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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.


jon357 65 | 13,407    
27 Oct 2017  #961
most of so called refugees who come to Europe now are from Maghreb and Subsahran Africa - I haven't heard of the US intervening there lately

They are currently intervening there, as well as funding and supporting the G5 Sahel in Mali. The fallen soldier who Trump's wife insulted was killed in Niger where their drones are based.

One of the major reasons for people fleeing that area is fighting and serious instability there. The other is desertification removing people's livelihoods (and increasing the frequency and intensity of people fighting over resources). This is only likely to become more serious, and this will happen in the short term due to this years very low level of rainfall in livestock farming regions around the Sahara. Austria can expect more new residents over the next year or so, as can Europe. No bad thing.
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
27 Oct 2017  #962
once she realized how monumentally she F'd up

Greece and Italy were completely overrun by refugees and migrants when Merkel decided to act. Do you really believe Poland would have helped the Greeks and Italians out or would have a different position now if Merkel had decided to let them rot instead? Yeah, don't think so. Merkel is simply a convenient scapegoat.
jon357 65 | 13,407    
27 Oct 2017  #963
The fallen soldier who Trump's wife insulted

Too late to edit - it should of course read "the fallen soldier whose wife Trump insulted".

As man-made global warming desertifies more and more of Africa, we can (and should) expect an increase in population movements towards more temperate regions. And to be fair to the migrants, industrial pollution is the fault of more developed places, not their countries of origin which are the victims of this.
SigSauer 2 | 439    
27 Oct 2017  #964
@TheOther

And under international law, refugees are to take refuge in the first safe country they reach. Furthermore, all nationals who are not genuine refugees under international law, and who are migrating for economic purposes must and should be repatriated to their country of register at the earliest possible time.
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
27 Oct 2017  #965
And under international law, refugees are to take refuge in the first safe country they reach

I know, and that would've been Turkey. Since Greece did not control its external border properly, the refugees/ migrants flooded in. Which I'm sure happened with the help and knowledge of Erdogan. So now that they are in Greece (and Italy), what would you do? Remember, you are not talking about a few thousand people, but about a very large number which you cannot simply put in camps and then deport.
spiritus 67 | 659    
27 Oct 2017  #966
And under international law, refugees are to take refuge in the first safe country they reach

Exactly and Merkel and the EU seem to be making rules up as they go along. I find this almost as worrying as the porous borders.
SigSauer 2 | 439    
27 Oct 2017  #967
@spiritus

But, but, but....my feelings! I don't care about facts only my feelings!

This is a dangerous way to run government, based on emotional knee jerks.

When Japan gets told they need 'cultural enrichment,' and they need to participate in the failed experiment of forced multiculturalism, then I'll see an argument for a country like Poland which never participated in African or Middle East colonialism to be told they should 'bare a burden.' As it stands now, the double standards are completely glaring, as it's ok for these nations to have homogeneous societies, but not for countries like Poland, Austria, Hungary, France, Germany, etc. Appalling and glaring double standard. Further to the point, I have nothing to feel guilty about, because some people 100 years ago that look sort of kinda like me did some stuff, does not mean that my own country has to be culturally and demographically destroyed just to make some left wing radical politicians feel better about themselves at night, while living behind their gated communities and armed security bubbles.

In fact you will find in most other countries, it is almost impossible to become a citizen. The current middle eastern country I'm working in right now, it is impossible to become a citizen even through marriage! But go on and tell me some more about the insensitive and brutal western countries.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
27 Oct 2017  #968
Since Greece did not control its external border properly,

you have seen a map of Greece right? How on earth could that have been done?
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
27 Oct 2017  #969
You claim that Merkel said

Said or not that was official stance of the German gov or at the least the massage they send out which reverberated in the German press. You know it and I know it. If you whish to play dumb go ahead. I have already said that I'm not going to participate in your game. You say I lie I say you lie. People here if interested can do the research themselves and decide for themselves who is right.

Since Greece did not control its external border properly,

They did. Until progressives started to cry about the fate or the poor refugees and some bad people staring to meddle and applying a pressure on gov's of those countries. Also lost people made money on smuggling those people in, Like all those 'humanitarian' ships and organizations in one or the other way part of the scheme.

How on earth could that have been done?

Easily, water barrier is not difficult to control given today's technology.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
27 Oct 2017  #970
water barrier is not difficult to control given today's technology.

have a look at the map Iron., Greece has no money so not sure how they would pay for this 'technology' (if it exists) and manpower.

it's called a 'porous border', always has been.
Italy is similar but less extreme.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
27 Oct 2017  #971
I mean Greece has had illegal immigrants taking advantage of this porous border for many years now, just it's all gone a bit mad in terms of numbers in recent years.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
27 Oct 2017  #972
I mean Greece has had illegal immigrants taking advantage of this porous border for many years now

Yes, this did not start in 2015, it goes back at least 5 or so years before that.

Here's a blast from the past

bbc.com/news/world-europe-11990696

there is a long tradition of German destructive meddling and fecklessness in dealing with illegal immigrants to Greece
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
27 Oct 2017  #973
No one wanted to help the Greeks and the Greeks couldn't manage the hundreds of thousands of Muslims camping out at lesbos and the other islands... so they pushed them north seeing as there was no room for them in the first place and most of them wanted to go to Germany anyway for the welfare.

Then the Africans saw what was going on and said, wait why should I have to work for $30 or so a month when stupid German citizens can give me 20-30 eu a day, pay for my food, and pay for my shelter. Then they started flooding in via Italy and to a lesser extent spain.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
27 Oct 2017  #974
Yes, this did not start in 2015, it goes back at least 5 or so years before that.

and the rest- I was working with illegals in Greece 20 odd years ago.
Invariably they had come in by sea.
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
27 Oct 2017  #975
you have seen a map of Greece right? How on earth could that have been done?

Dunno. Maybe asking the other EU members for help patrolling their waters? In the end it doesn't matter because it would've been Turkey's international obligation to take care of the refugees and prevent migrants from other countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan to cross its border in the first place. Instead, Erdogan decided to wave them through. I believe there's a strategic decision behind all this.
Tacitus 1 | 546    
27 Oct 2017  #976
Dunno. Maybe asking the other EU members for help patrolling their waters?

That was offered to Greece several times as far as I know. They always refused, citing their sovereignity as reason.

And even if Greece accepted, Turkey refused to take any refugees back.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
27 Oct 2017  #977
Turkey's international obligation to take care of the refugees and prevent migrants... Erdogan decided to wave them through

can't find the link now, but starting around 10 years ago he was actively facilitating migration to Greece from predominantly muslim countries, win win for him, create a human trafficking industry and spread islam and destabilize an old enemy...
Lyzko 17 | 4,803    
27 Oct 2017  #978
Czech Rep. too is swinging right, with Svoboda going whole hog against random immigrants. Scary times for all Europe right now, particularly bad times for democracy.
KiWo - | 23    
27 Oct 2017  #979
That means again, the proportion of migrants with HIV is 75% - you have roving groups of mgirants where 3/4 of the guys are infected...

That's not what it means. It means that 75% of people with HIV in Sweden weren't born there.
cms 9 | 1,290    
28 Oct 2017  #980
Indeed - there are 11.000 people with hiv in Sweden of which about 6000 are migrants. That 6000 will include some Poles, some Americans and some British by the way.

The total number of migrants in Sweden is 1.2m - so the percentage of migrants with hiv is 0.5.

In Sub Saharan Africa the rate of HIV is now below 5 percent, not the 20 percent.

Blaming refugees for disease is an old tactic of the far right.

You could explain that many times without it being understood. Anyway Dirk is suspended - not sure why but probably something more serious than bragging about the size of his car.
Lyzko 17 | 4,803    
28 Oct 2017  #981
Always easy to blame "foreigners" alone, even en masse, for whichever misfortune du jour happens to be afflicting society at the present time!
In the US of yore, it was the Italians, "destroying" the rule of law, Sacco & Vanzetti who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (avowed anarchists though they were), later the Lindbergh kidnapping and once again, the common enemy from abroad, we made Bruno Richard Hauptmann, an unemployed contractor with a sour puss and thick German accent, the fall guy for killing America's darling couple. The fact that Sacco & Vanzetti and Hauptmann were white Christians didn't mean a thing. Finally, a German-speaking madman from Braunau am Inn blamed the Jews for crime, disease, chaos, and unrest throughout his country.

And so today, we pick on the alien as the root of AIDS, unemployment, discontent, fear along with the usual suspects.

Don't think a similar Holocaust can't happen again, because it can...probably sooner than we think!!
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
28 Oct 2017  #982
Holocaust can't happen again, because it can...probably sooner than we think!!

Very wise words , we may all die under the sword of Islam as it is written.
Crow 141 | 7,009    
14 Mar 2018  #983
Can`t tell for Polish immigrants on island but, luckily, thanks to Brexit, Britain officially isn`t part of EU and that way, stupidity of certain British politicians and government probably won`t have effects on Poles in Poland. Thank God, for little wonders. Little

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to paraphrase said words: ``I got a vision that Russians are to be blamed! I`m not historical, I nicely giving them an ultimatum!``

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to paraphrase said words: ``Go f*** yourself Brits.``
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
15 Mar 2018  #984
@Crow

Love that picture of May rofl!!!!

Honestly she's not all that bad though out of the bunch but she's no Farage. You can't barrage the Farage.
mr milzey 1 | 3    
11 Jul 2018  #985
Merged:

What will happen to Anglo Polish relationships after Brexit.



Hello,does any one inthe UK with a Polish or British partner have any concerns about Brexit?
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
11 Jul 2018  #986
No cos anyone partnered with a polish citizen will still have full access to Europe, ching ching
Lyzko 17 | 4,803    
11 Jul 2018  #987
Even when Brexit does go through and Johnson, Farage etc. finally get their way, boy, is that gonna be one rough landing for Britain!
Glad I never decided to move there:-)
Jaskier    
11 Jul 2018  #988
have any concerns about Brexit?

I do. And my partner as well...
Concern #1: Will I be allowed to stay? (I should be according to what I read but one never knows)
Concern #2: How UK will cope with Brexit (economy, jobs, laws)

I think every sane person is worried. Whether a remain or leave supporter one has to recognise it's a very dangerous time...
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
11 Jul 2018  #989
Glad I never decided to move there

Its ok to make cash you always had the option to move back to europe if things went wrong.
TheWizard - | 222    
11 Jul 2018  #990
Well the brits are pissing off eu and neighbours and now not making many friends in the usa. Where exactly is this new world uk trade coming from? I dont get it.




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