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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10


Ironside 53 | 12,412
1 Apr 2024 #901
Is it true that the Polish defence minister

I don't know but would not be suprised as it is another doormat. They are not going to last long, if you had a real elite not those liberal morons who are clueless we could start talking about cooperation, As it is that Sky Bs is another way to suck up money for German industry and won't help Poland much in case of a war.
pawian 222 | 24,343
1 Apr 2024 #902
if you had a real elite not those liberal

Which elites are you talking about? PIS or Konfederacja??? hahahaha

talking about cooperation,

Yes, we have seen this "cooperation" for the last 8 years. Tacitus is still haunted with nightmares in result. hahahaha buhahaha

They are not going to last long,

Exactly. Next Sunday Konfederacja nazio boys will win local elections and take power in Poland. hahahaha buhahaha

won't help Poland much in case of a war.

You are too embittered at Easter time to be taken seriously. Ha!!!!
Tacitus 2 | 1,377
1 Apr 2024 #903
@Ironside

and won't help Poland much in case of a war.

Having working anti-air defence systems is absolutely crucial in the case of war. And considering the expense of such systems, it is certainly smarter to order those together with other countries.

@pawian

Yes, we have seen this "cooperation" for the last 8 years.

Yeah, 8 lost years, to the detriment of Poland, Germany and Europe.

On a positive note, the Russian just suffered heavy losses during a big tank assault West of Adviika

The Russian Army Just Launched The Biggest Tank Assault Of The War

forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/31/the-russian-army-just-launched-the-biggest-tank-assault-of-the-war/?sh=1ff283bc6e67

Looks like those drones are really coming in handy.
Novichok 4 | 7,804
1 Apr 2024 #904
Looks like those drones are really coming in handy.

...and that's why U mothers and widows are smiling.
Please don't insult me with ...but Russia... Your concern should be about your friends if they are alive, not if your enemies are dead.

To show you how it works...If one of my granddaughter's life could be saved by killing all Euros, Euros would have to go...Simple...

Got it or was this too complicated?
mafketis 37 | 10,846
1 Apr 2024 #905
Occam's razor.... why did russia invade Ukra

our concern should be about your friends if they are alive

russia has made it exceedingly clear (unless you're a senile old fool who believes RT) that it's intention in the case of victory is to kill very large numbers of Ukrainians. They don't hide it they say it out loud on russian state, russian government controlled, tv.

Ukrainians know their only chance is to fight. Surrender = death.
Novichok 4 | 7,804
1 Apr 2024 #906
russia has made it exceedingly clear

Did you talk to Putin?

Ukrainians know their only chance is to fight. Surrender = death.

How many Ukrainians were executed after CDL became part of the Russian Federation?
How many Ukrainians did you talk to to come to this conclusion?

What a moron...
jon357 74 | 21,980
1 Apr 2024 #907
CDL became part of the

It didn't.
Novichok 4 | 7,804
1 Apr 2024 #908
CDL is Russia.

Try to go there without a Russian visa...hahahahahahaha...
mafketis 37 | 10,846
1 Apr 2024 #910
CDL is Russia.

And what about 3 and X?
Korvinus 2 | 476
1 Apr 2024 #911
Haha! "Plausibility" - I love that.

Why Russian and commies are the unique guys who deny their atrocities?

I never found a single British nationalists denying famine in Ireland, India and other tragedies committed by them. But you guys is always "didn't happened and was deserved because the victim dared to resist"...

The main difference between Soviet evil empire and other empires is the focus on equality. The reality is that every society based on equality will going collapse as is completely unnatural. Yuri Bezmenov described how every society based on it collapsed and predicted that USSR would collapse in early 80s. This focus in something so unnatural made their evil empire much more Tyrannical than every other evil empire combined. Even a cartoon vilain can understand a basic fact about humans which every commie and social democrat baizuo can't :
Tacitus 2 | 1,377
1 Apr 2024 #912
@Novichok

Your concern should be about your friends if they are alive, not if your enemies are dead.

A dead Russian soldier won't kill any Ukrainians. A destroyed Russian can not be used to invade other European countries, where I might be forced to fight them.

CDL became part of the Russian Federation?

The same decree also made Kherson part of Russia. Good luck trying to enter it with a Russian passport.
cms neuf 1 | 1,759
1 Apr 2024 #913
The fate of that tank column shows what a stalemate there will now be

Udmurtia can't protect ships or tanks or even dug in positions against cheap drones

Udmurtia won't use its Air Force for whatever reason - but probably they don't want to lose too many planes in an unnecessary war

Ukraine cannot easily defend against artillery

Neither side has great morale or good supply lines

However Ukraine is in a better position to watch the Udmurtians exhaust themselves
jon357 74 | 21,980
1 Apr 2024 #914
nationalists

Remember that in developed countries most people aren't nationalists. They don't tend to feel guilty for or proud of things that dead people did on the basis of simply coming from the same place, or if they do, it's not generally anything personal for them. r*SSia however can't be called a developed country.

dug in positions

And they've learnt well from the successes and failures of the r*SSian anti-tank fortifications.

And had a heck of a lot of training in the U.K. and elsewhere.

Udmurtia won't use its Air Force

They'd lose sales in a flash when they got shot down. They can show their planes off to dictators with open wallets at an air show. The proof of the pudding is in the eating though and they can't be seen to fail.
Alien 20 | 4,925
1 Apr 2024 #915
A dead Russian soldier

At least he won't murder anyone else.
Novichok 4 | 7,804
1 Apr 2024 #916
Look up KIA and MIA to learn the difference.
No, azhole...MIA does not stand for Murdered In Action.

Since Russia's birthday in December 1991, who killed more people...the US or Russia?
Novichok 4 | 7,804
2 Apr 2024 #917


'Russia Won, NATO Lost': France Leader Drops Bombshell; Global Panic Over Ukraine's Loss?

These immoral warmongering mother fvckers, addicted to wars against countries like Yugoslavia and Iraq, must be in shock...Russia was supposed to be out of ammo, out of money, with Putin dead or in prison. Surprise, surprise, azholes...

A reader's comment:

We knew this 2 years ago. They could have saved the lives of over a million soldiers and civilians that have died in this pointless war and waste of taxpayers' money.

I knew it. too...
PolAmKrakow 2 | 961
2 Apr 2024 #918
Looks like April 9th will be when congress takes up Ukraine Aid. This article was very informative forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/04/01/ukraine-might-be-getting-34-billion-in-american-weapons-and-soon/

That kind of aid, when looking at all the other aid provided had better produce a breakthrough for Ukraine. The volume of this package, compared to the volume of the prior packages in total is massive. Z will have no excuses after this one. Interesting info was that the Army built a factory already in Texas for shell production. Why havent European nations built more factories in the same time? This is why I am critical of Europes efforts to arm themselves for the future.
mafketis 37 | 10,846
2 Apr 2024 #919
Meanwhile midst the doom and gloom of the russia stans....

Ukraine repelled the largest russian tank attack of the entire war....

twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1774737628211953879

Ukraine killed a russain gauleiter in Luhansk

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1774788281776968044

And Ukraine continues strikers deeper and deeper into russian territory... now hitting targets in Tatarstan 1200 clicks from the border of Ukraine.

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1775043053083877743
Tacitus 2 | 1,377
2 Apr 2024 #920
@PolAmKrakow

provided had better produce a breakthrough for Ukraine

Russia is currently spending more than 150bn on its' war against Ukraine per year. Demanding a breakthrough after the suspension of aid led to the fall of Adviika, a deterroriation of Ukrainian defence against those odds is completely unreasonable.

American aid (if it is indeed approved) is greatly appreciated but Ukraine will need more of it and more time in order to achieve a victory.

Why havent European nations built more factories in the same time

We are, both in- and outside of Ukraine but this takes time. We'll need the USA contribute for at least one more year. Given that American aid is incredibly cost-effective and is spent entirely in the US, that is hardly an unreasonable request.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 961
2 Apr 2024 #921
@Tacitus
The US is done after this batch of money. The American people have given enough and thats what they are saying. If the US can build a new factory, then Europe could have. Lets stop making excuses for Europe not doing better. Its fvcking embarassing. And lets be clear, the US would have provided more aid more quickly had Ukraine followed orders and not wasted lives and equipment on Avdiika when it was not an essential or strategic position.

US factories have been producing and stockpiling ammunition for months. When this passes, Ukraine will get shipments very quickly. What Russia is spending on weapons that are clearly not as good as the US made ones, is simply wasted money. Spending comparisons without quality and impact comparisons dont mean much. The US sent so much that it has taken almost 8 months for Ukraine to start running out since the last batch of funding.

Lets also remember that they will be getting F16s in the next month or so. Adding that into the weapons pool, and all the new volume of weapons, a breakthrough is expected. The only question is, who is going to use all of the new stuff when Ukraine refuses to conscript more men? Cant win a war without men.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,783
2 Apr 2024 #922
The American people have given enough and thats what they are saying.

Hmmm......this poll is from February:

Two years on from Russia's invasion of Ukraine, 74% of Americans view the war there as important to U.S. national interests - with 43% describing it as very important.

pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/16/how-americans-view-the-conflicts-between-russia-and-ukraine-israel-and-hamas-and-china-and-taiwan/

I like that:

....Similar shares see the war between Israel and Hamas (75%) and tensions between China and Taiwan (75%) as important to U.S. national interests....
PolAmKrakow 2 | 961
2 Apr 2024 #923
@Bratwurst Boy
responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-peace-talks-poll/ 70% of Americans want talks to end the war. Last time I was in the US, the sentiment from people, not polsters, is they want money spent in the US on Americans.

Your poll only shows that Americans think it is important to American interests. And in that poll only 45% think it is very important. Lets not try to be a Trump family accountant and twist numbers here.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,783
2 Apr 2024 #924
.....I guess the numbers would be similiar in Germany.

But at least the recognition that Ukraine, Europe generally, still is important to the US is there. Of course any patriot will want to spend his tax money at home, especially when things are not running well....that's why we chose govs to find good compromises...for the national AND the global interests...hopefully!
PolAmKrakow 2 | 961
2 Apr 2024 #925
@Bratwurst Boy
Normally I would agree with you. The US though has been fighting war after war for the last 70 years. Americans are tired of it. The Biden administration has made the US a complete disaster with immigration, drug use, and promoting the insanity of social construct LGBTQ ideology. Honestly it is not the country I grew up in, and its fvcking embarassing. Of course Europe is important, it is where most Americans have their ancestry. Europe will always be important, but Ukraine is not the US responsibility. Z has proven he cant get Russia out and he wont follow orders. This will be his last and best chance. No more excuses once this aid comes and they have F16s in the air.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,783
2 Apr 2024 #926
The US though has been fighting war after war for the last 70 years

.....and that was part of becoming/being the #1 nation on Earth, not only in the free world!

...complete disaster with immigration...promoting the insanity of social construct LGBTQ ideology....its fvcking embarassing....

Ditto here! Lotsa errors had been made in the recent years which have to be corrected...but to recognize a dangerous rival for global power and influence and to show him his boundaries was never one!
mafketis 37 | 10,846
2 Apr 2024 #927
Honestly it is not the country I grew up in, and its fvcking embarassing

It's worse than you describe.... it's post-nation-state fluidity where there's no such thing as coherent foreign policy because it's not clear what foreign even means in post-nation-state fluidity.

That's why the US funds both Israel and the Palestinians... how does that make sense?

Bauman, Mirowski, Babbit and others have all written about the political changes going on... most of the things you're complaining about will not be addressed by any politician grounded in either neoliberalism or modern fluidity*... which is almost all of them. No matter what they say to get elected they have other priorities once they're in office like dismantling more of the nation-state....

It's the real main reason they're losing interest in Ukraine.... it's a nation-state fighting an.... entity with globalist ambitions and neoliberal sympathies will naturally tend to gravitate toward the entity that doesn't like established borders.

*not to mention surveillance capitalism or bio-medical capitalism but those are also out there making life miserable for millions while politicians carefully avoid talking about them
Tacitus 2 | 1,377
2 Apr 2024 #928
@PolAmKrakow

and not wasted lives and equipment on Avdiika when it was not an essential or strategic position.

Adviika was a heavily fortified city that caused the Russian a near endless amount of grief. The amount of losses the Russians sufferes in its' capture are likely the main reason why they could not further capitalize on the shortage of ammunition for the Ukrainians.

The US sent so much

And the Europeans, if not in the same quantity yet.

and all the new volume of weapons, a breakthrough is expected.

Nonsense. The Russians still have the edge in terms of quantity. We are e.g. talking about what, 20-40 F 16? Those will aid in the defence of Ukrainian air space, but will hardly suffice in establishing air superiority in Russian-held territory.

US though has been fighting

Nobody expects the USA to fight in Ukraine. All that it is asked to is to spend a tiny percentage of its' military budget on hardware it has produced and in many cases is not using (meaning the money stays in the USA) and send it to Ukraine where it greatly aids American strategic interests. Not to mention that this has become a great advertisement for American weapons, (is there better advertisement for a Bradley then the video of one shooting the cr*p out of a Russian T-90, or for a Patriot system shooting down one Russian missile and plane after another?). We can already see the benefits for the American arms industry in the many new orders for F-36, Himars, Patriots, Abrams and so on. This aid to Ukraine is not charity. It is an investment that is already paying off for the USA.

The EU is doing all the costly stuff, namely humanitarian, financial and economical aid. Which is of course also in its' interest, but won't return results that are as visible (since Ukraine likely wont be able and or asked to repay those).
Novichok 4 | 7,804
2 Apr 2024 #929
Interesting info was that the Army built a factory already in Texas for shell production.

...but not the Wall.

To the US MICC, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is 1000 times more important than the invasion of the US by the useless foreign hordes that will change this country irreversibly and forever.

We'll need the USA to contribute for at least one more year.

Who the fvck is "We"?

and send it to Ukraine where it greatly aids American strategic interests

What interests?

If we have interests in Ukraine, we have interests in every damn country on the fvcking globe. So does the EU so go for it, spend yourself into bankruptcy, and be proud, azholes...

One more thing, morons,.. Just because we make artllery shells does not change the fact that the US is getting poorer with every shell we make and ship since artillery shells are not investments that return profits. We had McDonald's in the evil Russia under evil Putin.

No, morons, wars are not good for the economy. If they were, every country would be waging a war somewhere...

This is really exhausting...

Where are Bobko and Velund?
Velund 1 | 600
2 Apr 2024 #930
Where are Bobko and Velund?

I'm busy working, Rich. Sorry, but war is a busy time for engineers. I think we will be able to surprise some banderite sh*theads and their masters on other side of the pond by mid-summer. ;)


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