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Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland?


Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #151
A country and its citizens have a say in what happens within their boundaries.

I would suggest a small correction to the above sentence:

A country and its citizens should have the final and legally binding say in what happens within their boundaries on matters as critical to the nation's survival.

The hardest thing to explain to those born in the West is that their "democracies" are an illusion and that they are just useful tools, with some, like a typical liberal American voter, being just useful idiots. They are unable and unwilling to accept the idea that they just as powerless to have a say in the most critical decisions as we were under the Soviets.

Like who comes. Admittedly, the commies controlled also who goes and kept us at the lowest standard of living short of causing riots like in 1970. And that's about it.

A quick test: If all Germans want x and the top 10,000 with their fuhrer Merkel want y - y being open borders to the scum nobody wants, what would be the outcome?

BTW, my apologies to Hitler for comparing him with Merkel. He was the worst sob ever walking but at least he was a patriot not a globalist moron like his current replacement.
Tacitus 2 | 942
23 May 2018 #152
being open borders to the scum nobody wants, what would be the outcome?

She would lose the next election. But since most Germans agree with her on this in principle, this has not happened so far.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,540
23 May 2018 #153
Because poland is a rebel, and they don't like opposition. Its thanks to polamd and hungary resisting the eu as early as 2015 and refusing to abide by the migrant quotas, then all the terror attacks and rapes between then and 2018, along with people seeing the eu can be resisted and nations can once again assert their sovereignty, that now you have populist and nationalist parties sweeping all over. Even in germanistan afd had a meteoric rise. A party or candidate can now run on a platform of opposing the migrant dictates of the eu and win elections.

Tac I wouldn't be so sure.... I despise merkel yet between her and Schultz id still go with Merkel
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #154
She would lose the next election. But since most Germans agree with her on this in principle, this has not happened so far.

Reasonable people can disagree on many issues. Bringing in and keeping the smelly scum that would rape your mothers, sisters, daughters and wives has no middle ground, unless you are a mf-ing gutless, guilt-ridden, brainess, and as always obedient German, obviously. Man, do I hate these people.

When I was done in Holland in 1967 I was offered a temporary position in Germany. And that's before I got my immigration papers all squared away. My response to it was the shortest no I ever uttered.

BTW, it really got to me while walking in Radom back in September to see Deutsche Bank somewhere on Zeromskiego. I even took a picture to make sure I am not hallucinating. How about just Bank Niemiecki? What is next? Auschwitz Bank? Just curious, how many would deposit money in an Auschwitz Bank because it pays a percent higher interest?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,540
23 May 2018 #155
Deutsche Bank

A very poorly run bank. I have a short position in it. Their stock has been tumbling for years now and will continue to do so. DB just cant get their sh1t together for some reason.... That's their name though. They wouldn't rename 'Chase Bank' into 'Gonic Bank' just to serve the Polish market now does Credit Agricole change its name to Farming Credit for the Anglophone countries.

how many would deposit money in an Auschwitz Bank because it pays a percent higher interest?

Actually, quite a lot. Most people wouldn't think that putting their savings into tiny island country's banks would be a good idea till they realized it has double digit interest rates. I wouldn't care if a bank was called '**** You Adrian Bank' as long as it has a high interest rate and privacy.

The easiest way to raise the value of a company seems to announce that you'll be making a crypto division. A bra company said they're getting into crypto and their value increases over 50% overnight.
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #156
EU leading powers hate Poland immensely. Only lost idiots don`t see that. But lucky, lucky, lucky Poland. Oh how is Poland lucky. Lucky that Serbians strengthen and reuniting. Oh how could western Europeans f*** Poland (same as they f***** us before but won`t anymore), if there are no Serbians who reshape face of Europe.
TheOther 6 | 4,031
23 May 2018 #157
How about just Bank Niemiecki? What is next? Auschwitz Bank?

WW2 is over, in case you haven't noticed yet.
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #158
WW2 never ended. It is just one issue of older war. Just look at decline of number of Poles and Slavs in general in last 100 years (only) and you will understand.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #159
Oh how is Poland lucky. Lucky that Serbians strengthen and reuniting.

I agree. The Polish model is in my opinion unsustainable. A country cannot rely on exporting its population in the millions for a bribe. Or for a fake NATO security. I wish Poland the very best and in some way I like the idea of the US troops there. Except that the US troops are there today and maybe gone tomorrow, but Russia is going to be where it's at - as we say here - forever.

The idea that the US will go to war with Russia over Poland is beyond insane. The US lost Korea, Vietnam, and can't flush the toilet in Afghanistan and go home. We are broke and can't or won't even protect ourselves at the Mexican border. The Russia-US war will never happen no matter what Russia does to Poland because that war would have to be nuclear.

Any gesture toward Russia by Poland is in my view a good move as Russia and the Eastern Europe is the white Christians' last stand. That is why Putin vs Obama comparisons were so lopsided here in "America". FYI, Putin was a runaway winner and Obama a source of shame. What's happening today is insanity.
cms neuf - | 1,156
23 May 2018 #160
You claim ti despise commies but you praise an ex KGB man bent on reasserting Russian dominance in Eastern Europe.

This is a pattern that we see pretty often on this forum - someone turns up complaining about toilets or asking about the best recipe for Polish mushrooms and within for five days they decide to Lecture us on geopolitics with the decidedly pro Russian view.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,956
23 May 2018 #161
Spot on!
Any Pole or Slav who supports Putin or Russia is no friend of Poland.
And there are quite a few on this forum,unfortunately.
Some of them are Russian trolls,others have different agendas and a few are just deluded or misinformed.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,800
23 May 2018 #162
Any Pole or Slav who supports Putin or Russia is no friend of Poland.

Exactly.

geopolitics with the decidedly pro Russian view.

Always the same, isn't it? It's always the "respect" for Putin, even though he represents the biggest danger to Poland at the minute.
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #163
Any Pole or Slav who supports Putin or Russia is no friend of Poland.

But Putin is irrelevant. Even Russia.

You think that Serbian patriots that together with Polish patriots (right wing Catholics included), speak to Poles about Russia and Putin? You think that Misa Vacic speak to Poles of that, prior to shouting ``f*** f*** NATO pact, in the middle of Warsaw``?

Man, NATO got itself bigger problem then it is Russia. Russia can`t undermine NATO.

NATO moved against Serbians. Openly. And that what Serbians can promise to Poles, to Czechs, to Slovaks,... Russia can`t never promise. Never.

Only Racowie knows. Only Racowie feels. And Poles knows it.

We offering last stand. Last charge. Last breath for freedom. True freedom.

And Poland will be awaken. Dragon will be summoned.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #164
You claim ti despise commies but you praise an ex KGB man bent on reasserting Russian dominance in Eastern Europe.

When the Soviets put some bad s*** in Cuba in 1962, the US went nuts and was ready to go to war with them. Now, NATO, that toothless military welfare receipient still in the US pocket, rolled its hardware right up to the Russia's doorstep, meddled in Ukraine, and put sanctions on Russia for their "aggression" in Crimea. I used the quotation marks around aggression because Crimea was always part of the USSR and was given to Ukraine by Kruschev with the population nearly all Russian. With Ukraine going west, no wonder Putin wanted his Crimea back to keep that military base there.

If Kosovo can decide for itself what it wants to be, so can Crimea. There was a vote, nobody got shot, case closed.

That ex KGB man, bad Putin, is going to church to pray nowdays. I would take him over that a-hole Obama any day for his patriotism and the determination to keep Russia as well off as he can. There is a reason they love him there. BTW, what's wrong with being an ex KGB agent? Is being an ex CIA agent, yeah that CIA who lied us into a multi-trillion was in Iraq and caused so many deaths in there we don't even know the final count, any better? How many people did Putin personally shot or water boarded? What specific crimes did Putin commit?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,800
23 May 2018 #165
they decide to Lecture us on geopolitics with the decidedly pro Russian view.

And again. How curious that "Rich Mazur" would be not only praising Putin, but repeatedly insulting NATO. And of course, Iraq, the favourite topic of Putin apologists who also like to refer to Kosovo as justifying the 'referendum' in Crimea.
cms neuf - | 1,156
23 May 2018 #166
Yeah not many crimes - just killing journalists, poisoning people, invading neighbouring states, shooting down airliners, bribing officials, and stealing billions and billions of Russian taxpayers money ( the last one should concern concern you since you are a Russian taxpayer).

Given that, even Poland we would definitely rather the USA was in our coner, doesn't matter which idiot is in charge - could be Obama could be Trump, they are both better than the KGB thief in chief Putin.
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #167
If Kosovo can decide for itself what it wants to be, so can Crimea. There was a vote, nobody got shot, case closed.

Plus, there was no referendum for secession of Kosovo. Only decision of Albanian Kosovo parliament that was established after NATO came as occupational force to the region, after illegal war.

See, nothing similar between Kosovo and Crimea cases.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #168
I sincerely apologize. I stand corrected.
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #169
No problem, man. I am here to explain. Actually, probably one of reasons why owner of this web site tolerate me here is that he founded out that BBC and CNN giving him more sh** in mass media then me. I like to think that way.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #170
Yeah not many crimes - just killing journalists, poisoning people, invading neighbouring states, shooting down airliners

Now kindly tell us how many the US killed and see how THAT stacks up against what the Russia did since say 1990. Just make sure that all the casualties all listed.

And while you are at it, please indicate how far those conflicts were from both the US and Russia. You see, going 10,000 miles out of your way to claim self-defence is kind of lame, don't you think?
cms neuf - | 1,156
23 May 2018 #171
I do not know how many people are being killed in U.S.-led wars - probably quite a few. Iraq was certainly an illegal war, Afghanistan was not.

But this is not a game of pointscoring about who is more guilty out of Russia and the USA, it is about which alliance serves Polish interests the best. The choice is between a well established democracy with a msrket system that has never invaded Poland and on the other hand a corrupt decadent oligarchy ruled by a coterie of Ex intelligence officials.

I don't know why as a Polish and American citizen you are making such a huge effort to defend Russia? Could it be because actually you are a Russian? Anyway it's getting late over there - isn't it time you caught your rickety tram homw had a plate of grey mush to go with your vodka?
Crow 137 | 7,886
23 May 2018 #172
I do not know how many people are being killed in U.S.-led wars - probably quite a few.

How about genocides on entire countries by using depleted uranium in warfare and crime against people and nature in general ?

Before you answer, if ever, you should be aware that there are documents, even NATO relevant and in western European courts confirmed documents that confirms this what I just said. It is reality. Reality. Try, try to comprehend it. Genocide on entire counties. Think of it.

Somebody will pay for this. Some tax payers. You, too.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
23 May 2018 #173
I don't know why as a Polish and American citizen you are making such a huge effort to defend Russia?

Because Russia is right there under your nose and your far away Uncle Sam is not. That's why. Also, the uncle is broke and has no tools to deal with a large land army. Only from the air and with nukes. That was good in Iraq. And it's a collosal failure in Afghanistan. Almost, forgot about that a-hole Clinton bombing Belgrade and its bridges.

Poland had a mutual defense treaty with UK and France in 1939. How did that work out? You could apply the same line of reasoning to Crimea and Ukraine. Russia wanted Crimea, and for very good reasons in my opinion, so Russia got Crimea with its middle finger for all, including the US and NATO, to see. If Russia really wanted Ukraine, it could have it by the end of Sunday and the US would not absolutely nothing. And it shouldn't. Nobody here gives a rat's a** about Ukraine to die for it. Poland is no different.

What the US (NATO is a joke) should do after all that bs with the collusion investigation, is meet with Putin and ask what he really wants. If Obama, the first and the last "black" US president, was allowed to trust Iran, Trump can trust Putin a lot more because he is not a Muslim and he ain't stupid.

How about genocides on entire countries by using depleted uranium in warfare

You should also add that from the day it was created in 1776, the US was not at war only about twenty or so many years. No other country can match that shameful record.

And then there is this thing called millitary budgets with the US leading at 40% of the entire sum total of all the budgets put together. To justify all that, we are in the "mutual" defense agreements with Germany, Japan and France. What a f****** joke. Yeah, Germany, Japan or France coming to the US to defend us from China.

For the benefit of those who are far away from here, a joke: An ad: French gun for sale. Never used. Dropped once.
Tacitus 2 | 942
23 May 2018 #174
No other country can match that shameful record.

Very unlikely. All Great Powers were almost constantly at war between the 18th century and 1945 (particulary in Colonial affairs).

And Russia's track record is after 1945 not better than the US. In addition to their own military adventures, they were de facto participating in the Korean and Vietnam War. Not to mention how they waged de facto war against their Satellite States and Crushed uprisings there.
Ironside 49 | 10,038
23 May 2018 #175
WW2 is over

For Poles it end in 1989, so whoever was alive and walking before that date should be seen as the WWII veteran for the likes of you. Hope it'll settle it once and for all.
TheOther 6 | 4,031
23 May 2018 #176
whoever was alive and walking before that date should be seen as the WWII veteran

Don't be so overly dramatic, Iron. I know that most people in Poland and other countries of the Warsaw Pact arranged themselves with the political system and led a normal life just like their counterparts in the west.
Ironside 49 | 10,038
24 May 2018 #177
Don't be so overly dramatic, Iron.

I'm not dramatic. I'm only saying something which is quite simple to comprehend. Cannot be bothered to go into details as I the issue is a bit more complex. However for your benefit - a someone who grew up and lived all his life in a free society. I find it somewhat distasteful when you brush aside some WWII references made by a someone whose life experiences you cannot even imagine, let alone relate. (not talking about the Rich Troll)

I rarely talk about it as I don't want to emulate Jews and their fixations on a Holocaust. Also, the less they have to do with the real survivors the more vocal they became. Those three time removed great-cousins or even not, puffing their chest for a medal - entitled 'victims' be a proxy.

I bet real veterans would like to talk much about it, let alone claim a special status.
Never the less that is not your place to cut them short.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,506
24 May 2018 #178
they were de facto participating in the Korean and Vietnam War.

No, they were not doing any fighting and shooting during those wars. Providing ammo is not "participating" for the purpose of this discussion. Same about doing guard duty and firing a shot or two.
mafketis 21 | 7,636
24 May 2018 #179
there was no referendum for secession of Kosovo

there was no referendum (that met any kind of standards of international law or simple human decency) in Crimea. the tendency of Russia to break agreements and its unremitting hostility to those around it mean it and Poland can never be allies unless it massively changes.

Sorry Srbija no Polish-Russian alliance for you!
Crow 137 | 7,886
24 May 2018 #180
We Serbians wants normal relations between Poland and Russia. We would be satisfied with that. That securing our interests and preventing hostile non-Slavs to meddling in our business.

there was no referendum (that met any kind of standards of international law or simple human decency) in Crimea.

There was referendum. In conditions of violated (by NATO and EU) international order that previously occurred on Kosovo, in entire former Yugoslavia and on many other meridians, I am quite satisfied with level of democracy expressed on Crimean referendum.


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