Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing

"Remand him in custody" is a better translation than "arrest" (which is zartrzymac) however whatever the translation, the decision to remand is a good one.

One political assassination is one too many. He's to know why some of them hate WOSP so much when they only do good.

Zatrzymać of course. 'Scuse the typo.

So what? Their economy has been in ruin since the Russian war. Going down the recession path and their set 'green' policies do not help. What is going to happen if you let them? They will drag Poland's economy down with them just to maintain the current level of living for Germans in Germany. I don't see, how that would benefit Poland and Poles.

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You keep talking about those funds. We don't need those funds as they are attached to such conditions that are not beneficial for Poland's economy (100% not a romantic argument, I don't see anything in my pots that you imply is there, it is rather you are 60% delusional eh?).

What would benefit us more would be equal and open access to the European market and as you can see as soon as the Polish companies took advantage of it and grew to outcompete in a free market condition their French and German counterparts the respective governments of those countries pulled their string in the EU Brussels TO IMPOSE not market limitations and rules to undercut our Polish companies. Why would they do it? Are they romantic?

Torq instead of being a delusional pen pusher you should just pay more attention to the real world.
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If that is the reality of the EU and as Jon notices it is us not them, we should make our stand and not let them walk all over us like they would do if you let them one example of that I have presented you on a silver platter. (a civil war is often more vicious than any other conflict).

There is a pattern and rhythm and a way of negation and dealing, and if you start with hey - we must give up in the end because of this or that! Who is going to take you seriously and what negotiation power do you have? None, you can use a lot of oxygen talking some slogans about friendship and cooperation and compromise but that all means nothing, and in the real world means you were a weak, stupid whiny b'tyh that can be taken for everything she got!

Got it? I mean you are not stupid, why are you so obtuse?
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Look in real life there are indeed different shades and complexities but in case you encounter sh'tt it doesn't matter what kind of grey it is, you will know by its texture and smell and its chemical content what it is.

So, slogans about middle ground, compromise need and reality, and this or that don't mean anything unless you see them properly in the context, and that seems to me you have a bigger problem with the backward context of issues that we talk about.

Some with Tusk? Who in his right mind would be content with Tusk, he is outright dangerous to the Polish interests, whereas JK is annoying and harmful in many ways to the Polish interests but to a lesser degree than Tusk, that one is obvious.

Unfortunately, there is no major power in Poland that could be trusted completely...

should be -the context of issues.

@Ironside

I've just read your post, Iron, and I see what you're saying. Seriously. I really get that point of view.

Also, I know that you are a Polish patriot and that you want only the best for Poland, and I respect you for that (you know it).

But (there's always a "but", isn't there?) I also think that you should have a little bit more trust in Germany (yes, I know it may be difficult taking the history into account and all that). I mean, for the last over 30 years our relations have been mutually beneficial. Sure, there were controversies (e.g. shipyards or mass immigration), as there are always bound to be, but all in all isn't it the time we finally stopped viewing them as our enemies? They are our allies in both economic and military terms. I have family in the countryside, and their level of life has seriously increased after our EU accession. For farmers it was a civilisational jump. Even before joining the EU, especially in the West, there were hundreds of thousands of people earning their living from trade with Germany or getting cheap farming machines there, throngs of German tourists in Świnoujście, Jelenia Góra, Gdańsk, Wrocław etc. So, both on state-level and ordinary-people level there has been co-operation to mutual benefit.

I really don't get all that Germany-EU enmity on the right side of Polish politics. WTF? Without Germany's support we wouldn't have joined the EU. Do you think it would have been better for us? Ask Serbia, Georgia or Ukraine what they think and why are they are waiting in line to join. Look, I read Gazeta Warszawska too (I have this annoying habit of reading a lot from far left to far right) but a lot of what they say is pure paranoia.

Maybe it's not a matter of positivism vs romanticism (though I think it is), maybe it's a matter of a different outlook on reality or some sort of psychological issue with trust (which, again, is to some extent understandable). I mean, what's the worst that could happen if we stay in the EU under Tusk and integrate more strongly with the Union? If we observe that it's not beneficial, then we can always opt out (remember Brexit?). However, at the moment the benefits largely outweigh the negative cost.


I am not obtuse. I simply want to believe that Poland finally has true allies. That we are not again surrounded by hostile powers but that there are countries with which we can cooperate to common benefit, and that one of those countries is, yes, Germany.

I promise you one thing, Iron. If it turns out that I was wrong, and if they f*ck us over, Tusk sells us down the river, there's another Yalta or something etc., then I will never again trust any foreigner and I will listen to you always. You will be my master Yoda for the rest of my life. Until then however...

Ok, I see that adage coined by Jan Kochanowski comes handy - mądry Polak po szkodzie.
I will say that only last thing in our exchange:
Sure working with Germans was beneficial to our economy to a point, but now it has become a burden and a drag. If we had that set on a level playing field with a market economy with clear rules - I would say there is little to lose and lots to gain. But right now rules are set against us and experience teaches us they can change the rules of the play during the play so nothing is set in stone and as such it is all S't.

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What will happen, nothing drastic, look at Greece they are surviving somehow, if we revert to the level of the 80s' and ''''90s' there is no need for Yalta. There will be no future for Poland.

While I don`t respect nazio bioys like Iron coz their patriotism is peculiar. Reminds me of 18th century Targowica traitors who were also strongly convinced that allying with Russia to prevent rotten Western ideals and ideas from spreading in Poland was a very patriotic thing to do. They achieved their aim through partitions and Poland ceased to exist.

Iron is exactly the same criminal. He and his nazio buddies won`t mind Poland ruled by the Kremlin regime as long as it is free of German influence, leftists, centrists, LGBT, refugees, minorities etc. If Russians can clean Poland of what Iron rejects, then he will gladly accept their rule.

How can I respect such a traitor??? Tfu, zaraza!

I see your obsession with strong young males you can become friends with our forum closet gays or whatever like Novi, possibly Poker, and now you, three musketeers lol1

You are not strong. You are weak mental losers troubled with multiple complexes. You have always needed a strong charismatic leader who would think for you and tell you what you should do and who to attack. Guide you, sort of, coz you can`t live or act on your own. Such leaders like Hitler or Dmowski are your heroes.

Tfu, zaraza!

It's not really fair to mention them in the same sentence, is it?

What's your problem with Dmowski? He simply thought that Germany were a greater danger to Poland than Russia (which back then was true). Why do you think there are Dmowski's streets, bridges, monuments, railway stations or at least roundabouts etc. in every major (and some not so major) Polish city? He was a patriot and one of the fathers of Poland's independence.


Why do you always have to be so radical, Pawian? Life is not black and white.

Do I? lol!
It is you who needs leaders. You are the one who is calling Tusk your Saviour, idiot. Stop projecting so much. Ah and don't try to divert attention from the fact that you are getting all excited every time you mention nazi boys here, does your wife knows about your hidden tendencies?

Ah, and calling male posters here - darlings.
I don't care about those things but my eyes had been opened those days, puzzles come together. lol!


penned up frustration, living his life as a closeted gay, it must be it.

Because there is a war in Ukraine and will be a war in Poland and I don`t have time to deal with azholes and traitors in velvet gloves like in the past. Simple.


It is in case of useless azholes and traitors.


Because Poles have a stupid tradition of naming streets after any famous Poles despite his or her contribution which can be good or bad. It is especially painful to see such streets honouring Warsaw Rising instigators like that pathetic Okulicki who was fully intent on drowning the city in blood. A landfill can be named after him, not a street.


I know you love it so I keep doing it. hahahaha

Tfu, zaraza!

Are you getting aroused while you type it? Seems like you do. Not a normal person your age would post it obsessively otherwise. I sensed something was odd about you before hence I suspected you posted a strzlec but it seems to be something else.. who would expect that? lol!

Yes, darling, we know, you are very suspicious. Like all nazio azholes. Is that one of the reasons your wife left you coz she couldn`t bear all your ungrounded suspicions???

That too? You are disgusting. yuck!

He is and all of us on this forum know it now.

We all know you are a worthless mongrel who doesn`t speak Polish and know little about Polish culture. You prey on my and other Poles and Polesses` posts here to learn about Poland - without us, you would know nothing, living a pathetic life of a mongrel in your slum sewers in GB.

That statement sums you up completely.
You believe what you want to believe because it suits your agenda.
The truth is irrelevant to you and may hurt.....
Sorry to hurt your feelings and beliefs but you are wrong yet again!

Jerzy, both of you were raised in England but Milos heritage is 100% Polish. He can speak several languages as well.

Especially Polish. hahahaha

You really are a pathetic wimp......raised in England?You must be a despicable mongrel then!

So you admit now that being raised in England by Polish parents makes one a mongrel??? Thank you. hahahaha

Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing
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