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Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing


Tacitus 2 | 876
15 Jan 2019 #1
Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk / Poland mayor, dies after stabbing
google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-46867286

It seems that Poland has lost a popular politician to a senseless murder. Is it true that there might be a political motive behind it?
Lyzko 23 | 6,651
15 Jan 2019 #2
In the wake of the Bad Kreuznach horror, what's next?
Sergiusz 6 | 27
15 Jan 2019 #3
Comments after the stabbing from certain "patriots". Disgusting..



OP Tacitus 2 | 876
15 Jan 2019 #4
Could you translate this?
Sergiusz 6 | 27
15 Jan 2019 #5
"would be great if he died.. medal and honor to the knifer.." that kind of stuff..
Lyzko 23 | 6,651
15 Jan 2019 #6
Essentially, Adamowicz is being blamed for his own demise.
cms neuf - | 994
15 Jan 2019 #7
These comments by the way are on the official fb page of Marsz Niepodleglosci - an organization some claim is a harmless display of patriotism by flag waving women and kids. Of course people have a right to free speech but I am surprised that this organization can not police itself and also that it has charitable status.
mafketis 21 | 7,393
15 Jan 2019 #8
Is it true that there might be a political motive behind it?

The charity event he was appearing at has.... not been popular with the government (to the point where government tv blurred out an image of its symbol last year)

He was yelling how the former ruling opposition party 'tortured' him after he stabbed the mayor.

He somehow had a press pass... (hmmmmmmmmmmm)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,836
15 Jan 2019 #9
RIP Pawel Adamowicz

(I hope me saying the appropriate and polite isn't seen by certain nutters as proof that he was deep in Merkel's pockets and an agent of the fourth Reich to enslave the free polish people, if so I still don't take it back...)
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
15 Jan 2019 #10
Comments after the stabbing from certain "patriots". Disgusting..

I agree.

I know Adamowicz had some skeletons in his cupboard, but there is no place for violence on the political scene, and no party should be making capital out of this brutal murder.

Whilst the sort of people making these comments are people I might ally with politically (ie right wing) , I would very much distance myself from the sentiments expressed.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
15 Jan 2019 #11
The charity event he was appearing at has.... not been popular with the government

Maybe because Jerzy Owsiak had been pocketing quite a bit of the proceeds from WOŚP...
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #12
Essentially, Adamowicz is being blamed for his own demise.

if i to be honest ,without any political bias, the system is to blame here.
i will guys tell you what i think from my perspective..i use to work with mentally ill people ,and it is mind blowing for me to learn that this guy was in prison.

before i started my work in charity,i was required to get CRB check.lasted 3 months..that it criminal record check..in the UK ,you are not allowed to work with mentally ill people without such ticket.i had job but couldn't start it for 3 months until they checked my life.

here i learn that state locked this guy with criminals. thats just stupid,cus you make illness worse,and then when such person get out,he is dangerous for everyone.

my bet,state is just cutting costs..rather than build hospital and implement rigorous security measures ,they sent one psychiatrist to prison and problem sorted.

they say"well,he had medical help there in prison"
it is not about if he had or not psychiatric help in prison....its about -environment hes in..you cant put schizophrenic together with criminals.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,732
15 Jan 2019 #13
Maybe because Jerzy Owsiak had been pocketing quite a bit of the proceeds from WOŚP...

Why on earth do you post such nonsense? Do you seriously take all your information from random Wordpress pages rather than the actual source of information?

You can find the annual accounts on the WOŚP page. Start here - wosp.org.pl/fundacja/wazne/rozliczenia - and then look at 2017 here - dobrastronainternetu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Bilans2017.pdf - and you'll see the truth.
jon357 63 | 14,149
15 Jan 2019 #14
Do you seriously take all your information from random Wordpress pages rather than the actual source of information?

Remember that these are good people that they don't like. They will make up any kind of nonsense to justify their (unoriginal) ideas.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #15
You can find the annual accounts on the WOŚP page

could i get link to similar account of"zloty melon" and "mrowka cala" pls?
mafketis 21 | 7,393
15 Jan 2019 #16
my bet,state is just cutting costs..

So I take it you support a massive tax increase to fund a system of institutions to keep the violently mentally ill off the streets.... because... I don't care how mentally ill he was, everything he was put in prison for was carefully planned...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,732
15 Jan 2019 #17
Remember that these are good people that they don't like. They will make up any kind of nonsense to justify their (unoriginal) ideas.

It's just sad to see how someone would believe in a random Wordpress page over the actual audited accounts that have been accepted.

It takes two minutes on Google to verify such information, but it says a lot about right wing supporters that they can't even be bothered to look at the actual information.
jon357 63 | 14,149
15 Jan 2019 #18
For some, boring truth is less important than random bullsh1t that helps them get all hot and bothered. They don't even believe it themselves. A trumpian post-truth mindset.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #19
So I take it you support a massive tax increase to fund a system of institutions to keep the violently mentally ill off the streets.

am not sure its that massive cost for 40 million country ,to build specialized hospital with security.am not an expert
and am not sure if there is a choice..for me locking severely mentally ill people with criminals ,is violation of human rights.
whats the alternative?locking mentally ill people in prison and making them 10 times more dangerous for society?
Jaskier
15 Jan 2019 #20
here i learn that state locked this guy with criminals

One- he was a criminal too.
Two, at that point he wasn't dignosed with anything. In prison he was judged to have behaviour problems and was seeing therapist. When things gor worse he was transferred to department for mentally ill criminals where he got diagnosed with schizophrenia and treated. After that he was deemed fit to be treated outside of psychiatric ward
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #21
Two, at that point he wasn't dignosed with anything.

no..he was at the specialized hospital at the age of 14 - for the first time.treated for paranoid schizophrenia.

When things gor worse he was transferred to department for mentally ill criminals

of course things got worse..cus you dont fkin put mental ill ppl with criminals.

where he got diagnosed with schizophrenia and treated

no..he was diagnosed 14 years ago,when he was still teenager.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #22
One- he was a criminal too.

no..severely mental ill person cannot be criminal..as cant be child or an animal.
dog can kill or 6 years old child can kill person with a gun but it cannot be deemed as criminal act since 6 years old child has no ability to understand what it did

same with schizophrenics.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
15 Jan 2019 #23
It's just sad to see how someone would believe in a random Wordpress page over the actual audited accounts that have been accepted.

There's more....kontrowersje.net/tagi/z_oty_melon

My Polish is not brilliant, but I'm sure it says something about Owsiak being found guilty eight times of breaking the law and hiding invoices...
Jaskier
15 Jan 2019 #24
no..severely mental ill person cannot be criminal..

They are criminals if they could judge the actions at the point of breaking the law. From what I read it seems he was fit to do that when he robbed the banks. And it's judged by psychiatrist and not a guy on a forum that never spoke to him
delphiandomine 83 | 17,732
15 Jan 2019 #25
My Polish is not brilliant, but I'm sure it says something about Owsiak being found guilty eight times of breaking the law and hiding invoices...

If he was really found guilty of breaking the law 8 times and hiding invoices, do you think he would be allowed to serve as the President of a foundation which collects money through the 1% of income tax system? Do you think he would be allowed to collect money openly in public?

Actually, that stuff was written by the "blogger" Piotr Wielgucki, who has been spouting all sorts of hate directed at Owsiak for years. He's notorious for making up all sorts of rubbish.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,152
15 Jan 2019 #26
My Polish is not brilliant

This is a thread dedicated to the mayor of Gdansk. I suggest you go and do one.
mafketis 21 | 7,393
15 Jan 2019 #27
no..severely mental ill person cannot be criminal..

Sorry, you're whole passionate defense of this guy (where's the sympathy for his victims?) has been destroyed. This wasn't a case of a poor mentally ill person being damaged in prison - it's a case of a criminal who chose the gangster lifestyle and carried it out until he was caught and then happened to be later diagnosed with schizophrenia (at about the age (mid 20s give or take a few years) it usually manifests itself and then kept in the type of institution you claim he should have been in except that he was let out far too soon....

His illness is in no way a justification for his murder of Abramowicz (again, carefully planned).
I don't care if he spends the rest of his life in a prison, secure mental institution or a septic tank - he has no business ever being free again....

the "blogger" [redacted], who has been spouting all sorts of hate directed at Owsiak for years

A reprehensible soulless cretin - he reminds me of a number of posters here.... He clearly wants to be famous so I suggest we don't use his name here... deprive him of the attention he craves.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,732
15 Jan 2019 #28
it's a case of a criminal who chose the gangster lifestyle and carried it out until he was caught

You only need to look at his pictures from Facebook to see that he had no problem maintaining a good physique and no problems with living an 'ordinary' life until prison.

His illness is in no way a justification for his murder of Abramowicz (again, carefully planned).

It was carefully planned and carried out. He attacked at a symbolic moment, he planned the whole murder carefully and he knew exactly what he was doing. This wasn't the act of a deranged person, this was the act of a criminal who knew exactly what he was doing.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Jan 2019 #29
quite obviously what you wrote is just result of your complete ignorance.
planning act and paranoid schizophrenia dont contradict itself..schizophrenic is still capable to plan hes actions that are results of hes paranoia.hes not some vegetable
mafketis 21 | 7,393
15 Jan 2019 #30
hes actions that are results of hes paranoia

Again the order is wrong, he wasn't a mentally ill person damaged by prison but a criminal by choice who manifested schizophrenia some time after being incarcerated (and then moved to a mental institution)

he chose a life of crime and then manifested schizophrenia - not the reverse


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