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THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY


pawian 223 | 24,582
3 Nov 2023 #361
The leaving PiS gov is creating another, the 6th division, in the army. It is going to be on paper only coz there are already huge vacancies in the existing 5 divisions. To make up for them, PIS counts the civilians working for the army as soldiers. AmaSSing liars!

PiS gangsters want to have a pretext to accuse the future gov of negligence when they aren`t able to make it.
Fekk PIS azholes and their dirty games with the army.
pawian 223 | 24,582
13 Mar 2024 #362
After top Polish leaders` visit to the US for the 25th anniversary of NATO accession, new purchase plans have been announced. 1700 missiles and nearly 100 Apache choppers.. Amasing!!

Among the missiles, 800 long range JASSMs.

tass.com/world/1759077

MOSCOW, March 13. /TASS/. Poland is set to buy JASSM air-to-ground missiles from the US that have the potential to reach targets inside Russia, former Polish Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief General Miroslaw Rozanski said in an interview with the news website Gazeta.pl.

"I see the greatest added value in JASSM missile systems with extended range," he said in comments on a recent visit by Polish President Andrzej Duda and Prime Minister Donald Tusk to Washington. "Our planes stationed in Laska, if equipped with these missiles, will need to fly no further than the Vistula to strike targets inside Belarus and Russia."


PS. The Polish army already possesses a few dozen JASSMs.
pawian 223 | 24,582
13 Mar 2024 #363
Among the missiles, 800 long range JASSMs.

This means that if Russians try to attack critical infrastructure in Poland, the Polish answer will be fast and devastating - all Russian oil facilities located 800 km from the Polish border will be taken out. Where will Russians earn their income from then?
Alien 21 | 5,178
13 Mar 2024 #364
This means that if Russians try to attack critical infrastructure in Poland, the Polish answer will be fast and devastating

That's right... and they'll also hit them with Apaches. 🚁
pawian 223 | 24,582
13 Mar 2024 #365
also hit them with Apaches

Not them but their tanks which try to capture the Suwalski strip, the shortest route from Russian Belarus to Russian Konigsberg. It won`t be Indians against cowboys clash.
pawian 223 | 24,582
13 Mar 2024 #366
nearly 100 Apache choppers.

I forgot to add:

The US will provide a loan of two billion dollars for the purchase of these combat helicopters.
Bobko 25 | 1,959
13 Mar 2024 #367
1700 missiles and nearly 100 Apache choppers.. Amasing!!

Yes! Amassssing!

Joe Biden is laughing all the way to the bank, while the French and Germans are scratching their heads.

One of the poorest countries in the EU, is ready to send its last money to the richest countries, because of paranoia.

If Russia will ever attack Poland, then I will donate $1M to some NGO helping Ukrainian refugees in Poland.
dannytoro1 4 | 89
14 Mar 2024 #368
I think Poland did very well inking the deal on K2 Panther.
Alien 21 | 5,178
14 Mar 2024 #369
some NGO helping Ukrainian refugees in Poland.

Helping with what?
pawian 223 | 24,582
14 Mar 2024 #370
If Russia will ever attack Poland, then I will donate $1M to some

When imperial Russians vow they won`t attack Poland, it means they will. Poles and Polesses have known the lying nature of imperial Russians not for years or even decades, but centuries.

Of course Russia will attack Poland after Poland comes to aid the Baltics attacked by Russia first. It is clear as daylight.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
27 Mar 2024 #371
After a series of deadly accidents during military training this month the Minister of Defense decided to halt some types of training in the Polish army. Officers agree that it's a good move - the situation should be investigated and improved:

o2.pl/informacje/sprawdzic-wyjasnic-i-do-boju-czarna-seria-wypadkow-na-szkoleniach-wojska-7010435315456992a

At the beginning of March two soldiers were ran over by a military tracked vehicle at an army test range in northwestern Poland. The accident took place at the Land Forces Training Center in Drawsko Pomorskie.

On Monday this week two soldiers from the 5th Chemical Regiment died during a training with explosives.

Yesterday a soldier from Special Forces unit NIL died during training in the Tatra Mountains.

🕯️😢
Bobko 25 | 1,959
27 Mar 2024 #372
@Paulina

If you don't train, you won't be able to fight.

As Russian Generalissimo Suvorov used to say -

"What is difficult in training will become easy in a battle."
Novichok 4 | 8,144
27 Mar 2024 #373
halt some types of training in the Polish army.

The Polish army doesn't have to train. Just call DC.
You do have the WH on speed dial?
dannytoro1 4 | 89
27 Mar 2024 #374
Deaths frequently happen in the USA services. Normally only local news will cover them. You are working with big dangerous machines. I recall doing a training flight with Florida Air Guard. They had an A-37B in and it was going to a range event at Strickland Bombing range. I got to fly in the extra seat.

Never forgot it. You could pull back the fabric cockpit cover and peer down onto the turbojet engine!!! Loud!!! Sounded like banshees screaming on take off.

A real Pig of a fuel eater too. The only thing on the wings were extra fuel tanks.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
28 Mar 2024 #375
If you don't train, you won't be able to fight.

I know, I know... But 5 deaths in one month is rather unusual (at least by Polish army standards).

The Polish army doesn't have to train.

I'm sure Trump would disagree lol

Deaths frequently happen in the USA services.

I know. Apparently more US soldiers die in training than in combat. But in the US they also do "safety reviews" if "too many" die in a short time span:

news.usni.org/2023/08/30/marines-call-for-safety-standdown-after-5-marines-die-in-august-training-accidents

When my brother went into military this was one of the things I was afraid of most - that he will die or get maimed in one of those accidents.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
28 Mar 2024 #376
Minister of Defense

*Defence
jon357 74 | 22,347
28 Mar 2024 #377
Minister of Defense decided to halt some types of training in the Polish army

The Ministry of National Defence?

They did the right thing.

Soldiers sometimes die or are seriously injured in training (my friend was badly injured and had to leave the army due to a training injury) however safety should always be paramount to reduce avoidable risks.

5 deaths in one month is rather unusual

That's a lot. Presumably they're doing some particularly intensive training due to current circumstances.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
28 Mar 2024 #378
The Ministry of National Defence?

Yup.

Presumably they're doing some particularly intensive training due to current circumstances.

Yes, that's a possible reason - apparently lately there have been more accidents in the US army too. Although I'd worry about the quality of instructors, etc. after 8 years of PiS rule, to be honest - PiS was messing with the army quite a lot... 🤔
Torq 7 | 708
28 Mar 2024 #379
I'd worry about the quality of instructors, etc. after 8 years of PiS rule, to be honest - PiS was messing with the army quite a lot...

I'm not too much interested in the professional army. As we know it's not the professionals but reservists who win wars :) However, my cousin, a major, has always been saying that the situation in the army was never as good as it was during PiS rule. He keeps saying that even now, with PiS already gone.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
28 Mar 2024 #380
@Torq, that may depend on your cousins' political views though and/or on the fact that he got promoted and got a pay rise during PiS rule, for example :)) You really don't know what was happening with the army during PiS rule?:

oko.press/fabryki-oficerow-czyli-desant-macierewicza-wojsko-polskie-raport-oko-press-o-czystkach-armii

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/pis-doprowadzilo-do-gangreny-w-polskiej-armii-generalow-sie-nie-ustawia/rs3l01x
Torq 7 | 708
28 Mar 2024 #381
that may depend on your cousins' political views

Hardcore PO/Tusk supporter.

Still, he claims that PiS got the army matters right. May or may not be connected with his personal situation. I don't know, and I don't care - as I said, professional mercenaries don't win wars - we, humble reservists, do. :)
Paulina 17 | 4,459
28 Mar 2024 #382
May or may not be connected with his personal situation.

Well, yeah, exactly...

I don't know, and I don't care - as I said, professional mercenaries don't win wars - we, humble reservists, do. :)

You may start caring if one of those "products" from "Macierewicz's officers' factory" will become your commander though... :)
dannytoro1 4 | 89
28 Mar 2024 #383
Actually any serious accident causes a review.
Paulina 17 | 4,459
27 Apr 2024 #384
The tragic series continue:

A Spanish soldier died during NATO exercises in Poland involving the use of live ammunition :

rp.pl/wojsko/art40222851-tragedia-na-manewrach-nato-w-polsce-nie-zyje-zolnierz

And today a body of a GROM soldier was found after the search that lasted since Wednesday. The experienced diver went missing during underwater exercises near Westerplatte. His death will be investigated by an independent committee.

RIP 😔🕯️
pawian 223 | 24,582
27 Apr 2024 #385
Still, he claims that PiS got the army matters right.

Experts are divided on that. E.g, some experts claim that light fighter planes PiS gov bought in South Korea are much inferior to Russian heavy fighter planes. You know, like American F-5 which was too weak for US Air Force but very popular among poorer allies.
dannytoro1 4 | 89
4 May 2024 #386
The F-5A had a useful combat service in USAF, And later served stellar service as aggressor aircraft for both the USN and USAF dogfight programs in the F-5E model. The F-5G would have been a successful follow on. However politically placed golden parachute military industrial complex dupes were jealous it would lessen F-16 sales. So they moved to squash the program.

Very dumb. As the F-5 series was so very easy to maintain with little manpower. Versus an F-16 which needs big perfect airfields and an army of maintainers comparatively.
Novichok 4 | 8,144
4 May 2024 #387
Why does the US need fighter planes?
Is there any evidence that China or Russia are planning to invade the US?
pawian 223 | 24,582
4 May 2024 #388
And later served stellar service as aggressor aircraft for both the USN and USAF dogfight programs

Yes, I still remember my shock when I saw it in Top Gun film as a Soviet plane at a private video marathon show at my friend`s place in late 1980s . I was already an expert on planes coz aviation had been my hobby since early 1980s.

That was the reason I watched that Top Gun film only once in my life. I refuse to be duped in such a disgusting manner.

China or Russia are planning to invade the US?

No, wiseguy, China is planning to invade Taiwan and the US are intent on defending it.
dannytoro1 4 | 89
5 May 2024 #389
For years the A-4 Skyhawk played Mig-17. F-5E the Mig-19 and 21. And F-4's played Mig-23/27. All fit the right performance level.
Novichok 4 | 8,144
5 May 2024 #390
So nobody knows why the US needs fighter planes, artillery, and tanks...

We spending billions on them and nobody knows how we are going to use this crap to defend the US. Weird...

When I buy something I know exactly why...


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