Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21

Both political elites got a lot to gain during this war, especially with a standstill (less risk of losing own land).

Both Ukraine and Russia got a lot of attention in world media and are trying to use it to their advantage for sure. Ukrainians now know of possibilities in the west they thought impossible or not worth the hassle.

Russia thinks it can stop the wave of young men in Eastern Europe to move away from it's orbit. If it can't stop, it prefers to force them to die on the battlefield. It has succeeded with that for Ukraine and Russia while Belarus is staying out of it as much as possible and claims to prioritise Poland as a danger (which is bullocks) which makes Belarus not send young men to war in Ukraine for Russian interests.

In middle of this political parties try to gain as much as possible out of this. Only those who have a lot to lose would fight to end the war. But, with the high amount of not being bothered and general cyniscism in Russian and Ukrainian societies as a post-Soviet society. All responsibility is pushed away from the individual on to the groups caring for self gain that has established power. Until a spokesperson gives hope for a brighter future with real backing and possibility of breakthrough. It will be a slow grind

But sure. But of course. Russia was colony. Fu*king weakling. Its clear to all now. What we see is rebellion of Russia and Russia`s finger already tackling EU ie western Europe ie globalists, in very sophisticated places.


Why didn`t Poland rebel to join with Yugoslavia/Serbia or non-aligned movement, and insted opted to serve the globalists?

Even now Poland insist to serve globalists when Russia tries to liberate itself from colonial status to western Europe.

And again Poland isn`t with Serbia but with globalists.

North Nigerian war criminals humiliate Witkoff and Golden Cow with a broad daylight attack on civilians going to church in Sumy

Within a few hours we will here they were attacking NATO mercenaries secret meeting

On Palm Sunday...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/ukraina-rosja/news-atak-rakietowy-rosji-na-ukrainskie-miasto-wielu-zabitych,nId,21395379

21 dead, 80 wounded... + + +

I actually like this idea. I think there are several reasons it may work:

1) Ukraine itself always acts like the pipeline is an albatross around its neck, and not a money printing machine. Why not help the Ukrainians unburden themselves of this weight?

2) Russia (Gazprom) pays a very handsome and very stable fee for using the pipeline. Depending on volumes, it can be as much as $3-4 billion a year.

3) Under this scenario - it is not Ukraine being "extorted" out of its mineral wealth, but Russia paying "reparations". Ukrainian leadership saves face, and can boast about "making Russia pay".

4) Unlike some ephemeral Ukrainian rare earths (where nobody knows if they actually exist), under this scenario the US will have a total assurance that the money it spent on Ukraine will be paid back within a relatively short time frame.

5) As for Russia - we don't care who we pay transit fees to. What we do care about is regaining access to our historic consumers in a context where Nord Stream is still out of commission.

6) American control over the pipeline would address one of the main pre-war concerns of Russia - random shut offs and theft by the Ukrainians.

I'm puking with those "NATO mercenaries secret meetings" already. All Putinist propagandists will end up in hell.


That's RuSSia for you.

"Russia strikes northeastern Ukrainian city of Sumy in deadliest attack this year:"

cnn.com/2025/04/13/europe/russian-strike-sumy-ukraine-intl/index.html


At leat 31 now, including two children.

Screenshots from a video taken after RuSSia's today's attack on Sumy in Ukraine (video posted by president Zelensky on his Instagram profile):

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....and Germans don't need to have a bad conscience anymore, right?

Sounds actually not so bad....put some reparation-percents onto that fee, which helps Ukraine to rebuild, and there might be peace possible, when all sides profit from the pipes....

It was not a strike on "people going to church". It was a strike on the center of a city, which is crucial to what happens next in this war.

After the Ukrainians were largely pushed out of Kursk, they re-entrenched themselves along a line on the border (on the Russian side) that provides them commanding heights.

These forces are being supplied out of Sumy - which acted as the logistical hub for the entire Kursk operation during its 8 month history.

Instead of sending them to aid the fight in the Donbass or in the South, Zelensky and Syrski are keeping their men there. The rationale they provide, is that these men must act as a screening force to prevent a planned Russian re-invasion of the North. This new invasion is supposed to be effected by a fresh grouping of up to 160,000 Russian servicemen.

To blunt the Russian preparations, Ukraine has been using its F-16s to perform strikes right along the line of contact. Yesterday - one F-16 was shot down while dropping precision bombs on Russian positions.

Russian strikes on Sumy are not intended for "killing churchgoers", but disrupting the Ukrainian rear on a new potential front.

Bobko, we all know you're not stupid, so cut the bullsh1t. If you're attacking a center of a city at this time of the day on Palm Sunday you want to disrupt Ukrainian celebrations of Palm Sunday by killing people going to church.


How attacking a city center and killing civillians is supposed to "disrupt the Ukrainian rear on a new potential front"?? What the f*ck are you even talking about???

I will tell you that Ukraine is lying, again, and you will tell me in response that Russia is lying. What's the point of this?

Ukraine has lost several hundred men over the past month, when Russia struck them during various ceremonies. There is public outcry in Ukraine, over why commanders continue to gather men in locations where there is constant Russian surveillance.

Here is a Google-translated report from the Russian side (notice it quoted a Ukrainian MP - Bezugla). You are free to look at the pictures yourself and tell me if you spot the military pickups and bodies in uniform.

Excerpt:

Fake: The Russian Armed Forces intentionally hit the civilian population of the city of Sumy with Iskander missiles. This was stated by Volodymyr Zelensky.

Truth: The strike by two high-precision Iskander-M OTRKs was carried out on the congress center of Sumy University, where the award ceremony of the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants was taking place. The electronic warfare systems installed there were able to deflect one of the missiles. The second missile hit the target exactly. Thus, the Ukrainian army once again exposed its own civilian population to attack. The human shield tactic has been used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces since the very beginning of the conflict.

The presence of military personnel on the territory of the congress center is also proven by the vehicles captured on video by Ukrainian media. For example, several army pickups are visible, including one with a tactical sign (triangle). Units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with exactly these tactical signs invaded the Kursk region in August 2024. The concentration of vehicles of this type is not typical for urban conditions. Also, Ukrainian military personnel were captured on video in the first minutes after the explosion. What they were doing on Sunday at the supposedly "non-working" congress center is a rhetorical question.

The fact that the military award ceremony was held was confirmed by Verkhovna Rada deputy Maryana Bezugla:

"Appeal to Syrsky and separately to the commander of the Troops: do not gather the military for the award ceremony, and especially in civilian cities - the Russians again had information about the gathering. And there is still a formation at the training grounds..."

Various ceremonies - like church

For me the point is either getting the facts across or learning what those facts are.

There's a video taken after the attack on Sumy posted at Zelensky's official Instagram profile. People lying on the street and damaged cars are civillian. I haven't noticed anything military looking.


Link.


Link.


Post a link, a video or at least screenshots, please, because this doesn't look like a "military vehicle" to me:

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Why hit a church gathering? Iskanders are not free, and Ukrainian babushkas and kids represent no value whatsoever. They represent NEGATIVE value.

Hitting them damages Russian morale, and boosts Ukrainian morale.

Hitting them leads to less recruits in Russia, just as Ukraine hitting Russian civilians leads to increased recruitment.

With a city like Sumy, you can be certain there is a very high chance there were Russian citizens in that crowd, or relatives of people living in Kursk and Belgorod.

It makes no sense at all.

Welcome to russia, comrade.

They hit civilians to humiliate the US and because they can't hit well defended military installations

Sure, because it's such a "brilliant tactic" to hold a military award ceremony in the middle of the city (where every spy can see what's going on) by a country that is short on soldiers.

It's been three years of this war and this supposed "Ukrainian tactic" that I've never seen any proof of. To my knowledge the only thing the RuSSian side usually provides are words and nothing more.

How is that possible?

Whenever a decent military is going to conduct an airstrike at a target of this nature (especially such a precise attack in the middle of the city) they have to have a proof that the intended target or targets are there. They have to have a confirmation. So whomever was there at the ground most probably would take photos of those "military vehicles" standing in the vicinity of that building as a proof that could be sent to RuSSians.

I'll tell you what, I have an advice for your propagandists - take photos before you strike, so you would have proof for your claims. Otherwise noone will believe you, because, why would they? RuSSia lies all the time.

Remember the RuSSian bombing of Mariupol theatre? RuSSia either claimed that Azov Brigade blew it up or that there was an Ukrainian military base there - I guess RuSSians couldn't make up their mind about what lies to tell lol 🤦 None of RuSSia's claims were in any way confirmed:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike

Just partial repayment for the money we provided to the defense of Ukraine, no difference from the European
conditions for giving help and expecting to get repaid.So, the question for you, geniuses: Is Europe stealing from Ukraine?They getting their money back
besides, Ukraine is a European country, mainly your problem, so what are you crying about?

No. Remember the good vs bad Novi rule:

EU being repaid - good

US being repaid - bad

See how simple life is when one is a slimy Euro...

The links showing how much was given and loaned by the US, the EU and other countries like Oz and Japan have been posted here many times

The EU and other countries are not asking for compensation in amounts that come to circa 6.000 euro per Ukrainian citizen

We are all sick of Golden Cow interfering and making the situation worse. He should stick to screwing up his own country and if he wants to be involved he needs to send educated professionals, not some old guys who sold him a hotel 30 years ago

Good. Please die.

The Ukrainian MP, Maryana Bezugla, mentioned in the Russian statement is not an imaginary person. Also, the issue of soldiers being gathered in large numbers for unnecessary ceremonies is not an imagined one (nor does it only happen with the Ukrainian side, unfortunately).

Here is a report from March, from a Ukrainian news source, about a commander being fired in the aftermath of a Russian missile strike in Dnipropetrovsk.

Source: ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3966408-training-center-chief-unit-commander-suspended-after-deadly-russian-strike-cinc.html

This strike also involved an Islander-M.

The command told everybody to gather in an open field (this, in the third year of the war), and was 30 minutes late to arrive. The men stood out in the open, while a Russian drone observed from overhead. A "double tap" approach was used, as favored by the Israelis.

This is part of the answer to your question about why there are no photos from "spies" on the ground. It is because drones are used to surveil territories close enough to the frontline. The rest is:

1) There are also satellites
2) There is signals intelligence
3) You don't want to "burn" your agents by having them lay out photos on Instagram

The Ukrainian government forbids media and citizens from posting photos or videos from the location of Russian strikes. The ostensible reason is to deny the Russian military the ability to carry out damage assessment. This is nonsense. The Russian military does not rely on Instagram to assess damage.

The real reason Ukraine forbids reporting from strike sites (other than through fully stage managed reports), is because it allows the government to continue arguing that every single Russian strike is a war crime.

When people shared videos on social media that clearly controvert the government line, by showing clearly that a military target was struck - those people get arrested by the SBU and jailed.

@Bobko, that's a lot of words in your post, but no links that I asked for.

Where are those links? Videos? Photos? Screenshots? Anything?


Oh, I know. You think I didn't check her out :):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Bezuhla

"On 16 July 2024 Maryana Bezuhla was added to the Myrotvorets database for discrediting the Ukrainian government, the Armed Forces and "actions aimed at demoralizing the army".

During the 26 August 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Bezuhla published unconfirmed information that an F-16 fighter jet of the Armed Forces was shot down by friendly fire, which was denied by the Air Force Command. On 18 September, the Verkhovna Rada unanimously voted to remove her from her position as deputy chair of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security and Defense.

And where is the link proving that she said what you claim she said?


Recklessness or stupidity wasn't your accusastion though. You claim that this is some deliberate, Machiavellian Ukrainian "human shield tactic."


So? Drones are even better. I've seen footage from drones posted during this war many times.


And you can post footage from satelites too. As for agents posting photos on Instagram - are you stupid or do you think I'm stupid? Your military command or your government could post any proof they had after every attack (not "agents on Instagram" lol), but somehow they don't.

My posts are shorter.

Russia will win. Ukraine will lose.

Those who assist Ukraine are war criminals. Morally, if not legally.

Just as a referee who doesn't stop the fight when the result is already known.

@Novichok, the only war criminals are those who deliberately bomb a theater full of civillians with a big sign "Children" next to the building. And no amount of sociopathic bullsh1t coming from you will change that.

I haven't heard so much BS in a very long time......are you following the war in Ukraine????


100% accurate.

Russia is losing this war anyway because the Ukrainians are far smarter then the Russians.

Unless you are an American, Russian, or BB, please do not respond to my posts.

There are now "28,595 sanctions against individuals and legal entities." That is a number significantly exceeding "all sanctions ever imposed on all other nations combined.

In 2024 Russia had one of the most dynamically growing economies in the G20. This outcome was produced by both Russian businesses and the state.

The latter has applied a whole set of instruments, including capital controls, expanded spending, deliberate import substitution, and policies of reorienting trade. In combination with the effect of the sanctions themselves, their result has been what one analyst has called a "seismic new shift in global trade flows," much of it in Russia's favor.

Bravo! I am happy for you, Russia...

Also a reminder...Never, ever trust Western scum...Never...I don't give a fvck if that scum is in the DC or London...

What you guys think? Is it a good summary of the situation before the invasion of Ukraine?

Gonna try and put a link here to a commentary to a video on YouTube:

Apropos NATO....soon-to-be-Chancellor Merz just yesterday repeated in TV that he backs Ukraine's membership in NATO (but only after the war ends) and, not quite unimportant before that, he backs his statement that he is willing to send the Taurus to Ukraine at last, (contrary to still-actual-Chancellor Scholz)....

Of course he already broke two of his most important election promises so we will have to wait and see...

... and?

You do not find it unusual, that a hand selected (by Zelensky) member of the President's party, is being treated as some leper?

I didn't find this girl, Zelensky did. He trusted her enough, to allow him to represent his own voice in parliament.

She wasn't just an anonymous rank-and-file member of parliament either. Not some trophy wife of a oligarch, that only shows up to vote on laws. As you yourself pointed out - she was Deputy Chair of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security and Defense.

She had the power to audit the Ministry of Defense, to call generals and colonels to testify, and to visit any section of the frontline which interested her (and she did this a lot).

If she thinks that Ukrainian generals are idiots that don't care about the safety of the enlisted members - who are you to argue with her?

Do you know anything about the Mirotvorets website which you mentioned? Both the EU and the US have asked Ukraine to shut it down. It features a great number of Europeans and Americans that did a great deal to help Ukraine, and whose only fault is some uncareful tweet or facebook post. People whose names have been entered into Mirotvorets have received death threats. It is a criminal website, run by Ukrainian nationalists. Great job Paulina!