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Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023


Alien 21 | 5,154
16 Oct 2023 #631
state of democracy

What?
mafketis 37 | 10,973
16 Oct 2023 #632
He's russian... he hates the idea of people having any control over their lives and government, it all has to be dictated by the Tsar.
Paulina 16 | 4,407
16 Oct 2023 #633
According to the latest official results, with 56% of polling stations:

Those are not the latest official results lol 90 percent of results are already in:

PiS - 36,39%
KO - 29,71%
Trzecia Droga - 14,48%
Lewica - 8,41%
Konfederacja - 7,22%
Crnogorac3 4 | 888
16 Oct 2023 #634
In Slovakia, exit polls also lied in favor of pro-EU parties.

I must admit, it would be enormously humorous to me, if PiS manages to cobble together a ruling coalition through bribing and threatening a couple MPs.

Opposition leader in Poland Donald Tusk: "Democracy has won, this is the end of the PIS government."

PIS leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski: "We don't know whether the results will change and who will be in the government in the next term"


twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1713648328548696427

It means chaos. There will certainly be flyovers and token members willing to sell themselves to the highest bidder in the coming days/weeks. 😁
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #635
exit polls also lied in favor of pro-EU parties.

we already have actual results from 90 per cent of polling stations - we are not talking about exit polls anymore - so yeah PiS basically will not form the next government
mafketis 37 | 10,973
16 Oct 2023 #636
exit polls also lied in favor of pro-EU parties.

I gave you a link to ongoing official results, if you're too stupid to use it that's on you.

PiS down to 36.28
KO up to 29.85
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,016
16 Oct 2023 #637
@Crnogorac3
Stop being such an ignorant troll. Really man, you bring nothing to the fvcking table. PiS has lost, its over. Thanks for watching. Go get some gruel or whatever TF they are serving in Belgrades finest places today,
Bobko 25 | 2,166
16 Oct 2023 #638
he hates the idea of people having any control over their lives and government

Yes, an abhorrent concept.

You must not have much experience of meeting these... "people" - as you describe them.

They are no more equipped to rule themselves, than a sheep is capable of building for itself a shelter from the elements.
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #639
a ruling coalition through bribing and threatening a couple MPs.

it's not going to happen - and I'm saying it as a PiS supporter
mafketis 37 | 10,973
16 Oct 2023 #640
no more equipped to rule themselves, than a sheep is capable of building for itself a shelter from the elements

I can believe that of russians... Polish people are made of firmer timber.
Bobko 25 | 2,166
16 Oct 2023 #641
I can believe that of russians...

A place as cruel and barbaric as Russia, cannot survive unless ruled by an iron hand.

Is that right?
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #642
A place as cruel and barbaric as Russia, cannot survive unless ruled by an iron hand.

Russian people can change, I believe - I hope someone shows them the way
Novichok 4 | 8,287
16 Oct 2023 #643
I hope someone shows them the way

American LGBT nation and other woke weirdos...
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #644
I didn't have these in mind, no :P
Braveheart16 19 | 142
16 Oct 2023 #645
Very happy that at last PIS has been kicked into touch....lets hope the defeat is long lasting....not sure whether everyone will be content with Tusks coalition party but it is the best option at present and at least their policies will serve the interests of all and not those whose support is shallow and based on self insterest with no thought given to the economic future of Poland....looking forward to ammendments being made to the Abortion Act and a complete review of the PIS judiciary....tax reforms (lets not make the catastrophic mistake of introducing 2 tax policies in the same year for which Poland seems to have been the first country to do so)....and more importantly for senior government positions to be filled by qualified people who actually know what they are talking about....the only aspect of the last 8 years is the fact that Poland has lost out on many millions of zl due to the incompetence of PIS and their rather aggressive stance towards Europe and their belief that Poland can go it alone....what a joke...
amiga500 4 | 1,546
16 Oct 2023 #646
it's not going to happen - and I'm saying it as a PiS supporter

Never say never. though I agree it's s slim possibility. Anyway PiS will be in power for the next two months, and Duda will veto any stupid decision after that for the next 1.5 years.

being made to the Abortion Act

Yes I'm sure PSL will support that lolzo

.tax reforms

Yes I'm sure the neo-liberal faction of PO and Lewica will agree on the details of that \ lolzo.

aggressive stance towards Europe and their belief that Poland can go it alone.

You mean not being European Commission b*tch? I bet you like your wife/husband to whip in the bedroom too. do you put on a dog collar
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #647
and Duda will veto any stupid decision after that for the next 1.5 years.

I hope so
gumishu 15 | 6,147
16 Oct 2023 #648
..the only aspect of the last 8 years is the fact that Poland has lost out on many millions of zl due to the incompetence of PIS

would you prefer dying standing or living on your knees? (such a general remark which may soon prove be current)

between 2015 and 2021 the state earnings rose by 205 billon PLN yearly (from 290 billion to 495 billion) - now compare that to the inflation indexes during this time (I can spare you some time it was less than 35 per cent of compound inflation)

You mean not being European Commission b*tch? I bet you like your wife/husband to whip in the bedroom too. do you put on a dog collar

I meant the same thing with the dying standing or living on your knees' uttering
mafketis 37 | 10,973
16 Oct 2023 #649
place as cruel and barbaric as Russia, cannot survive unless ruled by an iron hand

No... it's the belief in the need for an iron hand that makes it cruel and barbaric.
pawian 224 | 24,693
16 Oct 2023 #650
I'm saying it as a PiS supporter

No, really??? What a surprise!!! hahahahaha

so yeah PiS basically will not form the next government

If you`re happy and you know it clap your hands! Clap! Clap! hahahaha

and Duda will veto any stupid decision after that for the next 1.5 years.
I hope so

1.5 year will pass quickly. We have waited 8 years for PiS gansters to pack their toys, we can wait 1.5 too.
mafketis 37 | 10,973
16 Oct 2023 #651
Final results? (not sure if the votes abroad are counted yet)

PiS- 35.86 %
KO - 30.28 %
TD - 14.43 %
LEW - 8.51 %
KON - 7.15 %

KO/TD/LEW = 52 % (rounding down)

PiS/KON = 43 % (rounding down)

Should be interesting to see how long PiS tries to hold on to power and how Duda will help.....
pawian 224 | 24,693
16 Oct 2023 #652
If you`re happy and you know it clap your hands! hahahaha

PiS- 35.86 %
KO - 30.28 %
TD - 14.43 %
LEW - 8.51 %
KON - 7.15 %

PIS - 196 seats. Down from 200 initially.
The opposition - 248 seats. AMASING!!!
cms neuf 1 | 1,833
16 Oct 2023 #653
So in the end a convincing defeat for PiS, a rejection of Konfederacja and looks like people just want a half normal government that is not full of fruitcakes.

Will be interesting to see the results in Eastern towns like Bialystok and Rzeszow - I think PiS is losing a grip over there
pawian 224 | 24,693
16 Oct 2023 #654
looks like people just want a half normal government that is not full of fruitcakes.

PiS can thank themselves for the defeat.
One of the reasons was their primitive boorishness and mad black propaganda towards their rivals. Reading this text you will understand who taught me to call PiS gangsters, azholes, leeches, morons, thieves, criminals. Yes, it was PiS themselves!!!

Voters said "no" to rudeness. It's worth listening to them

Bartosz Węglarczyk
Editor-in-chief of Onet
Law and Justice rightly seeks many reasons for its electoral defeat . I would like to add another contribution to this fascinating discussion: PiS has introduced such a torrent of boorishness into Polish public life that it has alienated many voters from the middle.

Insults have become the norm in this campaign. The Deputy Speaker of the Sejm, Małgorzata Gosiewska (theoretically one of the most important people in the country) believes that KO voters are traitors . The Minister of Justice talks about the "Polish-language media", which is a direct reference to traitors during World War II, and his MP candidate and social media specialist calls for murdering people exactly like traitors during the war (United Right politicians apparently have a serious problem understanding that this war is over and Virtuti Militari will not be won on Twitter). The president of the country calls his compatriots going to the cinema "swine" (i.e. traitors again, because that's what this reference is about, again from the war). Paweł Kukiz calls most voters "thoughtless" and "irresponsible" because they did not take part in the referendum (on the other hand, being called thoughtless by a politician who has a long history of thoughtless tweets is quite funny).

State television insults anyone the government does not like. The number of insults uttered on this former public television is simply unfathomable, and the host of the election night on TVP fawning over the opposition MPs only confirms how much the station's employees have lost their moral compass.

The juxtaposition of rude entries and statements with the seriousness of a government office irritated me. Mrs. Gosiewska is, however, a deputy speaker of the Sejm! After all, Mr. Ziobro is the Minister of Justice! Mr. Duda is the president of Poles, including those who go to see films the president doesn't like (even though he hasn't seen them)!

The example, as always, comes from above. Jarosław Kaczyński unleashed the demon of boorishness when he called opposition MPs "scumbags" from the parliamentary rostrum . This was a signal that the public discourse in Poland could end and the drunken brawl into which this discourse could begin.

The situation is different in the case of politicians in power, because it is the government that sets the standards of public debate. This responsibility rests with her, because behind every verbal threat and offensive word of a representative of the government there is a prospect of using the apparatus of power. When politicians from the ruling camp accuse Donald Tusk of treason, the prospect of using force against the traitor becomes real. When a politician from the party of the Minister of Justice compares the actors to Gestapo collaborators shot by the Underground State for this, the question arises: will the state also use force here? When the PiS spokeswoman says that she understands people beating people in the street, it gives a signal that it is allowed to beat people in the street because the state allows it and the state understands those who are beating them.

jon357 74 | 22,204
16 Oct 2023 #655
cobble together a ruling coalition through bribing and threatening a couple MPs

That's how democracy works. No secret, nothing underhand and all entirely normal.
Korvinus 3 | 543
16 Oct 2023 #656
wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2023/pl/sejm/wynik/gm/383

It's actually funny to check how people voted abroad. A few gems:

- "Detailed data from the 'Iraq' area has been classified at the request of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs" (same with Lebanon)
- In Russia, of course, PO won, those thieving Putin pests
- And in Belarus, of course, PiS won, these thieves and pests of Lukashenko
- Leftists won in Taiwan and Colombia.
- Konfa have almost won in Kosovo, two votes after PiS :-D
- PSL didn't win anywhere, I am very disappointed.
pawian 224 | 24,693
16 Oct 2023 #657
- PO won,

I see you still can`t deal with the defeat. Can`t you take it on the chin like a man??? :):):) Swallow it at last, your life will become less stressful. hahahaha

Go a few pages back and sit on the middle finger which I showed to Milo. It will calm you down. Milo did and relaxed at last. hahahaha
Miloslaw 19 | 5,081
16 Oct 2023 #658
Go a few pages back and sit on the middle finger which I showed to Milo. It will calm you down. Milo did and relaxed at last.

Where was that exactly?You have never been able to make me relax..... or calm down, you are nothing but a leftist troll.
pawian 224 | 24,693
17 Oct 2023 #659
PiS can thank themselves for the defeat.
One of the reasons

Another reason is they annoyed too many groups who eventually decided to vote for the opposition in order to punish PiS for their scandalous policies, incompetence and deforms:

Here are the groups in random order:

teachers
students
LGBT
farmers
doctors
bussiness people
women
EU supporters
Ukraine supporters
decent people
intelligent people

As Novi says, even one is too many. That is why PiS lost. Simple.
pawian 224 | 24,693
17 Oct 2023 #660
The biggest loser of the elections is not Konfederacja coz they have increased the number of their seats from 11 to 14/15.
It is the Left who attracted only about 8% votes, while 4 years ago it was 12%. Amasing.
Did they lose coz a few times in the past they supported PIS in passing new laws and voters were afraid they would be willing to form a coalition with PIS in the new parliament???


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