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Should Poland exit the EU immediately?


G (undercover)
18 Dec 2015 #301
For 2015 it was 1,750zl

Gross.

Pathetic Insane Sect

Why do you have to constantly use the hate speech ?
Harry
18 Dec 2015 #302
Gross

That's how salaries are stated here in Poland, because the amount somebody is left with will be due to a number of factors. Of course, that gross amount will be lower in 2016, thanks to the stealth taxes of the Pathetic Insane Sect: the TV tax (paid whether you can afford a TV or not), the increased charges for bank accounts, the higher prices at supermarkets, etc, etc.

Why do you have to constantly use the hate speech ?

It isn't hate speech and I don't hate them: I feel sorry for them, many of them are clearly not at all well.
G (undercover)
18 Dec 2015 #303
Of course, that gross amount will be lower in 2016

The income of majority of households will rise rapidly, unlike during the years of previous regime, which treated households as the source of extra income.
jon357 63 | 15,214
18 Dec 2015 #304
Of course, that gross amount will be lower in 2016

Plus of course their inability to deliver on their promises, like last time.
G (undercover)
18 Dec 2015 #305
deliver on their promises

You mean Donald "I will never raise taxes" Tusk ? Or previous regime in general ?
jon357 63 | 15,214
18 Dec 2015 #306
Now do t be disingenuous - you know (or perhaps you don't, having been away from Poland so long) how well the economy improved before (obviously with considerable help from Europe, Poland being the largest net recipient of EU subsidies) and what a mess the current (hopefully temporary) regime are in, subsidies or not.
weeg
18 Dec 2015 #307
The income of majority of households will rise rapidly

How, exactly will that happen? raising taxes? attacking foreign investors who create jobs? rejecting the billions of EU funding?

Please tell me how Poles and Poles will get richer?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
18 Dec 2015 #308
The income of majority of households will rise rapidly, unlike during the years of previous regime, which treated households as the source of extra income.

Pray tell how? They want to chase foreign employers from the country and punish those with the wherewithall to be entrepreneurs, and tighten up the money supply so that everyone will hunker down to keep from losing ground. they seem to be totally uninterested in job creation....are they going to try massive state employment as in the PRL?
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
18 Dec 2015 #309
attacking foreign investors who create jobs?

Could you, Harry, jon and maf stop spamming my thread with your musings? you are off topic!

Crow you are always posting the same unless you have something new to say on the subject of this thread - scud.

G(undercover) do not encourage, they have been talking BS for long as I remember, especially about Poland. Evidently post-communist system attracted wrong kind of investors and investments and wrong kind of immigrants.

It is not their fault, they are what their are.

Reminder topic - Should Poland exist the EU immediately?
pweeg3
18 Dec 2015 #310
My post is entirely on topic. How will leaving the EU benefit Poland economically?

What will replace the EU funding?
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
18 Dec 2015 #311
what do you need the EU funding for?
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Dec 2015 #312
My post is entirely on topic. How will leaving the EU benefit Poland economically?

Exactly. All on topic, all accurate. It seems like some people who abandoned Poland long ago would prefer it to be like the old days before all the billions in infrastructure funding.

what do you need the EU funding for?

Roads, trains, trams, buses, hospitals, schools - and too many other things to put in one post.
Legal Eagle
19 Dec 2015 #313
Evidently post-communist system attracted wrong kind of investors and investments and wrong kind of immigrants.

The E.U. is a neoliberal entity determined to undermine the member states sovereignty. Poland got sucked into it since it never had a Marshall Plan, (which was part of the Western Betrayal). Poland had to play catch-up, and maybe now it has in terms of industry but infrastructure is still lagging somewhat. I couldn't agree with you more about Poland getting the wrong immigrants. Polonia could have provided more than enough immigrants to meet Poland's needs. There was no need to bring in so many bald alcoholics who detest Polish culture.
Harry
19 Dec 2015 #314
The E.U. is a neoliberal entity determined to undermine the member states sovereignty.

Here in Poland the EU is very popular and enjoys widespread support. Perhaps you'll learn that when you finally visit Poland for the first time.

Polonia could have provided more than enough immigrants to meet Poland's needs.

That's very doubtful. One of the defining characteristics of Polonia is that they don't want to live in Poland, that is what makes them Polonia.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
19 Dec 2015 #315
I couldn't agree with you more about Poland getting the wrong immigrants.

Indeed, some red nutters and other deranged fanatics or chancers.
Tictactoe
19 Dec 2015 #316
The EU is has for sure opened up the door to the kind of wrong immigrant, have to agree. Some countries should not have been allowed freedom of movement at all never mind at 7 yrs after joining the federal state.

The UK has imported some terrible individuals, some child killers, others violently beating people up, robbers, benefit fraudsters, the list is endless and still they keep coming, its truly awful.

But one good thing, the UK had a referendum on the horizon, soon, hopefully Poland will too.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
19 Dec 2015 #317
The UK has imported some terrible individuals, some child killers, others violently beating people up, robbers, benefit fraudsters, the list is endless and still they keep coming, its truly awful.

Seems to me that the UK have and always had an abundant quantity of those types although I can see your point, there is no need for even few more if you are full to the brim.

The worst immigrants kind of immigrants are the know it all passive-aggressive miserable c. calling from the country I won't name.

the UK had a referendum on the horizon, soon, hopefully Poland will too.

Aye! Hopefully Uk will opt out of the EU, and hopefully Poland will follow the new trend.
Legal Eagle
19 Dec 2015 #318
The UK has imported some terrible individuals, some child killers, others violently beating people up, robbers, benefit fraudsters, the list is endless and still they keep coming, its truly awful.

The UK has also exported some terrible individuals as well. This is all part of the neo-liberal EU's quest for the cheapest labor in its deregulatory race to the bottom. Any thinking person should have known that open borders would result in the migration of criminals, scofflaws, as well as those fleeing creditors at home. Typically, the EU elitists didn't care about the social chaos they were unleashing, and slowly that has created a backlash. The pigeons are now coming home to roost.

Some countries should not have been allowed freedom of movement at all never mind at 7 yrs after joining the federal state.

The EU is not a federal state, it is better described as a confederation. EU elitists want a federal state to further weaken the member states. It won't become a federal state without a war to impose a continental constitution, which has so far failed to gain acceptance, to permanently change the existing order.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Dec 2015 #319
Here in Poland the EU is very popular and enjoys widespread support.

One of the highest levels of support among member states.

Whatever various Americans with scant connections to Poland and no real understanding of life here think, Poland is not about to leave.
Legal Eagle
19 Dec 2015 #320
Aye! Hopefully Uk will opt out of the EU, and hopefully Poland will follow the new trend.

Should the UK resign from the EU, it would result in millions Poles likely being forced out there, and a backlash in Poland would likely result against the bald, alcoholic, British English teachers.

The worst immigrants kind of immigrants are the know it all passive-aggressive miserable c. calling from the country I won't name.

It is a matter of opinion, but they are the most obnoxious anyhow.
dolnoslask
19 Dec 2015 #321
" backlash in Poland" Sadly this would be very true, If Britain exited the EU and repatriated Poles against their will I would not want to be a Brit in Poland, maybe I will get my wife to study Polish a bit more.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Dec 2015 #322
Please stick to commenting about that because you clearly know absolutely nothing about Europe or Poland except what you find on Wiki or what you hear from other, equally ignorant Americans.

Spot on. Neither of the major parties have suggested for a second that a Brexit would lead to deportations.

And in the even far less likely event of Poland leaving the Union there is equally no chance of deportations.
dolnoslask
19 Dec 2015 #323
"Neither of the major parties have suggested for a second that a Brexit would lead to deportations." thank god for that
Crow 139 | 8,609
19 Dec 2015 #324
considering that events accelerate, it would maybe prove to be wise by Poland to leave EU, altogether with NATO. Bye bye evil and nasty masters
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Dec 2015 #325
Won't happen, Crowie, won't happen. Most people here support being part of both of those.
Legal Eagle
20 Dec 2015 #326
considering that events accelerate, it would maybe prove to be wise by Poland to leave EU, altogether with NATO.

To most Poles, the EU and NATO symbolize that Poland is now part of the West after having been forced to be a Soviet vassal state in the post-war period. At the same time, Poles don't want to be a German vassal state now in the EU, and history has also proved that Western promises meant little to guarantee Polish independence and sovereignty. Poland can't trust Germany now to take a tough line with Putin and the Russians, just like Poland couldn't depend on the British and French in 1939 to mount that offensive in the West that never came. Far more important to Poland is the support of the U.S. and being sheltered under its nuclear umbrella. When President Trump decides to cut a deal with Putin over Ukraine, we will see what is on the table like maybe U.S. troops in Poland in exchange for tearing up the Budapest memorandum and the return of Lwów to Poland.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Dec 2015 #327
Far more important to Poland is the support of the U.S. and being sheltered under its nuclear umbrella.

I can assure you that many Poles know fine well that the United States is not going to protect Poland in the event of war with Russia.

When President Trump decides to cut a deal with Putin over Ukraine, we will see what is on the table like maybe U.S. troops in Poland in exchange for tearing up the Budapest memorandum and the return of Lwów to Poland.

Can we add "Ukrainian history" to the list of topics that you appear to know nothing about?

Any attempt to annex Western Ukraine to Poland would result immediately in a large and capable armed resistance. If you know anything about Ukraine, you know that Western Ukraine is home to incredibly nationalistic Ukrainians that would fight to the last man against any stupid ideas.

By the way, Poland doesn't want Lwów, as witnessed by the fact that no serious political party considers such a thing.
jon357 63 | 15,214
20 Dec 2015 #328
Any attempt to annex Western Ukraine to Poland would result immediately in a large and capable armed resistance.

That's a given. Amazing what an absolutely jaundiced view some people from outside have.

It's true that people in the Ukraine want EU membership, albeit it's a far off dream for them, but there isn't a cat in hell's chance of them being annexed in Poland, and nor does Poland have the wherewithal (or international support) to do it.

I can assure you that many Poles know fine well that the United States is not going to protect Poland in the event of war with Russia.

Quite. Through 4 decades of cold wat they certainly weren't going to do any such thing, at Yalta, their leader sold Poland to the USSR and very few of their citizens could even find it on a map.

One reason the Polish public support the EU so strongly.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Dec 2015 #329
That's a given. Amazing what an absolutely jaundiced view some people from outside have.

It's incredible. If they'd actually set foot in Western Ukraine, they'd know that those people - although lovely people - are also the kind of people that will fight you to the end of their life to defend Ukraine.

Quite. Through 4 decades of cold wat they certainly weren't going to do any such thing, at Yalta, their leader sold Poland to the USSR and very few of their citizens could even find it on a map.

Indeed. Why would they care? I even understand the American attitude - who in America would support going to war over Poland?

One reason the Polish public support the EU so strongly.

Indeed. Poles aren't stupid - they know fine well that if the German economy is so closely linked to the Polish one, then Germany will have no choice but to defend Poland in the event of attack.
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
20 Dec 2015 #330
I even understand the American attitude - who in America would support going to war over Poland?

No you don't dough boy. You don't live here, have never been here or never will be.
Now you are claiming to be an authority on understanding America's attitude.
Have you heard about WW2 by any chance with American troops defending Poland ?

Germany will have no choice but to defend Poland in the event of attack.

No doubt because they are a coalition of NATO.
But without the United States Germany wouldn't be able to defend Poland against Russia.
I rest my case.


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