Abortion still under control in Poland

Prove what?

It doesn`t hold water, darling. A pro-abortion doctor delayed the abortion???


Jon`s request wasn`t to you. Try to be more attentive.

Wake up darling. He didn't delay no abortion. He runs a hospital that is highly inefficient. We were debating a state of a mind of the doctors. WE learned that he is a left wing pro-abortion guy. If it was an error if it was a neglect if it was stupidity - we know the reason for it now.

You claimed that.

Not quite the same.

I learned that and I have no reson to doubt the source. You can do your own reserch or you can belive me or you can not belive me. It is your choice.

There is not reson for you to haras me by implying that I made it all up every time I post about it.
I get it you as a fellow left wing do not like to see your idological bud exposed. Yet you should limit your aggresion. Only Tusk has no limits.

Yet you've provided no evidence in your quest to blame the doctors.


The only aggression we se is from you.

Yours is worse and based on avoiding answers to simple questions. That's what leftists do all the time and then demand "proof", followed by impeaching the source and never saying which source would be acceptable at the risk that even that source would expose leftist lies.

A link would be helpful.

Otherwise it's just made up.

I think you made up your mind to not belive it no matter a link. Using 'no link' as a convenient excuse. Look up Do Rzeczy nr 46. if you want.

dr Marcin Leśniewski, Determinant for our behaviour is always wellbeing of a patient.

It matters.

Sorry, but if another poster calls you out to prove sth and you deflect in such an infantile way, it is obvious you are lying. That is a typical evasion used by liars - I read it hundreds of times here.


Yes, jon is right - stop projecting your mental problems onto him.

I have given you a weekly magazine's name and its number. If you cannot find it you have much more serius deficiency than infantile ways. As for lies, I have told you to seek help. Told you not to vent your anger on me. I have nothing to do with your mental issues.

So learn as a freshman that in this forum we provide links to sites, darling. I forgive you coz you didn`t know about it. Now you do, so a link to the article, please.

I am glad to see you stand your ground. To the leftists, nothing ever is good enough. If you had a video showing the pope and the QE2 swearing on the Bible, they would tell you it's a fake.


...and if some a-hole DA wants to drag you (editorial) to court, so be it. There is no better defense than protecting a dying human being.

He does but in a very silly way which provokes ironic compassionate smiles among old members.


No, darling, we only desire a tiny, itsy bitsy, minute link. That`s all. If we get it, we will relax. :):)

If we found a single cell on another planet, the media / politicians would plaster "LIFE found on another planet!" - but a human being with a beating heart in the womb is "not life".

Sentient life?

In dictionary definitions, sentience is defined as "able to experience feelings," "responsive to or conscious of sense impressions," and "capable of feeling things through physical senses."

A patient in a coma or under full anesthesia is "sentient life". You murder him and it's 25 to life. If you insult the jury with that "sentient life" bullsh*it, they may give you life no parole

Besides, we as a society, collectively decide what is life worth protecting - "sentient" or not. I know that in the world of perverts and weirdos, the "democratic" process is hate speech. Just ask those screaming bit*ches...They clearly prefer terrorizing 5 justices at their homes over the messiness of convincing voters.

He is tone deaf to that because it blows his liberal propaganda out of the water.
I have already explained that to him six times, Rich, but you did a much better job than I did.
Thank you.

You did fine.

I have to hand it to Ludwig for this brilliant post:

If we found a single cell on another planet, the media / politicians would plaster "LIFE found on another planet!" - but a human being with a beating heart in the womb is "not life".

...because it doesn't know how to say it hurts, mommy. Sick.

Reminds me of a South Park episode...

youtube.com/watch?v=hvuktj6ktbI

I think abortion is a necessary evil, kind of like the 2nd Amendment or jewish lawyers. If there wasn't abortion there'd be exponentially more people on government aid.

Polish women aren't as slutty as most of their western counterparts so it's only a big deal in the left leaning circles. You can still get an abortion in cases of rape, incest, health problems, etc., but not because of being a stupid slut. Various polls show that the majority of Poles believe abortion is inappropriate and should be reserved for only certain circumstances. A minority support "on demand" (the 21% most liberal of society) while 71% were against it. At the same time though, the majority supported it if the child was handicapped, it threatened mother's life, rape, incest, etc.

In 2005, a guy performed an abortion on his gf. She couldn't get one due to being 5 months pregnant at the time. She tried to give herself one, miscarry, but it didn't work out. Eventually she asked dude to kick her/step on her which did the trick. He got 40 years. She got nothing since a woman can't be charged with killing her own fetus in their state.

In your opinion, is ability to experience pain the deciding factor? Why?


I would have to assume if sentient is the deciding factor then the emotional anguish of the 700 or so people who have the condition that blocks them for feeling pain must be unimaginable.

In your opinion, is sentience about pain?

It's just another act of desperation on their part. They already lost the heartbeat debate. Now they want awareness.

Next: IQ, knowing the alphabet, and algebra.


Since you have no sentience when drunk and asleep,...

@jon357

It's about the capacity to perceive or experience feeling. In this case, what perception or feeling other than pain would we be talking about?

Why is sentience germane to aborting a human life in the womb?

So basically knowing you're there or not?

It's not. Just as it is not when you are in a coma. He is just bullsh*iting to have the last word. People like him don't know what life really is.


When you are drunk and asleep, is your GPS still telling you where you are?
Do you have more of this kind of crap or is that it?
Can you produce the full list of what conditions an unborn human being must meet to satisfy people like you?

" At most, a coma lasts for a few days or weeks. As soon as patients open their eyes, they are said to "awaken" from the coma"

scientificamerican.com/article/how-can-we-tell-if-a-comatose-patient-is-conscious/

Some ver6 good points here, on both sides of the right to choose debate.
bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/

At most, pregnancy lasts for a few months. As soon as babies open their mouths they scream and ask what's for lunch.
So now, forget the principle. It's the time of "sentience" that counts. So where is the limit? Four hours of four months?
As I said, can you produce the full list of your crap as we can deal with it all at once...