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Abortion still under control in Poland


pawian 222 | 23,764
26 Oct 2023 #2,821
So how many Polish women committed suicide

There is no such statistics research in Poland yet.

When you commit a suicide one day, will we learn what goaded you into it if by chance you forget to leave a farewell letter???

This rhetorical question means: stop azholing and asking silly questions.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,822
I did some digging and found this:

Abortion Dream Team

Poland has some of Europe's strictest abortion laws, with only around 2000 legal abortions carried out each year. Under such intense stigma, Abortion Dream Team wants to normalise abortions: providing information and advice to women in need on how to take abortion pills, or access abortions abroad, in both workshops and online.


Finally, I found out that all Polish women want is information and advice. I don't see any problem with that...I am so relieved.
Joker 2 | 2,598
27 Oct 2023 #2,823
Poland has some of Europe's strictest abortion laws

And they refuse to take in muzzie migrants as well:)
Alien 18 | 4,845
27 Oct 2023 #2,824
What does this have to do with abortion?
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,825
Finally, I found out that all Polish women want is information and advice.

I've already shown you what majority of Polish women want first and foremost - less strict abortion law.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,826
less strict abortion law.

So that's the answer to my question how Polish abortion law should be changed? Less strict? What kind of crap answer is that?
Ladies and gentlemen, today we will vote on a bill dealing with abortions:

Abortions shall be less strict.

Please proceed.
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,827
So that's the answer to my question how Polish abortion law should be changed?

No, I've already answered that question of yours here ("what Polish women want" and Poles in general):

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-abortion-control-62528/94/#msg1934801

...and what I personally think:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-abortion-control-62528/94/#msg1934808

You seemed to register my answer yesterday, but for some strange reason you've forgotten it today already? lol What is wrong with you, Novichok?? Amnesia? Dementia? Are you going through your very own "Groundhog Day" over and over again? ;D

ohdear

😂

Why should I bother since soon you will ask the same question, saying how nobody can answer it and blah, blah, blah?

It looks like Lenka was right (what a "shocker"! lol) :)
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,828
No, I've already answered that question of yours here (what Polish women want):

And I already read it. Total bs. I want to see the final bill women want passed. Just because 57% want 12 weeks is irrelevant. There is always a well-organized and funded extreme segment that wants and often gets a lot more - if not now, later... The trick is to get the process of "liberalization" going...

Another point abortion feminazis never address:

Would more abortions be good for Poland?

It's been a disaster for the US. To a typical feminazi, a woman's happiness is by definition good for the tribe. That's how stupid women are. All me-me. They don't even know how to spell sustainability. Who gives a fvck about the tribe...My boyfriend left me pregnant...boo hoo...I want an abortion...boo hoo...Fvck the tribe...

Should there be a limit on the number of abortions a year or is 100% OK?
Feniks
27 Oct 2023 #2,829
for some strange reason you've forgotten it today already?

He hasn't forgotten, he's just looking to have the same old argument over and over. He does the same thing with Atch too and when he runs out of arguments and is proved wrong he starts being rude or ignoring important points that someone has made. Responding to him is a complete waste of your time.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,830
Responding to him is a complete waste of your time.

I want the final bill, not wishes. Starting slow is a known trick.

While we are waiting for the vote in Sejm, why don't you write one? It should be one paragraph so you have time...
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,831
And I already read it. Total bs.

You didn't call it "bs" yesterday. This is what you wrote:

"12 weeks seems reasonable and matches the French law, as far as I know.
There, the case is closed"

if not now, later...

Well, sorry, but we don't have a crystal ball and we can't predict what Polish society will be like in 50 or 100 years and what will the views and abortion law be like then.

You were asking what Polish women want now and you got an answer.

I want the final bill, not wishes.

The final bill will be most likely the result of a compromise between the three parties making up the current opposition coalition. Unless they make a referendum.
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,832
Just because 57% want 12 weeks is irrelevant.

I want the final bill, not wishes.

You're such a liar. You keep "changing your mind" about what you want - when you get an answer to your question you claim that this is not what you wanted and claim that noone answers your question.

You clearly asked yesterday that you want to know what majority of Polish women want NOW:

I would like to know what changes Polish women want.

Today. Nowadays. The majority.

So you asked what Polish women's "wishes" are nowadays and you got an answer. Now kindly f*ck off.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,833
You clearly asked yesterday that you want to know what majority of Polish women want NOW:

Today, I am asking the next question: How does the majority view translate into a bill you want passed? Duh!
This stops all the vague bullsh*it. So how about it?

What should the abortion bill say for you and the Polish feminazis to STFU for a while?
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,834
What should the abortion bill say for you

I already wrote that for me going back to the previous law (the so called "kompromis aborcyjny" from 1993) would be enough. Here you have the text of the bill (the first pdf file "Tekst ogłoszony"):

isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/DocDetails.xsp?id=wdu19930170078

the Polish feminazis to STFU for a while?

I am not a "Polish feminazi" so I can't speak for them. Why don't you go and ask them.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,835
I am interested in Poland, not Paulinaland.

One more time:

What should the abortion law say for the "pro-choice" demonstrations to stop?

You are there so you should know since that question was asked by reporters many times in the past.

My question is legit. We have gone that gradual route to hell with the perverts - from tolerance to "trans" a-holes with dicks taking showers with teenage girls in high schools.
Lenka 5 | 3,403
27 Oct 2023 #2,836
What should the abortion law say for the "pro-choice" demonstrations to stop?

The demonstration weren't there or were marginal in the times when the law was exactly what Paulina said.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,837
Irrelevant. People don't organize demos until they reach the boiling point. Many have opinions but will not hit the streets.
There has to be an organization in Poland that is doing all the pushing for "liberalized" abortions. Who are they and what do they want?
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,838
I am interested in Poland, not Paulinaland.

You asked in your previous comment: "What should the abortion bill say for you". So, what the hell that "you" means in Novichokland this time??

What should the abortion law say for the "pro-choice" demonstrations to stop?

Whose demonstrations? I don't know who exactly took part in those mass demonstrations - I'm guessing that there was a mix of people with different views simply united against the current law made by PiS. So, it's possible that something that may satisfy the majority of those protesters, won't satisfy a more radical minority that will be still doing some smaller protests even if a somewhat less strict law will be passed.

The demonstration weren't there or were marginal in the times when the law was exactly what Paulina said.

Yup.
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,839
Irrelevant. People don't organize demos until they reach the boiling point.

How is that "irrelevant"? People reached a boiling point because PiS changed the abortion law despite the fact that all the polls were showing that majority of Poles don't want this law to be changed. So people got angry.
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,840
Can somebody here say what your number one women's org wants NOW?

Also, how more abortions would benefit Poland?
mafketis 36 | 10,858
27 Oct 2023 #2,841
People don't organize demos until they reach the boiling point.

Not everybody's as passive and apathetic as you are, you know...
Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,842
Go away. You are too stupid to talk to.
Lenka 5 | 3,403
27 Oct 2023 #2,843
Novi: what do you think.
You: x
Novi: I didn't mean you, I meant the group f.
You: Majority of f thinks that.
Novi: irrelevant, what change has to happen for them not to protest.
You: z
Novi: Irrelevant, what does some organisation want?
And on and on and on
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,844
@Lenka, spot on - that's discussing with Novichok in a nutshell lol

Can somebody here say what your number one women's org wants NOW?

You won't get any more answers until you answer mine first:

So, what the hell that "you" means in Novichokland this time??

Whose demonstrations?

Novichok 5 | 7,848
27 Oct 2023 #2,845
How more abortions would benefit Poland?
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,846
@Novichok:

You won't get any more answers until you answer mine first

fuckyouasshole
pawian 222 | 23,764
27 Oct 2023 #2,847
How more abortions would benefit Poland?

In a very simple way. Women refuse to get pregnant in PiS land coz they know they won`t have an option of avoiding defected pregnancy.

Did you hear that the current birth rate dropped by 30% under PIS??? It is a demographic disaster. Rightist gangsters caused it with their autocratic agenda.

Luckily, they will go to hell soon.
Korvinus 2 | 457
27 Oct 2023 #2,848
Women refuse to get pregnant in PiS land coz they know they won`t have an option of avoiding defected pregnancy.

Were they even aware that abortions are dangerous procedures, even more dangerous than pregnancies?
What even was the percentage of pregnancies that needed scrubbing with the old rules? It's a tiny fuc*king number. Holes are making some sh*it excuses. Also reminder that fertility rate pre-modernity was much higher and yet the pregnancies were actually dangerous which strengthens my point about excuses. Unless vaxx changed it but I bet you'll be very dismissive about this idea. Rise above listening to femoids.
pawian 222 | 23,764
27 Oct 2023 #2,849
Were they even aware that abortions are dangerous procedures,

Giving birth to a terminally defected fetus is even more dangerous in Poland now - doctors wait till the fetus dies inside a woman and only then they start treatment but it is too late.

That quote above is everything what I understood from your post. The rest is a mystery to me. E.g. ,what do you mean by : Holes are making some sh*it excuses. Do you play Iron now or what??

What is vaxx ????
Paulina 16 | 4,211
27 Oct 2023 #2,850
Were they even aware that abortions are dangerous procedures, even more dangerous than pregnancies?

What on Earth are you talking about? I've never heard about a woman dying from a legal abortion in modern Poland, but I've heard about pregnant women dying in hospitals, because their pregnancy wasn't aborted in time to save their lives.

And do you think women who are going to get an abortion won't be researching all the possible side effects before making the decision? We're not retarded, you know o_O

Holes

Excuse me..???

that fertility rate pre-modernity was much higher and yet the pregnancies were actually dangerous which strengthens my point about excuses

It didn't cross your mind that in the past there was no such successful contraception as we have nowadays and so women simply had no choice but to get pregnant? Now we do have a choice - we can have sex with our partner or husband and not get pregnant.


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