Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last.

Poland should just bring these 210 thousand or so Poles from Lithuania and 400 thousand from Belarus back to Poland if it really cares for them, it's just a matter of time before they're all assimilated mixing with the general population. A million Poles left Poland in recent years, these newcomers many young would fill their places.

Poland should get Her land back and than give those Poles choice !

The problem is that Poland doesn't want to give them citizenship. From what I gather, many of them in Lithuania and Belarus are very poor - they're not the "elite" of society. Given that Poland just got rid of lots of its underclass, it doesn't want any more!

Anyway, the Lithuanian ones can move to Poland anytime they wish - so I don't know what they're complaining about.

Vilnija are certainly not helping Polish Lithuanian Diplomacy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnija

It's sad that these problems aren't solved yet, as having noble Lithuanian heritage I am saddened by this "war".

One should really know Lithuanians and Poles aren't that much different...


Aren't you a funny guy, I hope you stay on this forum it was most amusing to read your post
;)

it did? When?

I guess it depends on what you go by, ethnically for sure.

How am I supposed to even think that Poles and Lithuanians are ethnically close?!
I was talking about day-to-days world opinion how the world is shaped how we all look out through the spyglass and see the truth etc

Poland never had any right to Vilno and after ww1 Pilsudski taking it by force cause the hate towards Poles that is understandable
Pilsudski was a great man to Polish people but not to Lithuanians, that reminds me of saying one man terrorist is another man freedom fighter.

Polish gov should apologize to people of Lithuania for occupation after ww1 start building bridges.

I only mentioned it because someone on PF said that Lithuanians are Slavs.


Wow, it looks like first time we fully agree to something.

second time you are right ;-0

Cassubian road signs in Poland:



Lithuanian road signs in Poland:



German road and communal signs in Poland:



Signs in Lithuania with Polish names visibly removed:

On the bilingual signs in Poland you see letters such as ú,š,è,ü, which don't exist in the Polish alphabet. Yet Polish graphic designers and their computers were somehow able to put them on a road sign. I find the argument that some Polish letters don't exist in the Lithuanian alphabet rather silly. Are Lithuanian graphic designers and their computers really so far behind the times that they can't tackle the staggering feat of putting a Polish letter on a road sign?


They are. EU Commissioner of Human Rights is looking into the problem:

"The Advisory Committee on the Framework Convention concluded in the case of Lithuania that the absence of bilingual public signs in certain areas was incompatible with the convention. There appeared to be a contradiction between the Law on the State Language and the Law on National Minorities which ought to be addressed."

"When visiting Lithuania recently I learned that the spelling of Polish names on passports and other official documents had became a controversial issue. However, the government in Vilnius has now submitted a proposal to parliament which, if adopted, would be seen as a constructive step towards fuller respect for minority rights."

coe.int/t/commissioner/Viewpoints/100125_en.asp

What a BS ! Absolute nonsense, why don't you go back to slagging your neighbors namely Americans and stop posting about thing you have no idea about - moron!

Just a question from an outsider....is the polish minority the same kind in Lithuania as in Germany (meaning immigrated) or are they native.

Only an autochthone minority has the official minorities rights you know....

they are native, gee BB are you taking PF posters for morons or what ?

Better don't answer :)

Umm i'm not so sure, he means native as in originally from that land they live on, Poles have been living there since the late 16th century (Polish nobility bought land) the common people moved in large number at the beginning of the 19th century, so for at least a couple hundred years. Yet no Poles are native to that land, no Polish (Slavic) tribes lived on the land that is today Lithuania, just being fair.

Ironside just go back and look at maps of Poland and Lithuania before partitions and then look at maps before unification and you will see that Poland poses some of Lithuanians lands now.

you need to stop being ignorant Ironside and look at Polish history with open mind maybe then you will stop insulting people who are right or with different opinion then you.

I have forgotten more about a Polish history than you know about it !


maps is not everything but to make things simple for you - in 1791 Kingdom of Poland and Duchy of Lithuania by the parliamentary act of their representatives become one and undivided country.


Where did you find it that incorrect information?
Poles started immigrating to Lithuania after 1387, welcomed by Lithuanian nobility, firstly into towns an later into empty land to build villages, as Lithuania was greatly underpopulated.

Even before the union, polish peasant were main reason for Lithuanian raids into the Poland territories, to capture well versed specialist in farming - as Lithuanians were not that efficient to put it mildly.

In XIX century Lithuania saw rapid de-polonization by force if anything, about 30 thousand families were forcible resettled from Lithuania to Siberia or other parts of the Russian Empire!

Obviously Lithuanians did not think so as after ww1 they choose to create their independent country away from Poland and Pilsudski did take part of Lithuania by force so Poland was an occupier. Ironside pull your head out of you’re a** and look at history objectively or maybe you cannot think for yourself so you just repeat like a parrot.

That was at the very end of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealths existence, it was a desperate move to try and save the country by uniting the people. Since the early 1700s a secret Prussian-Austrian-Russian alliance set at weakening Poland took it effects, they did as little economic trade with them as possible, no military alliances, constantly interfered in it's politics, bribing Polish and Lithuanian nobles to pick kings that would favor one of them or all. By 1791 Poland was basically a vassal state.

by 1791 Poles made a move which would change that sad state of affairs, they attempted to reform their system of government, and accepted on the 3rd day of May - Constitution !

That act in no way was an act of vassalage!


Some did, some didn't - obviously Piłsudski was Lithuanian, His name isn't a typical polish surname!
Majority of population on said territory were polish - self-determination anyone?
Soldiers in a division which reclaimed land in question, were locals, native to that land!

True, those nobles who betrayed Poland saw what exactly it's neighbors were doing to Poland united with the patriots, and passed the Constitution, but by that time it was already too late, Poland was a big but very weak state, involvement in foreign wars, little foreign trade for decades weakened the vast state, at the same time its 3 aggressive neighbors though taxing its citizens and trade, had large professional standing armies.

Subject is Lithuania :)
What Poland needed was a time to build an army, The means was there Poland wasn't poor but unfortunately neighbors also knew it!

you make me laugh, just because he was born there it does not make him Lithuanian. Pilsudski was a Pole living in Lithuania and stop rewriting history

His family was living there for 600 years, himself and genealogist agree on his family origin:)
Your ignorance is excusable but check it, please, before you will make a fool out of yourself.

It seems that Lithuanian government is blind.

What is worse, they are lying.

What for?


thenews/international/artykul142474_lithuania-hits-back-over-polish-minority-allegations.html

Ironside you are stubborn monkey you cannot rewrite history to fit your point or lies so please if he was Lithuanian then his last name would be different and would not be polish marshal. To use your logic that he was Lithuanian as he was born there, he was actually born in Russia.

He was a Polonized Lithuanian nobleman just like 99% of the nobility around Lithuania/Belarus/Ukraine. They all embraced polish culture.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C5%82sudski_family

Lithuanians polonized on their own not by force, Lithuanian nobility admired their Polish counterparts, as Poland was the wealthier and stronger military of the two, thus having more influence, the Lithuanian nobles over time became more Polish than Polish nobles, clothing, music, food, faith everything.

That must be Crow ;)


Piłsudski just as his followers (many of them living in Wilno (Vlinius) were fighting for an restoration of the old commonwealth. an National state of Lithuania wasn't in their mind at all, and thinking that Wilno (Vilnius) would be not in the commonwealth was UN-THINKABLE.

Not to make things worse he ordered his troops to stay at Wilno (Vilnius) and NOT take over ALL of Lithuania. As he didn't want to be seen as an occupant (sadly mission failed)

One got to remember that until 1926 it wasn't him being an dictator yet.


Sorry to blow up your mind but Poland has only recently become a national state! Somehow get it into your head Poland has had foreign kings, and an "foreign" dictator!