to understand that Poland causing trouble with the EU doesn't mean that Poland is anti-EU. PiS have their specific view of what the EU means, but they've never seriously suggested leaving.


Nice attempt, Duda ;)