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Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland?


Crow 137 | 7,756
1 Aug 2017 #121
Accept another million. Maybe then EU manage to notice.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
2 Aug 2017 #122
@Crow

Doubt it. Eu doesn't care about Poland or the East unless there's some sort of political pushback. We've become basically a vassal state and buffer zone for the wealthier West. Sad, but why sugar coat it?
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,034
2 Aug 2017 #123
2 Algerian males detained in Gdynia. They're charged for molesting a 14 years old Polish girl.

Yes Makrela!!! We need more of those in Poland!!!

dziennikbaltycki.pl/wiadomosci/gdynia/a/dwoch-algierczykow-podejrzanych-o-molestowanie-dziewczynki-na-boisku-w-gdyni,12327832
Ironside 48 | 9,910
2 Aug 2017 #124
They're charged for molesting a 14 years old Polish girl.

Different culture that doesn't have all those little do and don't that are obvious for anyone in the European civilization. That had been created by the thousand of years of the chritanian culture.

Do you really want them in Europe or anywhere outside their natural habitat?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
2 Aug 2017 #125
Jesus Christ....

You'd think with the European emphasis on women's rights and encouragement to join the workforce, be educated, independent, etc that alone wouldn't mesh well. Let alone other things like gay rights or laws on inciting hatred. Yet these migrants appear to be protected from higher on up and tend to only be prosecuted when they really cross the line I.e

That choudry character from england
Sparks11 - | 335
2 Aug 2017 #126
not quite a million... kamilkaminski.natemat.pl/168799,polska-przyjela-okolo-miliona-uchodzcow-z-ukrainy
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
2 Aug 2017 #127
Over 1 million (I believe 1.5 was most recent number I read) work permits were issued to Ukrainians

1.3mln in 2016 according to this financial times article

ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
Sparks11 - | 335
2 Aug 2017 #128
there are more here, theyre just not refugees as the original post claims. just workers, seasonal or otherwise, many go back and forth.
Ironside 48 | 9,910
2 Aug 2017 #129
theyre just not refugees

Really? Why? Just Because they don't have official status?
Sparks11 - | 335
2 Aug 2017 #130
refugee

rɛfjʊˈdʒiː/

noun

a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, natural disaster

not when theyre coming to pick apples.
Ironside 48 | 9,910
2 Aug 2017 #131
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war,

So according to you they're playing chees in the Donbas region? If that is not a war what is?

not when theyre coming to pick apples.@ Sparks11

Is a refugee forbidden to pick apples? Cannot they work for living? I think you might confuse them with wealthfare seekers.
Sparks11 - | 335
2 Aug 2017 #132
they can come, as they have for years. being an immigrant and a refugee are two different things. bombs arent exactly falling on kiev. people still go there for vacation.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
2 Aug 2017 #133
No one said they're refugees. And even if the specific word refugees were to be used wed still meet our obligations. There's around 6k Ukrainian refugees. Add that to the georgians, chechens, and few Iraqi families and were already right around the 7k mark the eu pushed on us anyway.

Exactly. The Ukrainians are workers. They're not welfare leeches who ignite entire neighborhoods murder children and cause a state of emergency like in france. The ones in the east mainly went to west Ukraine to escape the violence. Yes some people from the east did go to poland - these are the refugees fleeing bombs- we took in 6k from just that one group alone... Plus over 1 mil economic migra ts.. No matter how you look at it we've met our goal of solidarity.

Notice the language has changed from the eu lambasting Poland for not taking in migrants as opposed to refugees. Everyone knows the vast majority of the people who came from Africa and the middle east are not refugees but rather economic migrants. That's why now the term migrant has been used interchangeably with refugee and also as an all encompassing term.
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,034
2 Aug 2017 #134
Seems the most important things to do to be considered a refugee is to come from a region that is important to EU beaurocrats/elites so they will officially call you a war escapee and then not working just sucking on benefits.

Ukrainians aren't important so they're being called migrants even if bombs or tank shells drop on their heads. Although I am patriotic and strongly nationalistic (do not confuse nationalism with nazism. Only enemies of your country tell you the two are same thing) I am really sad when I hear stories from many Ukrainians I got to know closer.
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,034
4 Aug 2017 #136
@kondzior
We are basically lonely in freedom of speech. Rest of the West is gagged up by PC. Soon if an islamist kills your family you'll get prosecuted for calling him a murderer.

Radical Muslim: Muslim who wants to cut your head off.
Normal Muslim: Muslim who wants the radical muslim to cut your head off.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
4 Aug 2017 #137
@kondzior

Finally reporting which isn't sugar coating the problems of radical Islam in Europe and around the world. These people spit on your free speech, lgbt rights, women's rights and all the other things which have made European society progressive. They take advantage of your naivety and generosity. You think you can change the attitude of these people but you can't. Yes there are worldly sophisticated and educated Muslims who understand and respect European traditions and values but the vast majority of these new comers clearly arent in that category. These people don't want democracy and equality they want sharia, segregation of men and women in society, and for Europe to become a land of Islamic tradition and culture.

The sad thing is when Islam first began it the Muslim world was considered to be the most progressive and scientifically advanced land in the world. Christian Jewish and Muslim scholars studied and researched together. From this came many Arabic words in English like algebra and alchemy. In fact am Arab I believe named moates came up with the foundations of the scientific method around this time. These people were ahead of Europeans in terms of knowledge and technology. WTF HAPPENED?!?! Its like instead of advancing science, architecture and all these other disciplines including human rights they did a 180. In the Koran it stated to treat people of the book as equals meaning christians and Jews. Why do they ignore these passages? Not only that they kill and murder other Muslims. Try being a metal guitarist or a satirist in Egypt... Good luck
SigSauer 4 | 413
24 Oct 2017 #138
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@Lyzko

Right, I don't disagree with your point on that one. I would however like to hear your opinion on my aforementioned points, specifically regarding the disparity in violence between 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees and 1 million Syrian refugees. Why is there not an epidemic of rape and sexual assault across Poland right now?
Tacitus 2 | 889
25 Oct 2017 #139
You are trying to point out a mere technicality in the number of processed and approved asylum applications.

So Poland managed to process only 6000 applications in 3 years? No,the rest are simply not refugees, but economic migrants. Which is fine, because they are tremendously helpful to the Polish economy, but they are a dishonest argument in the refugee dispute.

think that countries who voted for an ECONOMIC UNION,

The EU has always been more than an Economic Union, even from its' very origin. This argument is already ridiculous for those who favoured for Brexit, and it is especially ridiculous for the countries who joined the EU in the 2000s.

I will have to laugh at the idea that Poland's previous government made that deal, so of course the new one has to honor it

This is how the EU works. It could not function otherwise.

two of the biggest powers in the world do not honor their agreements,

Firstly, Poland is no superpower and thus is not above consequences. Secondly, this example is completely irrelevant for the topic at hand.
The EU was founded precisely on the idea to avert this. The EU works on the principle that all countries work together and try to reach a consensus on decisions, on mutual trust. Sure some countries have more influence than others, but it rarely happens that countries get completely outvoted, and this is usually because those countries refuse to alter their position even a little.

I just hope that the Polish people remember this when the consequences of this become clear. I have recently read a few articles about how Southern Europe wants to retaliate. Curbing the structural funds and instead redirecting them for dealing with the refugees in the future is almost guaranteed to happen, once the countries start negotiating in 2019. But apparantly Italy and Greece have also decided to use their influence in Nato for advocating a reapproachment in Russia, and the Italian government has secretly stated that it would veto any further Nato troops in Europe because of this.
SigSauer 4 | 413
25 Oct 2017 #140
@Tacitus

You don't actually believe that out of 1 million Ukrainians in Poland, there are only legitimately 6,000 refugees. I don't think you're serious, I really just think you're pointing out this number to serve your agenda of forcing 7th century savages and barbarians onto Poland, so they share in the misery and degradation thats happened in the UK, France, Germany, and Belgium. Any Ukrainians currently in Poland who are from Luhansk or Donetsk oblasts in Ukraine, that left after 2014 are in fact refugees. Whether they have applied for asylum or not is a simple administrative matter, but they can rightly claim refugee status. So while all 1 million of them may not in fact be refugees, and a large portion may be economic refugees, the number of those who we would consider refugees according to U.N. standards is far greater than 6,000.

To address your second point. What you're suggesting is that Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic suffer an immense burden because one president, in one member state (Germany), acted unilaterally to set EU immigration policy by telling millions of barbarians to flood into the union. Had the European Union met during this massive migration and reached a deal, maybe you'd have an argument, but as it stands, Germany acted alone and caused this crisis, and now they are asking the rest of the member states to suffer for their F-up.
Zarastro
25 Oct 2017 #141
You don't actually believe that out of 1 million Ukrainians in Poland, there are only legitimately 6,000 refugees.

According to official Polish governmental sources, it seems that way. Even if there were more, Poland doesn't recognize and provide for them. The rest are are no more refugees than Polish migrants who are working in Germany.

are in fact refugees

They are not refugees if they have not applied for protection in Poland. They are economic migrants, which again is good for Poland, but no argument in the refugee dispute.

millions of barbarians

We are still talking about people here, have some respect please.

Germany acted alone and caused this crisis,

Germany did not cause the crisis. The crisis was already unfolding for months when Merkel acted, with the Southern European countries futily asking for help. We know by now that Merkel had been secretly informed by several countries on the Balkan route that their adminastrations were in danger of being overwhelmed by the number of arrivals, and that many observers feared that if Austria were to close the route, the number of refugees left in the Balkans could destabilize the entire region. It was obvious in August 2015 that something needed to be done soon to help those countries, and this is what Merkel did. Like with the Ukraine Crisis, she sacrificed German economic interest for the sake of the EU and Europe.

and reached a deal,

You mean a deal like the one Poland refuses to honor, even though it only applies to a small number of refugees. A reasonable deal would have had to be brokered and implemented within weeks and affect at the very least 500.000 refugees, nothing of this is remotely realistic.

Poland has made its' decision and will live with the consequences. That is fine with me. I just hope there won't be any talk of "Western betrayal" once the political and financial fallout becomes clear, or at the very least the Polish people should be smart enough to understand why such accusations would be unfounded.

Amusingly, this might be beneficial to Germany, since it is no longer the boogeyman in Southern Europe because of the refugee crisis. It looks e.g. like Italy has now dropped its' resistance against the North Stream 2 pipeline out of gratitude for German help during the refugee crisis.
Tacitus 2 | 889
25 Oct 2017 #142
@Zarastro

This was actually written by me on a wrong Nickname.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,802
22 May 2018 #143
Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland?

Because Poland accepted wrong refugees. The only refugees that are good refugees are those who (1) are Muslims, (2) never want to assimilate, (3) hate work, (4) like praying all day long, (5) see the host country's women as made for their sexual gratification, and (6) lowers the refugee sewer level in Germany.

That's why.

I have been wondering why I so adore PiS. Now that I wrote the above I know why. This and the abortion laws in Poland.
Crow 137 | 7,756
22 May 2018 #144
Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland?

Why?

Simple answer. EU leading powers from western Europe wants to bring Poland to ruination. To do so they preparing ground in advance by portrait Poland as evil and bad in mass media.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,802
22 May 2018 #145
Simple answer. EU leading powers from western Europe wants to bring Poland to ruination.

This may be true but why would they want to do it? I really don't know.
Crow 137 | 7,756
22 May 2018 #146
Why would they do that?

They want to prevent Poland to escape to them. For various reasons. Firstly, they need Poles, as they need their own population, for sedimentation of blood due to heavy mixing with non-whites. Plus, they need Poles to work for them. Then, when there is no Poles, there would be Poland`s territories, they count.

How many ethnic Poles in Poland? Less then 37 millions, is it? And still dropping? See? Same is in entire Eastern Europe. We are slaves. We are objects of lies and propaganda, treachery, extermination with depleted uranium and worse, second rate food and medications.

When you see that some future Prince Harry marry some Polish girl you would know- that`s it- time has come for Poles to be attached to the crown. With smile and kisses, behind back, Poles would get penis.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,802
22 May 2018 #147
Let's get the terminology right first before we start having a debate :)

The problem is that the term "refugee" aquired a new meaning. A refugee, typically a woman with kids, used to be a person who needed a safe place while her homeland was on fire. Once the fire was out, refugees were expected to go back home. Not any more. Like herpies, refugees are forever. It's like a guest that never leaves after the party is over.

Another problem is that if a refugee leaves a shi--- like Guatemala because he was "scared for his life", which, of course, is a damn lie, and is now in Mexico, he is safe. Yet, the scum quickly morphs into an undocumented immigrant looking for better life in "america" and the dumb US falls for this crap as it must because the US has no border, only some funny guys called CBP that merely register said immigrants and turn them loose but can't stop them the Israeli style.
mafketis 21 | 7,475
23 May 2018 #148
Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees.

They're not refugees in any real sense, their whole purpose is to work for less than Poles want to. The Captial Class often uses migrants to keep wages down because everything in the universe has to be decided by the market... except for wages.
cms neuf - | 1,024
23 May 2018 #149
But Maf wages have increased dramatically in Poland in the period which coincides with the Ukrainian migration, some of that is due to the government raising the minimum wage, but a lot of it is to do with genuine market forces support only about 5% of the workforce on the minimum wage anyway.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,270
23 May 2018 #150
Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees.

Try reading 141 above again. They are economic migrants, as said, exactly the same as Polish migrants in Germany throughout the 20th century. Now kindly stop talking through your brainwashed backside.


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