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Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland?

rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
9 Jul 2017 #31
Will the frogs never learn?

well maybe those years of worldwide colonialism, rape and pillage and quasi apartheid has come back to bite them on the bum. Frankly I find it hard to find any sympathy for them.
Polonius3 994 | 12,380
9 Jul 2017 #32
sympathy for them

That IS an argument. So maybe only former colonial nations should be forced to accept refugees and migrants. Poland has done more than its share with Chechens, Vietnamese and Ukrainians. BTW I hope you empathised with that poor beleaguered Polish couple.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
9 Jul 2017 #33
So maybe only former colonial nations should be forced to accept refugees and migrants.

yes that's possible. So, France,UK, Spain, and Germany. I discount Italy as they have enough problems already.
The poor Polish couple? unfortunate but they survived.
Polonius3 994 | 12,380
9 Jul 2017 #34
they survived

Thanks to what President Trump has called "Poland's courage, spirit and will to survive!"
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
9 Jul 2017 #35
no Polly,thanks to nothing that bad happening. Good grief, get a grip, will you?
Polonius3 994 | 12,380
9 Jul 2017 #36
constantly beat their breasts and apologise for being white

I can understand the post-colonial guilt feelings of some European elites, and Germany's Merkel is still trying to live down the Hitler legacy. But declared homos defending the Muslim intruders when sexual deviates would be at the head of the decapitation queue if Shariah law ever took hold. That made no sense whatsoever.

Unless one looks at the Frankfurt School, a group of Jewish scholars that fled Germany in the 1930s in the nick of time and emigrated to the USA, mainly California. One of their notions was that minorities are always right and must be defended, whilst majorities are quite the opposite and must be opposed. As European intellectuals, they easily slipped into American academia where they and their ilk have ruled the roost for decades, indoctrinating students to hate patriotism and their cultural heritage. To that general Zeitgeist one can trace rock'n'roll, the civil rights and anti-war movements, homo-promotion, feminism, political correctness and the overall counterculture that started in the 1960s. Those and similar developments have brought about what is often referred to as "the decline of Western culture" or "the decay of Western civilisation". Fortunately, there are now increasing indications that the many-decades-long stranglehold of what has been called "cultural marxism" is now in decline. Brexit, Trump, Kaczyński, Orbán and patriotic revivals in France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Denmark and other countries, the growing number of young people interested in their nation's history, heritage, historical re-enactments and military reserve units, "Żołnierze Wyklęci" and the AK's Polska Walcząca anchor symbol on T-shirts instead of Hendrix and Che Guevara - all seem to be pointing in that direction.
Polonius3 994 | 12,380
9 Jul 2017 #37
Italy as they have enough problems

Indeed, they have paid for their colonial-era sins. Actually it should be England, France, Spain adn Portugal as the biggest colonial offenders that should accept the Muslim hordes and pay the price. Germany only had a West African colony, but maybe the bloodbath of the Hitler era should be tacked on to theri guilt burden.
mafketis 36 | 10,859
9 Jul 2017 #38
Indeed, they have paid for their colonial-era sins. Actually it should be England, France, Spain adn Portugal as the biggest colonial offenders

Belgium was easily the most brutal colonial power. The Netherlands were not terrible overall but had their moments in Indonesia...

And Germany and Italy were also colonial powers in Africa.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
9 Jul 2017 #39
oh yes Belgium and the Netherlands, I quite forgot. King Leopold has a lot to answer for doesnt he?
Maybe everyone from West Africa should do there. Vile place. And as for the Dutch ? they are so up themselves about how lovely and liberal they are, that they have forgotten their violent past.
Polonius3 994 | 12,380
9 Jul 2017 #40
Belgium and the Netherlands

Yes, indeed, I overlooked those. Italy, yes, but we should let them off the hook as they have already for their colonail sins just by having those Muslim hordes on their territory.
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
10 Jul 2017 #41
Muslim horde

We are talking about civilians here, not foreign soldiers who ride in on their horses and plan to burn down your houses. Even subscribe to the idea that there is a higher number of potential criminals among them than usual, most of them are never going to commit any crimes, verbally dehumanizing them to such an extent is uncalled for.
mafketis 36 | 10,859
10 Jul 2017 #42
And underestimating the threat is just as uncalled for. Almost none of them have any real education or employable skills and they have not improved a single location where they've been placed.

What's basically going on in the mediterranean is a murky mix of ngos and human smugglers working together (along with some Eruopean governments) to ship warm bodies to Europe in exchange for European taxpayer money. It's profiteering off of ignrorance and anyone who doesn't want to take immediate steps to stop has no moral highground to preach from.
10 Jul 2017 #43
Tacitus : the culture of islam is dangerous for the survival of Europeans Western nations.
I believe this religion create conflict within ex colon nations like France, UK,Italy,Spain, etc..
Turkey once was empire who colonized Most of North Africa. Yeat they do not suffer mass immigration. Why ? It is unfair.

North Africa used to be christians. It was colonized by arabs and they impose with blood their religion.
It will happen the same to submissive nations like France/UK. There will be blood !

Next when on the West of Poland they will be and islamic empire, Poland will be in danger.
jon357 74 | 21,935
10 Jul 2017 #44
We are talking about civilians here, not foreign soldiers who ride in on their horses and plan to burn down your houses

Exactly. Normal people. The only thing that radicalises some of the ones on the fringe is hatred from bigots and malign influence from conservatives.
mafketis 36 | 10,859
11 Jul 2017 #45
Nope, the profile is clear. They blow off education in favor of drugs and partying and idle hopes of becoming a gangster (respect for secular education is low among muslim communities in Europe so the paretns don't mind them blowing off school) then become disillusioned with their choices, get back to religion (which they'd previously ignored) in a search for meaning and fall prey to radical imams. The radicalization is the result of their own, earlier poor life choices.

Liberals who are in favor of multiculturalism (or give lip service to same) don't care, as long as they can brag about how tolerant they are the human toll of immigrant failure doesn't really bother them (if anything they're glad as it's less competition for the dwindling number of jobs....).
Sparks11 - | 334
11 Jul 2017 #46
agree with maf. it's not bigots radicalizing them but in the stuff i read joblessness comes up time and again. the supply of meaningful and decently paid work is dwindling everywhere. white folk are feeling it as well. how does any politician plan too support millions of outsiders too?
jon357 74 | 21,935
11 Jul 2017 #47
They blow off education in favor of drugs and partying and idle hopes of becoming a gangster

That's quite a generalisation...
johnny reb 47 | 7,055
11 Jul 2017 #48
The Polish people have spoken.
Last week, Breitbart London reported a study which found most Poles said they would rather leave the EU than have Brussels force migrants from third world nations on their country.

Conducted by pollster IBRiS, the survey found that 57 per cent of respondents would be willing to forego EU development funds if it meant Poland retains sovereignty on the issue of accepting migrants from outside Europe.

Even when the PO tried to undermine the PiS decision and make several cities in Poland sanctuary cities for Muslim immirants it was stifled.
So I guess the otherwise propaganda that the Commie ex-pats living in Poland is just that in order to destroy Poland's culture.
Keep Poland Polish !
jon357 74 | 21,935
11 Jul 2017 #49

Fake news, normalising hatred
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
11 Jul 2017 #50
Hell yeah that's what I'm talking about.

Not true many are radicalized well before they come here of after going to Syria to wage jihad and doing the same in Europe.

Joblessness lol? These people don't want to work! Proof of that lies with the fact that most the migrants that were resettled into poland and czechy instead of working fled to Germany because of the welfare.

Poland never had colonies in Africa and Asia. We didn't invite them over to Europe. No one wanted to help Italy and Greece so the Italians and Greeks washed their hands of the problem and let them go north since most didn't want to stay in germany.

Either way this doesn't concern us. We've accepted more than our fair share already.

Fort Poland!!!
jon357 74 | 21,935
11 Jul 2017 #51
Very few are radicalised at all.

because of the welfare.

With Poland, as the economy develops, things will be more attractive and people will come that way, as they do now.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
11 Jul 2017 #52
Hahaha very few are radicalized? That must be the joke of the day...

Oh because all these people look so civil and calm... Not radical at all..
Notice the guy saying let Allah make orphans of their children and all the other migrants chanting Allah albar...and this is in france! You know that country that use to be amazing and very pretty but is now dangerous crime ridden and has trash all over the street and hundreds of muslim ghettos... Or atleastt that's how Frances capital is

Scary that there's millions of people in Europe like this.

66% of poles view Muslims unfavorably - that's reason enough to not have a massive amount of muslim migrants in poland. The majority has decided.

86% of Muslims in Niger want sharia law..
84% of Muslims in Pakistan want sharia law
99% of Muslims in Afghanistan want sharia law...

Last time i checked sharia law calls for amputation for theft, stoning for adultery, ban on alcohol... Pretty radical and incompatible with our culture if you ask me.

These are the countries where these migrants come from... They want sharia law in their countries and now even in the UK Belgium Germany many of them march chanting UK go to hell with signs that say we want sharia... They've already been establishing sharia courts. I mean how crazy is that you go to a country and you don't like their courts so you establish your own. Utter lunacy.

And yet these western Europeans are so blind and let them in despite the terrorist attacks the sexual assaults the rapes the crimes the Muslim riots the 2 years of state of emergency in France..

Forget it not gonna happen in poland. We celebrate the battle of Vienna and the defeat of spreading Islam forcefully further north and will sooner pay fines and even separate from eu than become like France or Germany.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
11 Jul 2017 #53

So why then did a million ukranians come to poland to work? Yet the Muslims that came didn't work and left to go to Germany for the welfare. So ukranians can work and make a life for themselves but others can't?

Muslims already had a goal in mind - welfare and the more the better. Working was not their goal that's why they left. On the other hand ukranians came for the purpose of working.

That's the difference between ukranians and Muslims. Also ukranians don't blow stuff up shoot at children at concerts drive ppl over with cars rape women or cause years of state of emergency
Bobko 25 | 2,002
11 Jul 2017 #54
I think there's a few recent threads on Ukraine now that could be merged for simplicity. At least this one and the one concerned with the future of Polono-Ukrainian relations. Mods?
jon357 74 | 21,935
11 Jul 2017 #55
come to poland to work?

You'd be surprised how many are not working.

Working was not their goal that's why they left.

Most want to work
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
11 Jul 2017 #56

Literally every single ukranian in poland I met was employed just in low wage jobs. Also the ones not working tend to look for work as one can't survive on Poland's welfare and rightfully so. They'll give you enough for food so you don't starve but that's it. Unlike Germany which seems to reward unemployment of at least allows far too many people to take advantage of it.

If working was their goal than why did the Muslims from both pl and czechy specifically leave for germany which is known to have the most generous welfare program? No ones stupid about their true intentions. Czechy has far higher wages than Poland yet the Muslims left from their too. If they wanted to work they would have stayed and not gone specifically to the one European country known for generous welfare for migrants.
jgrabner 1 | 73
11 Jul 2017 #57
I can understand the post-colonial guilt feelings of some European elites

I don't. Japan also had a vast colonial where they ruled with an iron fist. They were humiliated to a greater extent than Germany in 1945 yet there is not a hint of any guilt in Japanese society. It is common understanding in Japan they their culture is unique and has to be preserved, they do let invader.. erm., asylum seekers only in minuscule amounts into the country (number of asylum grants in 2016: 28. no, that is not 28 thousand, that is twenty-eight: The Japanese do something differently or are wired differently, I do not know.

On the other side, this autogenocidal cancer of opening all borders has even affected peoples who have already been victims of conquests themselves like the Poles or - most suprisingly for me - the Estonians, who themselves were driven close to extinction only one generation ago. Yet they also voted in the EU to receive muslim invad.., erm., "migrants". Just baffling.
Erykm - | 3
11 Jul 2017 #58
The biggest part of migrants is just looking for social and financial benefits. There are a lot of pictures of them, but just a few with faces that show their war sufferings. Rich Arab countries like Saudi Arabia also have migrants - the working ones who support their families by sending money - and these countries will never accept the parasites we have in Europe.

Accepting migrants from Ukraine will be always a great mistake because in Poland (in Europe as well) we have nothing in common with the Ukrainians. There are no war refugees from Ukraine - just illegal work immigration that leaves people in Poland and Europe without jobs.

Some believe Ukraine will integrate and become a part of Europe, but I tell you it shouldn't happen because the Ukrainians have a different set of mind and absolute hate when the things turn the way they don't like.

Poland is Europe's frontier that restrains Ukraine and the only way Ukraine can become a part of Europe lies in creation of a unifying factor that will help to turn Ukraine into something that is worth to be integrated. Religion maybe the key and Poland is ready to participate considering the current attempts to switch Ukraine from the Eastern Orthodox to the Roman Catholic which is now just 1% or less in Ukraine.

delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
11 Jul 2017 #59
Oh look, another Russian troll trying to divide Poland and Ukraine.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
11 Jul 2017 #60

Most of the jobs the ukranians take are ones poles don't care much for or the types of jobs low skill poles have taken abroad for better wages. The average polish engineer doctor lawyer cop machinist etc isn't too worried about a ukranian taking his or her job or even driving down wages for that type of work. However the low skill pole who works as a cleaning lady nanny construction laborer may feel threatened esp if they are still working in poland and haven't yet left to work such a job for a higher wage in the UK US etc. In my city many ukranians work on job sites as low skill laborers but this ultimately helps drive down costs for polish developers contractors etc who in turn can now make more profit when they sell or lease an office building, condo, warehouse etc.

This was a similar argument Americans made when Mexicans and Guatemalans were pouring over the border in droves. Omg there gonna take our jobs! Yeah if your a low wage landscaper agricultural worker etc perhaps.. Or you'll just have to not be lazy and become more competitive to not lose business. But if you're a farm owner or perhaps own a landscaping business or other type of business that employs low wage low skill workers you'd be jumping for joy.

If your statement were true then no American programmer could ever demand a 6 figure salary due to all the s. Asians that have flooded the market and are use to getting paid 10k a year back home. It all balances out though.

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