European News and Poland Thread 3

Since Moscow is in Europe, this thread is the place...

I googled "the worst part of Moscow" and found out that it's Kapotnya, 19 kilometers from the city center to the southeast and pressed against the inside of the MKAD was ranked the worst region.

So I went to this "worst region" on Google Maps. And guess what...not a single homeless, drugged-up bum on a sidewalk. Wide, clean streets, parks, trees,...I could live there.

NYC, on the other hand...Hell, no!!!

I doesn't sound very healthy, but whatever floats your boat, I guess lol:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapotnya_District

"Kapotnya is best known as the site of Moscow oil refinery, one of the few remaining industrial facilities within Moscow proper"

It would be nice if you moved there though... like... ASAP :D

It seems like a great place to raise kids too :):

themoscowtimes.com/2014/02/02/moscows-homeless-under-the-pipes-in-kapotnya-a31631

"One of the most economically depressed districts in the city, Kapotnya is dominated by the immense Moscow Oil Refinery, which fills the air with an inescapable odor of gas. Yevgeny Semyonenko, a doctor who works with Helper and Guardian, says that just breathing the air close to the plant is enough to make many people light-headed. Long-term exposure can result in serious health problems."







Give it a go, Novichok! Go for it! :D

Well, the Irish are fighing back against boat people invading their country. At least some of them..

Should remember what happened to the acient Egypt.

Standing next to a nig*er on a platform in NYC makes many people dead. I will take light-headed over dead every day.

France, I love you...

France to ban girls from wearing abayas in state schools

Ban MuslimSS and I will love you more...

No, you don't. The reason for the ban is simply because schools have to be strictly secular in France. That's why Muslim girls can't wear their scarf either. They were banned some time ago. It also means that Christian students can't wear a cross of course.

somehow they managed to forget about it for like 30 years or more

More that institutions are slow to change.

German ISIS bride, who chained up five-year-old Yazidi slave girl in the sun and let her die of thirst, then held a gun to the head of the child's mother to stop her crying, is jailed for 14 years

Euro justice: The bit*ch murders a child. Gets 14. Out in 5. Sick bit*ch. Sick Germany.
And then those Euro jails... I stayed in motels that are a lot worse...

"No one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens but its lowest ones."

I' ve seen enough documentaries about US prisons and how they breed violence and crime to appreciate how our work.

Sure I be the polish ones are way worse x5 than the germans ones.

That's a fair enough assessment.

Unfortunately ther are always right-wingers baying for blood, people who'd like to see bread and water, ball and chain, for whom normal punishment is never enough and for whom rehabilitation or the long term effect on prisoners' families is an irrelevance.

...for wetting her bed.


And what do you think about this sentence by German court, Tacitus?


Do you think that this ISIS bride can be rehabilitated?

Probably yes.

And if nobody tries, they'll never find out.

@jon357, why do you think she can be rehabilitated? Based on what?

@Paulina
Do you think the lady you mentioned can't?

What sort of sentence would you give?

@jon357


Indeed. It is an understandable, if archaic reflex. Going by that reflex, we should still be slowly torturing criminals to death on the townnsquare, anything else feels insufficient as punishment for some. There is however ample evidence for a correlation between the humanization of our justice system and the decline in crimes so I suppose that has to suffice.

@Paulina


I was indeed happy about the sentence when I heard about it. There was apparantly not enough evidence to convict her directly for murder, since the deed itself was mostly done by her husband. If she had been charged as an accomplice, she would have received less jail time. This decision creates a precedence to prosecute others who enslaved Yazidis in Iraq for crimes against humanity and receive tough jail time, even if no actual deaths can be contributed to them.

Who knows if she can be rehabilitated. She had a clean rep before she went to join the IS, and seems to have lost faith in it, as she stopped being religious before she was arrested. I would not be surprised if she lives an unremarkeable life after she is released, like many people who participated in the Holocaust and other genocidal crimes and never offended again.

Today, you pussified Germans wouldn't execute Hitler. You would rehabilitate him. the

What's the average term for the rape of a minor in Germany? A nation is judged best by how it reacts to violence against the weakest. In the US, If the verdict is not the death penalty, the inmates often fix it.

I never thought that one day I would be proud of American inmates.

Typical Euro bs.

In the US, if two are acting together to rob a store, even if one is only waiting in the car, both are going down for premeditated murder if death is the outcome. Even if the kill shot comes from a cop who just happened to be there!

If you want your German head to explode, google "felony murder".

Man, do I love America...

Of course not. That the state should not have the right to take the life of its' citizens is one of the things we learned as a consequence of his regime.


And often in the US you have convicts going in for a relatively light crime and they come out as hardened criminals.

It seems like Americans take notice though.

The German prison program that inspired Connecticut

youtube.com/watch?v=yOmcP9sMwIE&t=544s&pp=ygUXQW1lcmljYW4gZ2VybWFuIHByaXNvbnM%3D

Yes, based on what I've read* I think that most probably she can't be rehabilitated. She wasn't sent to a mental institution and that means she wasn't mentally ill. That most probably means that she's a psychopath. Psychopaths can't be cured. And she's a psychopath on the Nazi level.

*I don't know how young she was when she joined ISIS though - maybe if she was very young, there is still hope for her. I'd have to know more.


For a crime against humanity of such character?
Her husband is serving a life sentence for the girl's death, so I think her sentence should be higher too.


You changed what I wrote - I didn't ask whether you were "happy" about the sentence, but what you think about it.
Thanks for the answer though.

Concerning there not being enough evidence and her husband being responsible:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12456659/German-ISIS-bride-jailed-14-years-crimes-against-humanity.html

"The woman argued in court that her husband had restrained the girl and left her to die, but judges decided that she was equally responsible for the girl's fate."

Also, she put a gun to the mother's head and threatened to kill her in order to stop her from crying. How f*cked up you have to be to do that?

That "lady" was also a member of the ISIS morality police. She patrolled city parks in IS-occupied Fallujah and Mosul, armed with an AK-47 assault rifle, a pistol, and an explosives vest.

Who knows what else she did during that time. She clearly wasn't just a "wifey" that would sit at home.

freeyezidi.org/news-updates/fyf-statements/conviction-and-sentencing-of-isis-member-jennifer-wenisch-in-germany/

"FYF applauds Germany's efforts in prosecuting ISIS crimes against the Yezidis, including the earlier trial of ISIS member Omaima Abdi. Today's ruling, while historic, is still far less than what the Yezidi community hoped for and deserves*."

*I share this sentiment.

One of the many, many things wrong with the American legal and justice system.

One interesting story I have once read about the UK in early modern times. If I remember correctly, break-ins became a serious problem, so they applied the death-penalty (which was used for a lot of non-violent crimes back then). The number of break-ins did not decline, but the number of murders increased. Because now the culprits had nothing to gain amd everything to lose from leaving witnesses.

Fortunately, in developed societies sentencing decisions are based on much more than things people read online and then mouth off about. Many hours of analysis by psychologists, psychiatrists, very detailed examination of people's life histories and their situation before the crime, whether or not there are factors like coercive control by a manipulative partner as well as things that almost certainly can't appear on websites due to reporting restrictions.


The governments of many countries have the option to ask courts to increase a sentence if they believe it is unduly lenient and the final decision on that is of course always made by a judge or panel of judges who are in possession of far more details about all aspects of the case than the appalling and wretched readership of the Daily Heil.

@Paulina


I have been following this case with great interest, so I can tell that this article barely scratches the surface.

The trouble in this case was that there was no physical evidence. The prosecution was only possible due to the culprit revealing the case to an informer of the police and the testimony of the mother was (understandably) sometimes contradictory. All things her lawyers picked up on, so it was not a sure thing that her conviction would be confirmed, let alone be increased.

Why are you being hostile/rude? I'm not "mouthing off", I'm just giving my opinion. I have a right to do that, don't I?

And, sorry, jon357, but in developed societies (and in not so developed ones too) courts often give too light sentences and there are people who are being let out of prisons who shouldn't be let out of prisons at all and then they reoffend. I don't mean stealing a candy bar from a shop, but raping children, for example.

So, based on my knowledge about court rulings and their consequences I don't have that much trust in that court's decision either. I don't have anything against courts in Germany in particular, because in other countries courts happen to give too light/irresponsible sentences too, including in Poland, imho.


I've read that her laywers claimed that there was no evidence that the girl died at all. If that was the case her and her husband shouldn't be sentenced for the girl's death at all. And yet they were. So what do you mean by that "there was no physical evidence"? Evidence of what?

Plenty are. Baying for someone's blood. That is never a good look, and nor is quoting the Daily Heil.


So do you believe in whole life tariffs?

Hopefully you have a very high income since the cost of keeping prisoners long term is huge. And yes, some of the very worst criminals have been rehabilitated well and reintegrated into society.

@Paulina


There is no body, no grave, no pictures, not exact date and the house where is supposedly happened is destroyed and the girl was still officially listed as alive im the records (with many other still missing Yazidis). If the women had not talked to the informer, then German authorities would have had no idea that this happened far away in IS territory.

The confession of the women and the testimony of the mother tells us that the girl died and how, but it was a bit tricky regarding the details required for a murder conviction.

The same info can be found in other sources, including BBC. The link to Daily Mail was the first to come up when I googled this case and that's why I posted it.


Do you mean life sentences? Of course. And not because I'm "baying for blood", but because certain type of offenders simply can't be let out back to the society.


You do realise that there are life sentences being given both in the UK and Poland, right?
I don't care how much it costs - human life and the well being of potential victims is worth any monetary price for me.

They're generally a far better source.


No, I mean whole life tariffs, a different thing. For example, a close friend went to prison for murder, his tariff was 15 years. Lucy Letby the serial killer was given a whole life tariff which means she will never be free.


You do realise that life sentences (see above) are not the same as locking someone up permanently. Many people who have served their tariff subsequently lead good and productive lives.